Take a Job Away from Migrant and Illegal Farm Workers Now - Jobs Currently Available!!!

Buddha...its very simple. The UFW are offering to match job seekers with farming employers in California. Its all legit.

Alright, so they're matching jobs seekers and employers, perfectly legit, but if that's the case they're not offering up illegal's jobs, they're offering up open positions. It's not taking anyone's job, that's just not what the title implies.

Fuck yes. +^d

Because not all of the workers are fully documented workers. Many have their residency approved by Immigration but are still waiting for their green cards from the Department of States.

Just FYI there are 4.5 Million people in this gray area...somewhere between legal and illegal.

If you don't believe me look up the Department of State website and just look at how many people are on the waiting list. The DOS has only so many workers who are able to get those green cards issued to these people who are already approved.

I think it was offered facetiously, in jest. I know my back wouldn't let me take one of these jobs no matter how under-employed I am.

but in the case of illegals, it is most often not.

perhaps they would charge what it was worth? or maybe people would get up off of their fat lazy asses and start a garden in their backyards?

That was one farm in Arizona that was paying the equivalent of $2 per hour...these jobs in California through the United Farm Workers pay $8 per hour or at least California minimum wage.

ohhh, didn't know that lol how do you remember things like that? It's just that it doesn't say California anywhere in the article or easily visible on the website. no when I glanced at it at least. As long as it's minimum wage, then it's not so bad, but that article about the people in Arizona...that was just too much and it sounds exactly the same.

They can do it and get away with it because those workers that get paid that low are NOT US citizens... I'm really starting to smell a fish in here, it might even be a red herring... Gross.

The UFW is offering other citizens' jobs. I am starting to believe this whole thing is a scam, and they never meant to offer any illegal jobs. No one would be crazy enough to take that. This a ploy to make US citizens look bad, and to put illegals in a 'nicer light'.

so you're saying that farmers here in california who hire illegal aliens pay fairly?

I watched the report on Univision. I am going to post the video from there so people can see it. I have been working all day...but this evening I will post the Univision video with a translation and it tells the audience that the winery being used as an example...in Sonoma, California...was willing to pay $8 to anyone who would work the grapes. The reporter takes them up on the offer and demonstrates with video how very difficult the job is and how much he gets done compared to the migrant farm workers. It is a very revealing video.

When they ask the grape grower how many White or Black Americans had taken him up on the job offer...he says NONE. Stay tuned.

Many pay the California minimum wage and they don't ask for visas.

THANK YOU!

I agree with you that illegal, migrant farm workers are taken advantage of and the pay they receive is horrendous and it would be wonderful if unemployed Americans could get these jobs and receive a competitive, living wage ~ but this is pure fantasy. The price of food would be astronomical even with increased Federal Farm Subsides. This is a liberal pipe dream, nothing more!

no, the price of food would drop when the people stopped buying.

I must be missing something. Why or how could people simply stop buying food? I am not being a wise ass, I am asking you honestly.

people would stop buying the food that costs too much and resort to buying imported goods that were cheaper, forcing the farms here to compete.

It appears they're too smart and have enough self respect to not be taken advantage of.

Go Mexicans! Harvest our food for next to no pay! I can't imagine what could be so wrong about taking advantage of poor people...

you might be surprised at what Americans are willing to do for pay right now. if the farmers would pay what the job was worth they might find that they had to hire fewer workers.

Therein lies a huge issue. If they were our 'friends' why are they paid shit? Why are children allowed to work? Farm owners take advantage of these people, and they walk right into it because they are desperate due to shitty circumstances in their own country. How can we expect respect when they are not even looking for respect in the first place?

Hooray for taking advantage of poor people! Hoooraaayy! Do you realize that's all it is, right? There's no magic service we're providing for them. They're being USED for farm owners GAIN. Grant minimum wage to American citizens and watch workers pile up at the door. Americans are just not that STUPID, nor that VULNERABLE. We should not be proud of this, and nor should they.

nephwrack what the heck do you think the job is worth? Do you realize what that would translate into as far as prices are concerned? I am going to post a video tomorrow that really gets into that issue and why agricultural jobs cannot pay $15 and hour plus benefits, why we need to preserve the system we already have. People can scarcely afford the prices we already have...imagine if those prices doubled...people would stop buying the produce and then it will all be in vain.

