Take a Job Away from Migrant and Illegal Farm Workers Now - Jobs Currently Available!!!

That is exactly the point.

You are speaking truth toasyguy11

You can't have those jobs because the farmers don't pay minimum wage and could get in trouble if someone who knows that was hired for less.

Yep. +^d

I dunno. Depends what the state and the cities laws are. Sometimes Minimum Wage doesn't apply to agriculture.

I don't think anyone is trying to demonize 'these people'. Most of us are concerned that we enjoy cheap food because the workers [illegal or otherwise] are underpaid (aka slave labor and shitty working conditions). When they're illegal it's much easier to be taken advantage of, seeing as they don't have any rights, and they're not documented in the system.

It's essentially internal-outsourcing (i think i coined a new term, hooray) and it destroys the food economy from the inside out. If the farm owners hadn't have turned to cheap (practically free) labor when it became available, we wouldn't be in the position we're in now where we have to worry about a rise in food price. It's same reason it's really hard to bring back the manufacturing jobs back inside the US. It's now become unfeasible to offer the jobs to Americans, and big corporations have to continually outsource the work to people willing to work for shit, or the whole system crumbles.

Illegal workers aren't "doing us a favor"; we're raping them for a profit and only hurting ourselves in the long run. The main problem I see is that these farms and our corporations have grown too big for their own good and are under a demand they can't meet unless they turn to slave labor. The key fixing this is to focus on local changes. Farms should only provide food for the local community... No more giant shipping fleets (that depend on oil! GO FIGURE!). Imagine if every community supported itself... we'd have no need to supply a huge demand, and only have to meet what we need right at home.

+^d I like that.

It just means " voted down ". I dont believe in "hit n run" voting. Its rude,...and just flat out dishonorable. So if I feel strongly contrary for something, I leave my mark and take responsibility for it.

look , someone voted you up for being honest.
i wonder who it was ?

+^d

Right On ! +^d ( voted up ) I tend to agree.

Well, you might get a few "outdoorsman" I suppose,...and college students making some quick cash while out of school as well, perhaps a libertarian survivalist or the last surviving marxist pacifist out trying to make a statement.

You sure as hell arent going to see a lot of b grade slacker parasitic "middle management" doing any work,....or "look at me,...I be an entrepreneur " types -[ read- car salesman ] !

Its good that you brought this up and reminded the people at large, that PEOPLE of Quality and virtue are still walking the planet. With all the "bidness good ol boys" trying to bully their way around it is easy to loose sight of that.

Thanks for the words of support !

( the feudal lords hireing WILL have to pay more that $8/hr )

JESUS ! (hey~zeus)
WE HAVE ALL SEEN YOUR DAMN IMMIGRATION VIDEO ALREADY.

Do you have a program that scans headlines for -illegal-immigrant-border-
and then posts this video?

Oh but they do and they will...if people actually wanted them.

you know better than that.
employers discriminate ritualy based on a variety of factors, and some one who has gained wealth through the exploitation of illegals isnt going to just say fuck it, lemme shell out double what i was paying, or yeah ill hire this citizen who will want all those pesky things like workmans comp, and time off when ill.
it looks good on paper but in reality its like trying to get a strip club to hire more woman in thier 40's, it just aint gunna happen.

I dont get to use this very often, hardly at all---

-Vd YOU !

I doubt the fat and lazy are eating very many vegetables or fruits...you don't get fat and lazy eating those.

It should pay about $12/hr with workmans comp.provided,... and it WOULD if labor had to be legal. AGRICULTURE is NOT going to "shut down" or move elsewhere.

That is MY contention.

not good enough for everybody BUT GOOD ENOUGH for a mexican????

and who is racist??

Yeah, if you were going for a massive "GOTCHA!" moment, it didn't work.

Here's the logic: The head of the UFW was talking to Jon Stewart about how people believe that illegal immigrants are taking jobs that United States citizens want. In his area (California) most of the illegal immigrants work in agriculture. So, in order to dispel the myth, he and the UFW opened a website that invites average American citizens to come and do the work of an illegal immigrant in the fields to prove that no, United States citizens would not want those jobs.

The point is that US citizens wouldn't want the work of illegal immigrants but the underlying theme is that illegal immigrants don't want the work either. However, due to their desperation they are forced to work for sub-subsistence wages for long hours in murderous work conditions. In other words, these jobs aren't good enough for ANYONE, but illegal immigrants do them because they want to earn money for their families.

