Climate change is 'faster and more extreme' than feared

Papabear stole your analogy to candyland Mr. Kite!

As papabear related, GHG convection makes cold spots in Alaska's mountain ranges and of course if you get elevation high enough it becomes snow.

What JanforGore is trying to demonstrate is the fact that the North Polar Cap has receded by half (almost two thirds) from 1979 to 2007.

If anything the pictures and media loop show that. This isnt an optical illusion. This is real loss, and as you can see, a great amount from the Russian side of the Arctic Circle.

As JanforGore has stated, this evidence is backed up by agencies including NASA. This was not concocted by Al Gore as some may have been telling you. Mr. Gore collected all of this from factual evidence backed up by scientists and verifiable data from agencies.

This is not a dream. It is not caused by the Sun, or by Gnomes making tunnels to candyland. It is backed up by TONS of verifiable evidence.

ALL A LOAD OF PANIC OVER NOTHING REALLY. AND IF THERE IS A PROBLEM JUST GET RID OF SOME FISH THERES LOADS OF EM KNOCKING ABOUT ANYWAYS, GET RID OF THE FISH LOWER SEA LEVELS LAWS OF DISPLACEMENT.... SOLVED.!! ALSO ICE TAKES UP MORE ROOM THAN WATER SO WOULDNT SEA LEVELS DROP???

I miss George Carlin

well, I think that it would be hard to deny that something is happening to our glaciers. Now we just need to move from denial to action. It may b too late, but some effort is better than none at all

This isn't the seventies.

Didn't they claim there would be another ice age in the seventies?

I'm not arguing one way or the other. I posted an article regarding a study done that shows that climate change is accelerating faster and far beyond the IPCC's assessment. It is the RATE and PACE of change that is now so urgent. We cannot catch up in time to even begin to mitigate this if all people want to do is bitch about the cause. It is also simply COMMON SENSE that we should mitigate the gases that are known to cause the Greenhouse Effect and pollution of our air, land, and water. And all anyone has to do to see the effects of global warming/climate change is indeed to open their eyes and look at the world and the temperature trends that all point up. You don't have to be a scientist in order to read a report and understand it. You don't have to be a scientist to look and study the trends of a specific area and notice the changes to it. The extent and pace of this is unprecedented and hitting an area of the world that holds the climate balance to this planet. And that is obvious from trends studied and made public by science. And THAT is the main point of this. Even 80% by 2050 is not good enough based on the pace of this. But as always, the conversations about this always get sidetracked to the same BS. Just like what we get from this government regarding this crisis ... BS.

Sweet, I always wanted to live at the beach. Now I won't have to move.

the government can careless about the environment, it is only our duty to stop global warming and fight back against fossil fuels...There are already ways to conserve the environment, but can we make the whole world do such duty?

I think it's mildly ridiculous that all us here are trying to argue for and against a scientific phenomenon (not meaning its a simple, single event) while probably few to none of us have any major background in environmental studies. I don't think by saying "just look at the picture" we can necessarily determine the temperature trends of the last few hundred years - we are not scientists. While, yes, we aren't stupid either, only data and research results are appropriate here to serve as persuasive one way or the other.

Just saying one is either ignorant or gullible because of not believing or believing in global warming' impacts (respectively), does not serve as a good way to explain any of this topic. Just "having an opinion" on scientific fact is futile any way as, unless it can be argued against scientifically and logically, research and data is indeed fact and not true depending upon how many people believe it. Belief is not required in the existence of scientific phenomena, only objective and observed data.

So by saying, "this is why I think all of this is happening" is inherently ignorant as, without any proof, data, or research, it doesn't provided any reasoning towards the causes or effects of global warming.

each side of the debate has plenty of data supporting their cause. proponents of man made global warming will point to increasing levels of CO2 and the increase of temperatures seen in the last few decades with the exception of this last decade in which temperatures have actually gone down. skeptics of man made global warming will point to a pattern of warming and cooling that has been proven throughout the earth's history. personally i believe the earth is able to regulate itself and any contribution man has had on climate change has been minute. i believe the cause has more to do with solar activity and energy levels in the galaxy, but hey that just me. if looking at other data besides an inconvenient truth makes me ignorant then call me ignorant all you want.

