How many times will they lie to us?

"Pessimism of the mind, optimism of the will."

Meaning know the vast forces arrayed against you, but also know that you have power within you to fight them.

Now who said that? I can't remember...

To say it won't help and it's too late isn't good enough. It might be too late, but maybe not, and to use that excuse for compacentcy isn't an option. Not to me anyway.

it is too late to do anything. it took about 150 yrs for us to put this stuff in the air, it is not going away anytime soon and there is nothing we can do to fix it. well except maybe buy some duct tape and plastic sheeting, perhaps some bottled water will help. good luck.

It seems when a problem like global warming is addressed in the world forum many nations still ignore the signs of distress that our world is taking and how our resources are being diminished by excessive use of our plundering. Nature always has a way of showing us our mistakes and have no doubt nature will bite us back in the ass to remind us we fucked up.

You can almost exclusively thank the right-wing for this.

Big business + think tanks pooled their resources (shill media, Republican party, blogs, Televangelists, etc. etc.) and shut down any possible action until now. And that's assuming Obama is gonna get his act together and do something.

See, the right wing knows something that the rest of us don't. If you just consistently lie and lie big, if you project your own flaws onto your opponent,
if you use ad hominems and red herrings and if you do all of this even in the face of contradicting evidence, you'll get enough people on your side and enough confusion in the debate that the issue will be paralyzed.

The real tragedy is that it's probably too late.

Something needed to be done in the 90's. How are we going to stop the runaway carbon effect now that it's already in motion?

I remember having a Greenpeace bumper sticker that said:
"1988 Warmest Year on Record, Still Don't Believe in Global Warming?"

and that was 20 years ago ???

Climate change is real. Look around your own backyard hard enough and you will find it. Everything is constantly changing. Nothing stays the same. But to ignore the fact that fossil fuels is harmful to our health is really stupid. If you don't believe me, tie a hose to your tail pipe and run it through the window and seal it off. Then start your car and sit there and see what happens. Go to sleep.

Jan, you must admit though the world has finite resources, and so does the current ability of mankind, to respond to this. We are even more limited by what kind of effort might be made and how much of mankind is even capable of contributing. In countries such as India just the sheer numbers of humans make their activities, even subsidence farming, capable of affecting climate change. There has to be some discussion/agreement/debate on the exact how of what we can do and what that would entail to take our one shot at turning this around. Just telling everyone to ride a bike and recycle your plastic bottles isnt going to cut it. Its just as unlikely that everyone is suddenly going to join a commune and start an organic garden. Figuring out how to do something is going to be just as big as figuring out what is happening.

It is mindboggling to me. At this point, I don't care to know what anyone thinks is causing this and am so tired of that redundant distractionary debate. The fact is that humans are contributing to the exacerbation of the pace of climate change/global warming. It is then only logical that we would seek to decrease the amount of GHGs we are emitting into the atmosphere in the hope of at least stabilizing it so we do not reach a tipping point before we even have time to adapt to the changes we are already seeing.

The fact is that this is excelerating much faster than was predicted and we are not prepared for the effects we are seeing. We are procrastinating in some hope that it will all turn out to be some ha ha joke, and it is absurd.

The problem is evident even here on Current. Most people either dont believe its a problem or will tell you that its normal climate change that has nothing to do with mankind like that makes a difference.