So, let's recap: I made a statement about how the UFW opened a website inviting people to empathize with the plight of illegal immigrants and you used four question marks call me a racist.

actualy yes.not because of race but the value of the american dollar versus the peso.a decade of manual labor here equals owning a ranch in mexico.for us we can work the same jobs but in the end cant pay our mortgages or car payments off them.
so yeah these jobs are good enough for mexicans, or whomever comes froma a nation with a deprssed or collapsed economy as they make them rich by thier home standards, while for us field hand labor wont buy you a house or really anything.

Awesome response! I was going to say something similar myself but you have said it better. Nice to see some intelligent commentary on this issue!

It would barely pay the rent and food.

exactly my point

By the way, I couldn't get that link to get off the post. ADAM YAMAGUCHI WHY ARE YOU IN MY POST! baaaaah!

He's following you. What did you do wrong?

lets also see employers hire them

thank you. it drive me nuts too, that random elements get posted as a default item even when you have made zero effort in to posting it.
you can try to edit the response then remove this asset but some times your just stuck with what they give ya

Sorry Radical_Centrist, your argument does not hold water. Labor Unions want all workers to be treated fairly. Most illegal WORKERs are paid much less than what you claim they are paid, and often they are not paid at all. Illegals are only illegal because a few people in this country have decided that undocumented WORKERs are illegal. There are many undocumented people in the US of America, who were born in the US of America.

BTW, every American is an immigrant. Even so called Native Americans were originally immigrants from Asia during the last Ice Age. This "Holier Than Thou" attitude many citizens exhibit is so hypocritical, and a farce. Global Climate Change will force a mass migration that will make the present immigration issue a mole hill compared to the mountain that is coming our way. Our own people will be displaced if that occurs. Will you be considered an invader when you are forced to move because of Global Climate Change?

None of US have the right to declare one person legal and another illegal. We only do so out of fear, and greed born of fear.

Many of US think we live in a world of lack and need when we have so much that is not shared with more than 90% of the world's population. I believe we live in a world of abundance, and fail to recognize it, thus we choose to horde whatever seems to give US comfort. Funny thing is, nothing seems to really comfort those who think that way. I have very little, or plenty, depending on how one looks at it.

Get a life instead of griping about what your neighbor has or does not have, or who is legal and who is illegal.

hate to tell you, whitecrow, but that's how it is.

A side note: enslaved Africans WERE NOT immigrants!

Unions fair about as well in Texas as Whores at a Southern Baptist convention. I have been in the Construction/Real Estate business since 1992 and I can count on both hands the number of framers I met who were in Unions. Wanna guess how much work they got? We are not in NY the Unions and Mob do not run our construction industry. This might be the reason construction is still booming in parts of Texas.

Yep. Not my exact line of work,...but my experience doing Texas labor. ( and I have been around long enough here to see the change in the workplace from reasonably payed to what it is now. ) Screen printing shops are the same way. +^d

No, you are correct. They were forced to come here.

Only in your mind.

In Oregon there are many California contractors who come up here an seriously under bid the locals...taking away their jobs. For example...I had a room remodeled and needed it drywall, finish, texture and paint...the locals wanted $850 for the job....the contractor from California did it for $350 and he got it done in two days.

Its booming because they get their labor cheap and don't pay living wages to the construction trades.

I can tell you that off the record even our command is acknowledging that we are no longer engage in the AF-PAK conflict because of democratic freedom for an oppressed people but for political stability in the region to help guarantee our own National Security and Economical interests in the area. Concerning the TAPI oil pipeline, the huge, untapped precious metal deposits and to keep Pakistan stable, thus eliminating the threat of their nuclear weapon systems.

Can we say "OIL" ?

your freedom to drive to a gas station and FIND gas...

do you really want to wait for that day you run out??

we needed those minerals to POWER your cell phones..i mean you do need batteries dont you??.

no cell phone here either.

How many of your kids are you willing to SACRIFICE for a cheaper cell phone battery?

I haven't spent much time in Iraq but I have spent quite a bit of time in Afghanistan. In the Logar Valley and Wardak Provence. Afghanistan has no need for foreign labor yet but what has happen is much of the Afghanistan economy is now dependent upon the U.S Military and Foreign Corporations. Nine years later the country still lacks a working infrastructure, education or health system and an almost complete lack of basic human services. The farming of poppies is Afghanistan's number export and means of support but even though we are leaving the fields alone for now, plans are being designed for the destruction of the fields in the future and as far as I know the U.S Government lacks a clear, workable replacement crop after the Military and DEA destroys the poppies fields.