History tells us that hundreds of years ago, explorers were looking for the mythical northwest passage.
It must have been there at some point, or where did the myth come from?
The myth is becoming a fact. Several years ago, I read a report that said a northwest passage would be here by 2025.
Surprise! We'll have one in a couple of years.
Also, as the climate changes, our once fruitful bread basket, the mid-west, is going to go the way of the dinosaurs.
Where will we be then? No food, no water. Chaos.
Australia is under an unprecendented drought and fires have consumed thousands of acres and homes.
The glaciers in the Andes are melting at an extreme rate. Farmers have depended on the slow ice melt for centuries to water their crops. What will they eat when the glacier is gone?
Climate change has happened over the 4-6 billion years this earth has been in existence. Rapid change, such as from a catastrophic happening have killed off life forms a couple of times.
Once, the oceans lost 90 percent of all life.
The rapid change that we are experiencing, is because of man. It's that simple.
The altered landscapes, the damming of rivers, the air pollution, all contribute.
It is a fact that by damming or diverting major rivers, such as the Yangsi (?) that the earth has actually slowed in it's rotation. Not so you would notice in your day to day living, but what impact does that have on global weather patterns?
Think about it...

I guess we should of listened to the Hippies and flower children of yester year, And took heed to what they're advise (at least listen to what they had to say). Now we all look and sound like Go green hippies.

I wish America would take the lead in cutting back green house gases, considering we are the number one offending country. This is about the only global issue we are not trying to take over!

It is only propaganda in your own mind like everything else it seems. As I stated, post your own data. Al Gore got the data in that movie from SCIENTISTS, whereas you apparently pulled yours out of your ass. And I am NO politician and I as well as many others and many scientists around this world are saying we must act now. And that has been known for the last THIRTY YEARS.

A good rule of thumb to tell when a politician is bullshitting you is when they say "Somthing MUST BE DONE" or "We MUST ACT NOW."

That usually means they want you to surrender your money or liberty or both.

I don't think it's so much about hatred for Al Gore more than it is about the solution being a global tax on carbon.

You can go on and on about the Inconvenient Truth but how are we to believe that movie when it is known propaganda.

That's the silliest thing I've ever heard of and that is his solution. You can watch him saying it on C-SPAN.

Same old BS soundbites. POST SOME DATA for a change instead of rhetoric about snow. This isn't only about warming. Climate CHANGE refers to changing weather patterns and temperatures that don't only include HEAT but COLD as well in places not used to experiencing it. Places not used to rain getting floods. Places that need rain that have gotten it for centuries all of sudden seeing pervasive and more sustained drought. Places that get snow for the first time or hurricanes for the first time.These are conditions that affect growing food of any kind, affect economies, affect the way of life and traditions of endemic peoples and their homes, and also causes water scarcity and soil evaporation.

So you can' t address FOOD without addressing THIS.

Good Lord, no wonder this Earth is up shit's creek with people in it so absolutely ignorant about what they speak about. ON THE WHOLE the Earth's temperature has risen which has caused unprecedented ... again, UNPRECEDENTED sea ice melt in the Arctic, thus causing warmer ocean temperature THERE which in turn melts more ice thus making it harder to refreeze in winter months. The Arctic is the MIRROR of the planet, so you can show me a video of it snowing in Kenya, but you just made the point! ERRATIC AND CHANGING WEATHER PATTERNS. How much food do you think could be grown in Kenya if it became colder and snowy? This melting in the Arctic even causing ONE DEGREE change in the climate BALANCE of the planet can bring snow to Kenya!.,,Or WARMTH TO THE ARCTIC.

It can get us to the point where even the jet stream shuts off thus propelling Europe into an ICE AGE. I don't think you have heard anyone just refer to climate CHANGE as just warming. Even Al Gore in An Inconvenient Truth spoke of the Ice Age that could occur in Europe if the jet stream were to shut off due to the melting of ice causing freshwater to mix with salt water to interfere with the ocean conveyor belt.
Don't then sit there posting this stuff thinking you are posting something I or others do not already know.

Perhaps if some of you weren't so consumed with hatred for Al Gore or have such political diahhrea, you could look at this from a perspective that is human and moral. THE EARTH ON THE WHOLE IS WARMING, though yes, there are places experiencing unusual weather which is a clear indication of climate CHANGE. So are we now to waste more time debating this situaiton because some are just too pigheaded to understand the big picture? Of course we are because this is America.

I wish they'd just focus on taking the poisons out of the water, stop deforestation and stop the GMO foods.

