Green | December 30, 2008 | 25 comments

This is the 65MPG car that Ford won't sell in the US

kcfoxie
YouTube pulled the full version. This is the Fiesta that Ford says can't sell in the US. This is likely the best part of the review; Jeremy takes it out with the Royal Marines on a beach assault. Yes, he takes a subcompact filled with marines out on a field test.

Granted he was driving the 1.6L TSVT gasoline model, the 1.6L ECONetic DIESEL emits so little CO2 you pay no UK road taxes on it. Somehow, I think if it is that clean in the emissions department, it can pass BIN5 Tier2 for the US.

I'd write for and demand they sell this vehicle. It's not that small, and given the uprise in Versa/Golf/Fit/Aveo sales lately, this would be the right car at the right time.

Hell they could use the Top Gear episode as the advertising for it. I think it would work!
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  • vixen0078
  • Dr_Dank_Thumb
  • HaloedGriot
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      HaloedGriot  
    • Ford = full of shit. Aren't they the same clown asses who close to 100 years ago conspired with Standard Oil to oust Rudolph Diesel's proposals for efficient alternative fuel sourced vehicles? Ford also had a hand in building freeways all over the country, putting mass transportation on the backburner and destroying the trolley car rail system in Los Angeles and most of the major cities of the U.S...

      If you supply the market with 20mpg SUVs, then guess what the majority of Americans will buy? 20mpg SUVs!! Why does Bush bail out these clowns? Well, first thought is, so that people buy the low efficient cars, buy the high priced gas and line his slimy reptile pockets...I bet after he steps out of office on January 20th, gas climbs back to nearly $5 a gallon.

    • 3 years ago
  • kcfoxie
  • asherp
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      asherp  
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    • Here is the online Email Form to fill out for customer Feedback.

      And the address and phone to call or write to:
      From inside the U.S.:
      Chevrolet
      P.O. Box 33170
      Detroit, MI 48232-5170

      From inside the U.S.:
      1-800-222-1020

    • 3 years ago
  • intelligenceisacurse
  • bedeboop
  • Wraak
  • kreddig
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      kreddig  
    • Exactly haijak, Americans have some profound unfounded hate for diesel, unless it's for a truck! Besides Americans really dont want hybrids anyways... It's either electric or nothing; that what i say!

    • 3 years ago
  • asherp
  • haijak
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      haijak  
    • They don't expect to sell any because it is a diesel, not a hybrid. Us stupid Americans won't buy diesel.

      I would, but I grew up with parents that drove two diesel Mercedes. My father still drives his 23 years later. Diesels are fantastic. Unless you want a sports car. even I will admit, they don't make great 0-60 times.

    • 3 years ago
  • kcfoxie
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      kcfoxie  
    • haijak:

      Take a gander at the 0-60 in 6 second 335d from BMW. New for 2009, this diesel gets 36MPG from a twincharged 6-cylendar diesel engine that accounts for over 40% of european sales of BMW models. How's that for quick?

    • 3 years ago
  • haijak
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      haijak  
    • haijak:

      That is certainly sporty! I'm impressed for a 4door that gets 33/gallon of diesel, but it's gasoline twin does it in 5.6 seconds.

      Most sports cars do it in less than 5 seconds. A handful in less than 4 seconds. It's 50% slower than those.

    • 3 years ago
  • maisry
  • AveryMoore
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      AveryMoore  
    • maisry:

      maisry writes,

      "Why can't they sell it [diesel Fords] in the US?"

      Good question!

      Two likely reasons.

      1/ They can, but since they own the politicians, why bother? Having been awarded government largess while ignoring both profit motive and customer demand (to sell Value) they cannot now be compelled to sell the same vehicles that Europeans demand. Europeans obviously constitute a tougher market. Feel insulted yet?

      2/ They own the politicians. As long as we have CAFE standards reflecting a technological Jurassic mindset, ['pollution? what's that?'] AND heavily subsidized oil companies, who with Washington's express consent and connivance can buy and suppress innovation - where is the incentive to modernize going to come from?

      Scheduling hybrid development only in MEXICO? Thus arbitrarily bumping up the costs to deliver the product across America? What a farce!

      Priceless. That pretty much demonstrates how much the auomaker\oil cartel cares about the country that made them rich.

    • 3 years ago
  • kcfoxie
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      kcfoxie  
    • maisry:

      Avery, to be fair I think that due to the AWU, it is cheaper to build the hybrid cars in mexico where the wages are cheaper and you've got more eager workers than to attempt to build it in the USA under AWU salary.

    • 3 years ago
  • AveryMoore
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      AveryMoore  
    • maisry:

      kcfoxie writes,

      "Avery, to be fair I think that due to the AWU, it is cheaper to build the hybrid cars in mexico where the wages are cheaper and you've got more eager workers than to attempt to build it in the USA under AWU salary."

