Green | December 31, 2008 | 47 comments

Bush White House grants mining on native lands

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What nerve!! This is one of several controversial last-minute calls by the Bush administration which don’t bode well for the president’s environmental legacy.
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47 comments // Bush White House grants mining on native lands

  • twohawks
  • Chuck_st_chuck
  • peterhaas
    • 0
      peterhaas  
    • Chuck_st_chuck:

      Hey,Chuck_st_chuck,please read my comment in reply to Sillywabbit,for I suppose,your mail for me should have been addressed to him.Some sort of miscommunication,I suppose.Greetings from Holland.A great 2009 to you too.

    • 3 years ago
  • peterhaas
  • Chuck_st_chuck
  • peterhaas
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      peterhaas  
    • Chuck_st_chuck:

      Chuck_st_chuck:how credulous can you get!Do you really think,this is a new,altruistic Bush,who thinks of job-opportunities for the natives,thus helping them?Besides,I don't understand your reasoning.Suppose,you have got more than one car,and you have not used one of them for,let's say,a year.So haven't done anything with it in that year.Now you really mean to say it's ok to steal that car from you?Altruism?Greed!Helping?Stealing!

    • 3 years ago
  • sillywabbit
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      sillywabbit  
    • Chuck_st_chuck:

      Raised fucking Catholic. No wonder you're so callous.
      And if they don't want the jobs or the destruction of their land, what then? I guess they'll just hire some more Catholic-raised illegal immigrants to come and rape the land right from under their noses.
      Pueblo - really? What's in that shit hole that keeps you busy?

    • 3 years ago
  • peterhaas
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      peterhaas  
    • Chuck_st_chuck:

      Hi,Sillywabbit,are you talkin' to me?I'm not the one who's callous here.And who was raised Catholic?Defenitely not me,I was raised Protestant,but shed off religion ages ago.And Bush?Don't think so.So you must be talking about yourself.O well,whatever,it's not that important.The story just struck me,just weeks before the change Bush-Obama.Made me wonder,that's all.Have a great and healthy 2009.

    • 3 years ago
  • twohawks
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      twohawks  
    • Chuck_st_chuck:

      Yeah, I'd rather have a job from someone who raped and pillaged our people and the land we love and hold sacred while it further destroys our cultural heritage and the water supply to the 'reservation' we have been cordoned off to from what was once our free open territories - to be shared by all...,
      ...than maintaining potable (and even enough) water for our people, crops and land, and the preservation of the sanctity of our lifestyle and sacred cultural heritage that supports the root of our people -

      yeah, I'll buy that when our neighboring US Citizens are willing to accept the same... like that would ever happen...

      I bet if a Jew discovered oil beneath, say, the vatican, or a Catholic did beneath the Dome of the Rock, etc... there would be "natural global support" to keep those 'sacred places' (to those people - each to their own) unharmed, preserved, and respected ...just as it is most anywhere else (where it is not about ethnic cleansing, overthrow of another country, etc kind of thing)... availability of a job with the oil developer [who's screwing you] notwithstanding...

      ...do you think? ...do you feel? ...do you feel others or only yourself? (question[s] not pointed at the poster, but everyone, including myself)

      I really appreciate the spirit of what Robroy said in that phrase "don't stop fighting ... the fight that is rightfully yours." Since the elders have been crossing over many feel they are left in a void... many carry on traditions, but many feel injured in their spirited understanding and feeling held by their culture...
      ...but it is a new world being born, and we are a great part of what it is to become, if we choose to be...
      I say John Lennon had it right, we can choose to fight 'the establishment" (as he referred to it) in a war-like manner, but the establishment have long experience and are masters of war... but they know nothing of the power of peace.. the power of fighting with peace. They simply don not understand it, and indeed it scares them.
      I feel we do well to be constant in heart-mindfulness of peace, and let the magic of our being unfold from there. One of our elders, I believe it is/was Dan Evehema of the Hopi, said "There is a river flowing now very fast. .... The time for the lone wolf (world) is over. Gather yourselves! Banish the word struggle from you attitude and your vocabulary. All that we do now must be done in a sacred manner and in celebration. We are the ones we've been waiting for."

      Personally I would rather pray and celebrate life out of cherishment of what is sacred to me, than kill life out of fear of what I do not understand. I do not wish to feed fear, in myself, my family, or my community.
      I challenge anyone to start here, as do I challenge myself, to fight that fight... to find and maintain peace, and sustain that, in your heart and your mind.. and of course, in your own way. (And then see where this river takes us should we choose not be flailing in it in fear.)

      HTH

    • 3 years ago
  • peterhaas
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      peterhaas  
    • I don't think a war will be necessary to make these ridiculous threats go away.I still think that there are rather sane people enough,even in this gouvernment,to solve these problems.But it would be a blessing,if we could sent Bush away to some nice,secluded place for the remaining time of his presidency.