No, thank you about the information concerning the use of morphine in Europe and its short supply. It seems like a simple solution but I am not confident in the reasoning power of our Government when it comes to drugs. Your solution sounds so elegant and simple but I am sure the Government would fcuk it up somehow.

We can thank W's Iraq War for the lack of infrastructure, and meaningful economic and political development in Afghanistan. We missed a real chance to do anything meaningful early on in Afghanistan, when it would have been easier, because of our misguided entry into Iraq. Now we are between a "rock and a hard place." Isn't that how monkeys smash nuts? I guess we haven't learned much, have we?

Hey, morphine is legal in the US too. Boy was I thankful for it when they put my left shoulder back in place. The WAR ON DRUGS is nothing but a way to employ ex-military types, and a way to control the DRUG INDUSTRY. Isn't the WAR ON DRUGS the longest running WAR our country has ever been involved in? I think the WAR ON POVERTY was the second longest WAR. Poor people lost that one. Are we any closer to winning the WAR ON DRUGS?

Again, more missed opportunities to achieve something worthwhile.

well, the government would kowtow to big pharma.

I have read "The Grapes of Wrath" several times and highly recommend it. Powerless workers are abused at every opportunity. However, I still support legal immigraion vs. illegal immigration. The illegal workers should be paying taxes and the companies employing them should be punished. The influx of illegal immigrants has the effect of reducing the bargaining power of documended immigrants. Thus, the illegal immigrants are punishing the legal immigrants by restricting fair pay for all.

i agree.

Right on brother-man.

Hey, its real easy, just declare illegal aliens legal, document them, fine them for their illegal actions (looking for work), require that they learn English, pay taxes, obey laws against real crimes (not racist laws), and create a path to Citizenship. BTW, most illegal aliens do pay taxes, sales taxes, the most UNFAIR TAX we have because it affects the poor more than any other segment of our society. This raises a question in my mind. Does our federal government pay the sales tax on items payed for with food stamps, or does the individual state pay the tax? I am just curious. The poor who use food stamps should not have to pay it, that is for sure.

bullshit. dont give me that crap. i'm not going to play that game. an illegal immigrant raped my brother's girl and tried to kill my brother. my brother broke the rapist's arm. illegal immigration doesn't help anyone. if we want to help the desperate, we should cut the coyotes out of the loop and help those who need help to get here. beyond that those who exploit illegals should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

I feel sorry for your lose Nephwrack though I still have to say, it is your attitude that is BS. It is the "illegal" nature of the situation that gives the coyotes and other real criminals power. In spite of your obvious big lose, real crime in border states has actually gone down over the past ten years. If you really want to continue that trend, there needs to be a way of allowing needed workers to enter the US of America without hassle though in a controlled manner. Then it would only be the real criminals trying to sneak through our southern border, much like the Canadian border. Working immigrants are being used as political pawns by the radical racist right and Repugnants.

If we would end our WAR ON DRUGS and include those who have addictions to currently illegal drugs, that are harmful to themselves and society, with the compassion they deserve, which should match those who have alcohol addictions and nicotine addictions, both drugs, and food addictions, just one more way our society deals with trauma, crime would go down even more. That is what society is dealing with, trauma. Why continue to add more trauma to the PILE of crap we are already dealing with? True COMPASSION is what will create new opportunities in the US of America and Mexico.

There are better ways. Continued DRUG WARFARE or RACIST ATTITUDES are not one of them.

sorry man, been having a rough time lately, and i tend to vent here without thinking sometimes.

...you're totally allowed to vent...we all do at one time or another...so sorry for your loss, my friend...

It is a form of servitude comparable to indentured slavery where people enslave themselves because they have no other choice. That form of slavery is just as Repugnant as the "real thing," and I believe our "common law" now considers it just as illegal though I am not a lawyer, and cannot vouch for that.

may god prevent you from ever being so desperate.

Couldn't agree with you more. I have a big problem with illegal/slave/child labor.

I just really want to know for sure who's jobs are up for offer here. I really doubt this is legitimate, it is VERY ambiguous.

America used to be a Proud Industrial Nation that produced products of quality, our manufacturing capability was the world's envy. Now we are a nation of consumer, who produce nothing but debt our greatest export now is War and Conquest. We as a nation have lost our way and the middle class has been destroyed crushed in a economical class war.

Absolutely, exporting more then 30% of the world's weapon systems, we also have the largest defense budget by far. America only does three things right these days, building Weapon Systems, Global Warfare and Football.