So you're saying you want to preserve a system that takes advantage of poor migrant workers? Are you fucking serious?

If they paid minimum wage, hire seasonal workers when needed, etc, it would work out fine, it doesn't have to have benefits; I'm more than sure minimum wage would be better than nothing for a lot of Americans right now.

The subsequent rise in the price of produce isn't enough to justify slave labor. Are you really going to post pretty graphs [or videos] doing such a thing? You're a disgusting human being.

Here in the Shire (New Hampshire for you numb nuts) we have MANY farms that produce decent-priced, fresh produce, and do not rely on slave labor. Gee, i guess it's just not possible to do in the south where the farms are just too damn big. How about getting rid of Uncle Sam's finicky hand that fucks with all the prices, and increases cost with extra transportation cost. Why can't farms remain local, small, and private? Why can't we rely on local farms to produce food? That's how it used to be, and it worked just fine. It still works here in the north too. Want me to go find some pretty graphs? Maybe I'll give you a few phone numbers and you can talk to the farmers and workers yourself.

The jobs being offered are $8 per hour with no benefits. That is what they pay most of the migrant farm workers in California. The migrant workers are offering their jobs to any American who wants them and they are willing to train them to work. So far no nobody has taken them up on their offer.

I am not for worker exploitation, the point of this whole post is to demonstrate that the rhetoric that "illegal aliens have taken our jobs" is BS. Because for over a year now, the United Farm Workers have been offering these jobs to Americans, but Americans don't want these jobs...harvesting fruit...harvesting produce that cannot be harvested by machines.

The people who work these jobs are exposed to all sorts of terrible things...pesticides, dust, extreme heat..etc. Making $8 an hour translates into $320 a week and about $1400 per month. These people send more than 50% of the money they earn home to their families south of the border. Without that income their families would live in abject poverty. We would be looking as starvation in Latin America on the scale that is seen in Africa.

When you can send $600 to $800 a month back home to a place where the average salary is around $300 it means that you can build your home, you can own a car, you can send your kids to better schools...it means you can buy that washing machine, that dryer, that refrigerator and that stove...it means your family isn't going to die from Carbon Monoxide because you cook on a wood burning stove inside your house...or on a make shift stove made from a steel grate and some cinder blocks. You can have running water inside your home and you can have a decent outhouse.

You need to look at this from the POV of the worker...what they need and what their lives would be without these jobs that they have traditionally done for over 100 years.

In Oregon we have many small local farms that are manned by the people who own them with the help of migrant workers. Most of those migrant workers are Latino. I don't know what they pay their workers here, but I am sure that with the small profit margins it can't be much more than the $8 an hour being offered in California.

I shop at the Farmer's market and buy very few items from big chain supermarkets...basically only the things I can't get at the Farmer's markets.

The problem is what you're quoting is documented work and legal workers: Migrant farmers, who are protected under a State's rights. The UFW official page is very misleading, and their list of minimum wages is not up to date, and their link to sources is to Wikipedia, which contains no such info on minimum wage (I don't have a problem with Wiki, but I do have a problem with falsified statistics used to mislead people).

That raised a few red flags for me. I can't seem to find the part where they're offering $8/hr, and who exactly are the people that have these jobs right now? If they're illegal, then they're undocumented, so how can we even trust the stats? Are they really sending $600 to $800 a month back? How do we know this per worker if its undocumented? If they're Illegal aliens, they don't have rights, and they don't have to be paid minimum wage, and they're most likely not. How can citizens be taking illegal alien's jobs if the jobs they're offering aren't held by illegals? I have no problem with legal migrant workers.