    • 3 years ago
  • Nancyf
  • peterhaas
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      peterhaas  
    • What is this?!Another attempt to leave Obama with a nightmare legacy,just like his plans for oil-drlling off the Californian coast.?Or just some kind of 'convulsions',by a dementing megalomaniac.Besides,can he just do this?Don't the natives have certain unalienable rights and doesn't the state of California have rights to stand in his unholy way?

    • 3 years ago
  • Robroy1
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      Robroy1  
    • Don't stop fighting Mokawnation fight for what is rightfully yours. You are not a terrorist in more peoples eyes than you imagine. More and more Americans are becoming aware that the Greed of the American corporations. This Greed has turned them into the terrorists and more and more people are willing to fight. It is a long and slow process but it is happening and this President has raised the worlds awareness of just how Greedy and Dishonest and Untrustworthy a government can be to the extent of killing innocent people for its own self Greed. Keep fighting the good fight, you have more help than you think.

    • 3 years ago
  • wanamoka
  • sillywabbit
  • dariusvons
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      dariusvons  
    • so what keeps ME from claiming land like this, I mean since sombody must have it in order to be selling it... how can I claim this land?

    • 3 years ago
  • TranceSendDance
  • LakeCo
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      LakeCo  
    • The exploitation of Native Americans and their land is a tragedy but this particular case is not a race matter; these are greedy capitalists exploiting nature and federal loopholes for their own benefit - they would destroy Mount Rushmore and the Statue of Liberty if profitable! I recommend the tribe(s) lock them up in federal and local court for a couple of years, create zoning laws for all sacred ground!! As for the terrorist comment - violence will solve nothing! These battles are won by affecting bottom line profits and time!

    • 3 years ago
  • Ragan
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      Ragan  
    • He is trying to throw the screws to OBama. Bush still has a couple of weeks, he just may declare all Americans including The president elect as terrorists and order them imprisoned in those Haliburton built prisons. After all Congress hasn't lifted a finger or mouthed an objection to date. So he has a blank check to place all of us under arrest.

    • 3 years ago
  • Dmitri_Molotov
  • cerealforeal
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      cerealforeal  
    • Can't they sue them for mass amounts of money? Actually can't they sue the American government anyways, at any time they want to, to regain their land back? From what I know, and if the Indians get a good enough lawyer, they can sue the American government for a shit load of land and money. They need to start doing so asap.

    • 3 years ago
  • TheDodge
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      TheDodge  
    • You will never see Bush punished. It's not a crime! The Clintons got away with a bunch of crap before they left and nothing was done. And nothing will be done now!
      Now maybe just maybe we need to stop these lame duck presidential moves by making them illegal. That would take legislation to be brought forth and passed. See if you can get Pelosi to get that done in the next 4 years. Ha...good luck

    • 3 years ago
  • Ayahuasca2012
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      Ayahuasca2012  
    • This is total and absolute bullshit!

      Stop trying to further rape and pillage the Native American people.

      I hope to one day see Bush severely punished for his crimes...

    • 3 years ago
  • neyona
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      neyona  
    • In case the Native Americans haven't been screwed over and over enough he wants to add to it? Maybe the only way him and Cheney get off is by squashing people. They seem to have no actual morals, and no respect for humans. Lives are cheap in their eyes.

    • 3 years ago
  • cottenpicker
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      cottenpicker  
    • as if he hasn't done enough damage to this country and its people. now he opens up mining in lands that are scared to our people. when will this country stand up and unite. bush should be tried for war crimes. he is just as bad as hussian was. maybe the arabs should hunt his ass down and try him and hang his ass.

    • 3 years ago
  • aswift1
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      aswift1  
    • why should bush care? it's not like native land serves him in any way...

      this sucks. it sucks that Obama is inheritting such a huge effing mess that he probably won't have as much attention as he would like to give to matters like this... sigh.

    • 3 years ago
  • wmorrison13
  • chicaalmodovar
  • Ragan
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      Ragan  
    • This guy needs to be locked up and put on display as a total mutated ass. The world and Ammerica needs to fear this jackass as long as the American people do nothing to sink him. I read where he is 21st o the list of tyrants, I believe that he shoulld be up there with Stalin, Hitler and Ivan the terrible. His whole administration, Condi, Dicky, Rummi are a menace to society and they will probably become more active now with Kissinger, Brizinski. Thewe people live from war and make billions financing wars. Read or better yet watch the videos on You Tube about the beginning ot the Rothschild dynasty's. Get smart.