      Amazing. That's your idea of "Fair"? And where are Honda and Toyota hybrids built? Terra del Fuego? Or the American South?

      kcfoxie, to be at least as Fair, I think you're a nice Republican stalwart and coincidentally – too full of evangelized neo-con dogma to think straight.

      Of course it's cheaper to build cars in Mexico. And cheaper still in Africa. Who said otherwise? What you persist in ignoring is the corruption and systematic destruction of the US as an economic superpower. Instead you focus entirely on products which superficially seem cheap to consumers.

      If it tanks the unions, then it's all good by you, and you look no further. Is that it?

      Not so elsewhere, is it? KIA Motors wants to sell cars to India – what does India tell them to do? Build factories in India, hire locals, or stay the hell out.

      It's the same in Japan, Europe, China. You want to sell products in their countries and compete in their markets – you build factories in-country and hire locals. You want market share you pay what they demand. Sure, you can sneer at economic nationalism as much as you want but they haven't boxed themselves in as perpetual losers, and they aren't facing the same ludicrous future we are.

      Our economic strategy? We just can't dis-employ Americans fast enough to satisfy neocons and big business, can we? Why else do you think we have NAFTA? Who benefits most from the proposed Super Corridor? You? And who will pay for it? YOU.

      Who will benefit most from off-shoring jobs? Do you imagine it's a majority of Americans hugely profiting from “trickle down” theology? Look around. For 8 years that pipedream policy has failed, the economy has yet to hit bottom, and you want more of the same?

      The benefit for Americans? Massive trade deficits, capital flight, social instability, a year long undeclared recession, imminent national panic, and a growing prospect of creating another paranoid third world junta - right here.

      Our policies are pure economic poison and for promoting them we are a global economic laughingstock. As with any junta, benefits are far too few to warrant the sacrifices they demand. Hence the global lack of trust in our politicians, our economy and the future solvency of our state.

      Look around. Each year millions more are jobless, not just autoworkers, and year after year, despite nicely fluffed statistics - it doesn't stop. Result? This in an economy where national disposable income is a joke. Your implied solution? Worsen the problem to cheapen prices. Meaning employ (and thus subsidize) Chinese, Indian, South American or European economies, to ensure that Americans who can afford it can get a wide range of marginally cheaper products and business tycoons can fatten themselves.

      The actual cost? A steady downward spiral of trade imbalances which further erodes our flat-lined economy. Revenue streams normally available for everything else, streams based on consumer confidence, including car and home loans - thus evaporate. The banks, looking at the real economy, tell us, 'Loans? Forget loans until we can assess how deep this hole is.'

      Add that to your equation and analyze what the results are for this country in ten years. Or five. Bottom line: Are you in any doubt whatsoever as to what these lunatic ideological fantasies have done to the nation's wealth?

      And this crap about “more eager workers”? Hilarious! What creativity! You conflate off shore's near slave labor working conditions to greater eagerness to manufacture products?

      Any pretense that you were even in the ballpark of FAIR is gone. If this is your idea of “fair” I think you'll feel much more at home adding your views to the choir of sycophants at FOX Noise..

    • 3 years ago
  • bedeboop
  • ocanada
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      ocanada  
    • If we know it will take 350 million why don't we make this a part of the bailout deal talks in march of next year? Perhaps it takes 700 million to make those jobs in the U.S. not mexico. Right now that seems worthwhile to me. I think this is an investment we should make if for no other reason than to kick ford in the behind and show thme that yes inovation can sell and sell well.

    • 3 years ago
  • aswift1
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      aswift1  
    • If Ford wants to be bailed out, they better promise to sell this car in the U.S. There had better be a damn good reason why they weren't from the get go. Maybe they'd be better of financially if they had sold it here... what a gip!

    • 3 years ago
  • lj111
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      lj111  
    • with all the emissions that would have to be added for the car to sell in the US, the mileage would be that much different.

    • 3 years ago
  • kcfoxie
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      kcfoxie  
    • lj111:

      Not really. It's co2 output is lower than a prius as is. Ford has to only deal with nox: add another catalytic converter and your done. The clean diesel vas saw a modest 2mpg drop with clean exhaust and a 40hp bump in power from the last generation of diesel engines.

    • 3 years ago
  • kcfoxie
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      kcfoxie  
    • According to wikipedia they'd need to sell 350,000 units per year to warrant the $350M investment into the Mexico facility to make the ECONetic motors for the US. Seems like that's a worthwhile investment, but that means it would need to account for 8% of total US sales based on the 2005 figures I found online (just over 3M vehicles sold).

    • 3 years ago
  • pjacobs51
  • asherp
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