Wall Street protestors disgusted with both parties

While both parties are flawed, it is a mistake to claim they are equally flawed. Republicans are positively evil - Democrats are not.

When the power of love overcomes the love for power the world will know peace. -Jimi Hendrix

Great post, thanks so much for posting.

Although I am very disappointed with the Whitehouse response in support for Wall Street while "understanding" the pain of the protesters. We deserve better than that. For the most part, though, I do not see that this is a two-party problem. Clearly, the republicans (and their teabags and hags) are attempting and winning for the upper 2%ers.

The democrats are the party that has come up with regulations and protections for regular citizens against abusive practices. The republicans have refused to fund many of the policies that have already passed Congress. Of course, we do have those damn Blue Dogs who only pretend to be democrats. And then there's Mary Landrau who will do anything to protect her money bags -- most notably the oil companies that she feels should not have to pay taxes. Paying taxes would have little to no affect on these companies drilling for oil in fragile environments. If they can make a profit and of course the make huge profits without all the deductions and credits that they get.

We need real democrats in Congress and anyone who votes for republicahis mess will be responsibile for the decline in the middle class even further and the

Republicans hae stopped all progress in the House and the Senate which in effects leaves the Executive branch void of ability to change anything.

Neutral, yepper, those who call you "mobs" are your friends as much as those who want to know how they can help! And we wonder how we got here? Manifesto #1 Promise to work with those who work for the good of the people and not just themselves or their bosses! #2 for one year spend as much on getting everyone in the US wired ("space race" to make Social Media our forward step to direct democracy) and spend saved money on the web! Thus do we affirm our hope for the future by spending OUR money on our future instead of endless war, hate, of our brothers and sister from another mother, and senseless/endless killing.

Keith: Keep up the good fight!

Some suggestons for the Occupy ----- Movement:

Slogan: “Overthrow the government: register and vote!”

The long-term goal is to effect change by working within the existing system. We must make our voices heard in the ballot box next year, where it counts.

The Wall street financial and corporate powers are not going to respond to direct confrontations and demonstrations. They must, however, respond to government regulations.

The way to develop more effective regulation is to replace the Republicans in Congress with Democrats.

The way to accomplish this is to take an active role in the Democratic party; form PACs, focus local activity on registering voters, be prepared to knock on doors, work to become delegates. Forget third party divisiveness; be a Progressive Democrat!

Use websites, Facebook and other social media to raise awareness. More effective PR must be developed.

Do fund-raising events. Democratic candidates should not have look for financial support from the usual suspects, but from individuals and non-corporate sources.

Focus on issues that affect the middle class working people: jobs, housing, and health. Bring in all of the unions.

Support small local businesses. Develop green, populist-based entrepreneurship.

Infiltrate and subvert: bring as many of the Tea-Partiers over to the real populist movement. Redirect their anger away from the government and at the corporatists.

Emphasize that conservative Republicans who have been elected to office at the local sate and Federal levels are working against the people who elected them.

Start now at the state level to petition for recall elections and impeachments.

Aim for next summer and the Democratic convention to bring activities to a peak.

Do not become targets. Always be peaceable and non-violent.

Wit, humor, holding the ridiculous up to ridicule are all good weapons to use.

So far so good, and the best part the protestors are using alternative way to spread discourse without the state apparatus, a leader and by maintaining the counsels to demonstrate the possibility of a working direct democracy. It must be emphasized that no leader can emerge as if one did it would not mean just an end of the movements anti hierarchical foundation it would also signify the end of the protest ability to create change altogether; a leader can be picked apart (or worse) rendering a movement null and void as the members (as in trade unions for example) whom as a result of operating under a hierarchy believe less in their own abilities seek out another personality willing to tell them what to do, and so on ad infinitum...

Some old pals of mine and some professors (one who's been very vocal in the press) are there literally on the ground putting theory to practice, discussing new ideas with people who've been yearning for a new way. Again there's no need to get to excited, we still have capitalism, banks, and the horrible state for the human condition but one can hope this is just the beginning, and the world is watching.

... there will be more insurrections. - Franco "bifo" Berardi

The protesters have a lot of ideas I support. The protesters problems with lobbyists and the bank bailouts mirror the Tea Party stances on these issues. Return to making government have a limited role will solve many of the problems stated. You can't single out any one party "blocking reform". That term itself is pretty subjective. I view Obamacare as "blocking reform" because it confers too much power to the central government and reduces freedom but many disagree. There are pro statist and anti statist feelings expressed. The bottom line is, are we going to retain the right to govern ourselves or will we cede even more power to the central government? This will happen at the local level but not at the federal level. I don't like the Marxist concepts running through the protests such as wealth redistribution nor do I like the backers of the protests such as George Soros and our own boy king, Obummer. Soros, Obummer and others such as Pelosi (another idiot who needs to share responsibility for the divide in this country). For these reasons I can't get behind them. IF the protesters flush the feces from their movement I'm with them.