    • 3 years ago
  • dariustwin
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      dariustwin  
    • Yeah, given that there are individual treaties with each of these indian nations, can they do this? Isn't this like passing a resolution condemning another nation's policies? Does the US government have jurisdiction?

    • 3 years ago
  • marshuck
  • NoGodsNoMasters
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      NoGodsNoMasters  
    • marshuck:

      Ok so if reservations are considered federal then the government can do whatever they want with that land whenever they want?

      I thought federal law doesn't apply on that land, just tribal law.

    • 3 years ago
  • mikeyletchero
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      mikeyletchero  
    • He's already going after wildlife reserves too, so this doesn't surprise me one bit. He's a drunken retarded cowboy, and the US government is his gun.... It was only a matter of time before he started shooting down bald eagles.

    • 3 years ago
  • NoGodsNoMasters
  • twohawks
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      twohawks  
    • NoGodsNoMasters:

      Link provided obtained by Googling
      indian reservations federal jurisdiction peabody

      "The Indian Mineral Leasing Act of 1938 (IMLA) provides that "[u]nallotted lands within any Indian reservation," or otherwise under federal jurisdiction, "may, with the approval of the Secretary [of the Interior (Secretary)] ... , be leased for mining purposes, by authority of the tribal council or other authorized spokesmen for such Indians." 25 U. S. C. § 396a. The 1M LA aims to provide Indian tribes with a profitable source of revenue and to foster tribal self-determination by giving Indians a greater say in the use and disposition of the resources on their lands."

      What a fracking crock, eh?

      also
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_reservation
      ...cnnot believe there is not a whole lot more there.

      Check this also:
      http://www.answers.com/topic/indian-reservation-2

      I hope more people up this.
      And I hope Obama has a heart-mind to look toward this relationship in our nation and its history.

      So much to say...

    • 3 years ago
  • marshuck
  • vixen0078
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      vixen0078  
    • My question is WHY? Is he just trying to make as huge of a mess as he possibly can? It reminds me of my middle son sabotaging his brother's toy so his brother couldn't use it.

      Could someone please enlighten me? Someone with a brain, preferably, please.

    • 3 years ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • Obama end it? According to this article he can but may not due to having to worry about the economy. What a cop out. And Ken Salazar as his head of the Interior is a friend of mining. So I don't place much hope in this being reversed. Though again, it would be nice to be proven wrong.

    • 3 years ago
  • aswift1
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      aswift1  
    • JanforGore:

      try to imagine having enough time to tackle everything that is fucked up about this country... wouldn't you say the economy is one of the most important things at this time?

      that and the environment...

    • 3 years ago
  • idealist
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      idealist  
    • look up pictures of mineing! it will absolutly destroy the beauty of the land! sides of mountains blown off, a giant hole in the ground! is that what we want to turn a perfect landscape into? hopefully chief barack can end it as soon as its started.

    • 3 years ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • Does not bode well for his environmental legacy? What legacy? He doesn't have a legacy. All he leaves is destruction in his path. This is truly outrageous and sad. I hope they do fight this and win a huge settlement. Though I know that does not even come close to the value of their sacred land on a spiritual level. I am so sorry about this.

    • 3 years ago
  • anglcazn
  • naty_forty
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      naty_forty  
    • My goodness, this is wrong on many levels in my eyes. This is sacred land to those tribes and should be respected as such, since the Native Americans where here before the colonisers this makes it much more their land than ours. There is no respect or values anymore, everything is geared for more POWER whether by resources, finances, dominion.... whatever etc.

    • 3 years ago
  • Vierotchka
  • mohawknation
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      mohawknation  
    • wuts the differcne they be mining on our lands for hundreds of yrs not just our territories but thourgh out the states and we still havent go see a percentage of it. i would like to kno where there mining if neone knows. the white man has raped our land of resource since they settled around here back b4 america was called america and when we fight back they lable us as terrorist what is a bunch of BS how can they call us terrorist when this is our land that was stolen from us? who is the real terrorist? i know in america and canada;s eyes im a terrorist cause i dont sit back and let that type of stuff to happen. but in my eyes they are then biggest terrorist org. in the world! and im lettin everyone no right now new york state will have alot of trouble if they keep tryn to press tax on our lands thats a promise! from me and the mohawk nation warrior society

    • 3 years ago
  • aswift1
  • marshuck
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      marshuck  
    • That would go against many tribes beliefs...I think it's just ludicrous that the government will allot American Indians land, and after all this time, still be pillaging them for resources. What that tribe needs to do is hire a good lawyer in tribal law and sue the hell out of the government and/or Peabody Coal. Only changing policy will do any good now, and atleast bring some notariety to the case. I wonder how much of that coal money even gets back to the tribe, and how many Natives are employed there.

    • 3 years ago
  • subsecret
  • Dmitri_Molotov
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