The UFW promotes rights for AMERICAN workers, they say so themselves, it does nothing for the purported illegal worker that is mentioned in the title of the post.

The more I look into this, the more it becomes somewhat obvious that this is a play on race, and has nothing to do with undocumented ILLEGAL workers who work for below minimum wage, and it seems to become a ploy to play down mr american whitey "who's afraid to get dirty". You might want to watch Dirty Jobs with Mike Rowe. There are plenty of Americans [of ALL races] who are willing to get down and dirty, and for little (but decent) pay. I have respect for these workers, we need them, I agree.

I also understand the allure of sending money back home where it's worth more, that's spectacular and admirable to care for your family, and many US citizens do this overseas. That's all fine and dandy, but that is not available for ALL workers. There are sweat shops, and sweat farms all over the south, even some here in the north, who use illegal immigrants, are completely undocumented.

The post just isn't true. That's not what's up to offer, and it sickens me that this may be more about race, and less about human rights.

I give you a big thumbs up for supporting your local farms. That's absolutely fantastic, and that's exactly what my family tries to do. Kudos.

Again though, the title of the post is about illegal alien workers, not Latino workers. They are not synonymous. Illegal changes the whole name of the game, and it's unfair to use such a game as this to say that Americans aren't taking these jobs. They actually already have them, they just happen to be Latino.

it's worth a hell of a lot more than a dollar per bushel! i cannot believe you just said that. your comment makes me sick. what kind of american are you?

aww i thought you were gonna say in buckland! hehe jk

you're not taking into account that there are still a shit-ton of illegal aliens here who are *not* being paid minimum wage. yes, i'm talking about california. if you honestly think that there is no exploitation of illegal immigrants here in california i have some ocean front property to sell you in arizona. i grew up in central california. dont kid yourself, the same exact shit that is going on in arizona goes on here.

eggs-fuckinzactly. i keep getting accused of being a bigot because i say that i'm opposed to illegal immigration. i'm no bigot, i'm sick to death of seeing people exploited by big business.

then perhaps we should foster economic growth in central and south america rather than let corporations taking advantage of slave labor bleed us dry!

Jubal, let us not forget that an American citizen taking the job would be required to pay social security tax, medicare, income tax. The employer would be forced to contribute about 6.75 % matching for social security, plus being under the thumb of OSHA and their various regulations. Our tax system is designed to encourage and support illegal immigration, punishing the poor and enriching the rich. Let us consider the plight of legal immigrants, they are forced by the illegals to accept a below sustainable wage,due to the influx of illegal immigrats from their own countries. What a wicked web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

buddha you are way off base...especially calling me a disgusting human being. I happen to care about this issue very much and I posted this to get a discussion going...not to bare the brunt of your bi-polar disorder. I don't advocate slave labor in any way. I am pointing out that there are many ways to look at this issue and it isn't just black and white...like it is in your world. You can't exist in a dialectic.

The farm owners in California are do not necessarily have to abide by the same laws that protect workers at McDonalds. They have special exemptions for farm workers working for piece meal pay or being paid by a certain measure of harvest...such as by the bushel.

Who said anything about $1 a bushel? What kind of psychotic are you?

I never said that their weren't undocumented workers in this country who are being exploited and I am completely against exploitation in any form.

Now your talking...we need to get their standard of living up so that it doesn't make sense for them to come here.

You're obviously missing the point of your own post. Is this or isn't this about illegal workers? Slave labor goes hand in hand with illegal workers, it's a huge part of the problem.

Clearly you're not trying to advocate slave labor, but it IS happening with illegal workers. The jobs illegals hold are not high paying, do not stick to minimum wage standards, and take advantage of poor people. The UFW is not offering illegal's jobs as the post implies, that is just a lie trying to grab people's attention. It's misleading and causing a lot of others to miss the real issues concerning illegal workers, it's not as simple as "Americans won't take the jobs, so these people will, we should be grateful". That really is wrong, and inherently disgusting.

yeah, god save our country from those bastards who exploit illegal labor.