Let's tackle that and let the climate do what it has done for billions of years: CHANGE!

You know, originally I was going to vote this down because i didn't really see this as news (thinking that there was a general acceptance on current about climate change), however because of the anti-rationalists like maasanova. I've decided to vote this up.

These cold snaps are why we had to start using CLIMATE CHANGE over GLOBAL WARMING!

But it IS the general overall WARMING that causes the problems in the first place!

Idiots like Glenn Beck, RU$H Limbaugh, and $ean Hannity that take EVERYTHING LITERALLY forced us into saying CLIMATE CHANGE!

It is WARMING in ONE AREA...Say Newtok on the Alaska Coast that is losing 68 feet of permafrost a year from the coastline forcing the village to MOVE because ocean waters have become too warm...that CAUSES evaporation and overcasting over GLACIERS that cause COLDER TEMPS and MORE SNOWFALL! That is the problem with the Sitak River. MORE PRECIPITATION from the WARM COAST causes MORE SNOW TO FALL OVER THE GLACIERS! This will cause a 'blip' or a COLD Winter in some areas...

But it Does NOT negate the overall affects of GLOBAL WARMING!

Real simple Meteorology!

i also vote upon seeing visual proof. as you say, only a small group of paid for thugs would vote against obvious pictures being presented.

as said in christianity, if the blind lead the blind then they both fall into pit!

It is a shame that because a minority report consisting of Blog Warriors that are getting paid to actually vote this down because individuals do not LIKE the messenger, Al Gore!

If these same people were around during the lifetime of Copernicus, and they did NOT like him, we would swear the sun still revolves around the earth!

good i think natural disasters are a good thing
i know people die and all that bad stuff but there are too many people anyways so hell, if the earth wants to kill a bunch of us off i am fine with it

i would probably think differently if i were the one getting hit by hurricanes but I'm not...

at least not yet

i really hope the EU takes charge on this because it looks like no one else is serious about making changes.

If you cannot tell from a visual image that you actually see right here then you are living in a dream world as well!

Voting down proof like this is cutting off your own nose to spite your face. Either that or you are just blind.

Only in THIS nation does anyone require any MORE proof of Climate Change. That is because we have conservative shills with shrill tongues trying to downplay it every day! THEY have even wrote books on it being a hoax while they get paid BIG BUCKS by oil companies and hedge funds to shoot their mouths off every day! Every VOICE you hear on Conseravative Radio either IS a MILLIONAIRE or are ON THEIR WAY TO BEING ONE!

The REST of the WORLD ACCEPTS THESE FACTS!...They are ONLY DISPUTED in THIS NATION that has followed BACKWARD policies over the LAST 8 YEARS!

Gaia is developing a temperature in response to an infection.

...as this planet zooms through the Universe...estimated at one million miles a day....it is such a delicate balancing act to maintain a position that allows for a climate that is fundamental for life as we know it to exist....these are things way beyond mankinds.... to borrow a political talking point.....pay grade....to argue over whether climate is like a pendulum is useless....and to not understand the devastating effect that humans have had on this glorious planet is absurd....I am very thankful to all of you like Jan that care so much about what you will leave to those coming behind you....and I see all those that act like they are trying to sell you snake oil....there have always been cavemen and spacemen on this planet....nothing has changed.....you may get hot..and you may get cold....you will start young..and you will grow old.....its the greatest show in the Universe....respect it...Golden Ruler.....Will......

2007 was the coldest in a decade. When has the climate not changed? 1000 years ago Greenland was in fact green. Australia has been suffering record severe winters. It is the Greenies claim that it is GLOBAL.

Mother Nature does not seem to appreciate the inertia of human folly.

Will we adapt to a hotter earth? I guess that's the big question, because so little seems to be happening.

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It would appear not many are even willing to do what is necessary as far as holding global governments' feet to the fire to do something now, and those who do by protest are dismissed. Either people believe it is already too late in order to absolve themselves from doing anything; or people think it is too big a task for them; or some think Obama will save the day by waving his magic wand; or some are just too damn comfortable to care; or some think it isn't happening at all; or some are just making too much money off of it to move any further. We only have until next year to truly get serious. After that, who knows. And that is my opinion based on reading these reports. I suppose it actually will have to take a catastrophe of immense proportions to wake the world as a whole up to what we have done and are doing. I just don't know how many more ways there are to say it anymore.