Why are these not simply anti Iraq/Afghanistan protests?

as well they should be...congress is a cesspool from which the moneyed interests breed contempt!

I think from what I have heard and seen today that some of the Dems might think they have an opportunity to co-opt the messages...what they don't realize is that for most of us, they had plenty of time to respond to their constituencies and take up the cause and through their refusal to act have forfeited their rights to claim the cause as their own...both Reps and Dems are getting scared and don't really know how to respond...they want to think its still the same old game and that the mob will get tired and go home...this is a new day and a new game for politicians of all stripes...one thing I am really enjoying is that with each day, real democracy is making the wacko right like Rush and the talking stupids at Fox more and more irrelevant..as they lash out at the "mobs" of "Americans attacking Americans"...it would be great comedy if it weren't so serious...

"some demonstrators in New York and across the U.S. say politicians from both major parties are to blame for policies they say protect corporate America at the expense of the country's middle class." Absolutely correct. from:" wella wella there you go again" "to Rising tides were in there with both feet pimping for profits at all cost and shipping sweat equity and legacy savings off shore. When a politician says: "it is complicvated" ,don't pick up the soap. Who voted for: GRAMM LEACH BLILEY? 90 senators both parties. Who voted for all the trade agreements? yup. Who is pushing for the Korean free trade agreement? Who were the idiots pushing the, "education will save you"? Don't need a masters degree to be a greeter at Wall Mart. Some of us can't be neurosurgeons. Some of us were not allowed to pledge to the right fraternity/sorority. The Occupy Wall Street crowd are really intelligent to not voice specifics. The highly paid Corporate pimps will go into hyper mode and truncate every statement. These are well paid highly educated polemicists that can turn a lie into a convincing argument. Example that trade agreements will bring jobs: Truth; all the trade agreements have added a net zero jobs and have degraded the American labor income. Also they have added to our massive deficit, example; we owe China over 2 trillion, 80 trillion around the world and profits all going to the top 23%

Me too!!!..

Bernie Sanders 2012!!!!!!

Obama...Understand this...The protest is NOT simply about a lack of JOBS!
Try this Obama, I don't want to have to work every wonderful day of my life to survive!!! I don't want or expect to live rich, but when I have to work 7- 12 hr. days every week , every year and still can not afford a decent place to live , health insurance or real non-processed food ...something is terribly ( your choice) wrong! This system ,our system is not working..it's rotten , corrupt to the core...every federal agency has been taken over by corporate slugs ..either from the revolving door policy or lobbyists.
We want JUSTICE for past criminal conduct , we want REAL transparency..we want TRUTH for a change! Make it happen or be GONE!

It is far to early in the process to be concerned about the old model of left vs right - GOP vs the DEMS. The process will attract those leaders and politicos that share the values and concepts of the group. The OWS movement does not need to market it self to the existing political structure.

Vote for Ron Paul to win the Republican nomination. You dont have to vote for him in the general election.Its the only way to destroy the false left/right paradigm. Both parties are wars parties they want to continue the drug wars and the wars overseas. they want to keep the fed open. And they both want keep the patriot act in place. Hold obamas feet to the fire and destroy the GOP establishment by making him win the nomination. Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity say Ron Paul will destroy the republican party so maybe that oughta be some motivation

The people have every right to be disgusted with both parties. Neither party is doing a thing to benefit the working class. Alot of it is this disconnect in the Beltway bubble.

The only way to remove these people and their political parties is to vote for independents, and get everyone you know to do the same. And forget about that it would be a "wasted vote". Remember your civics teachers always said to vote for the best person for the job, which means ANY candidate from the two parties in power is NOT the right person for the job.
And a vote for ANY party member just keeps the problem going.

I will be willing to bet, and I am not a betting person, that most of these people will not support the TB/GOP in the 2012 elections.

the only parties we like are sexy parties!

This is the beginning of America's last stand! We must drag Obama to the left big time, kicking and screaming if thats what it takes. I'm sure you all remember the speech Obama gave to a joint session in his state of the union address when he chewed out the Supreme's sitting right in front of him for legalizing citizen united. I would rather he remained in office than a corporate job killer like nit-wit Romney!

No Occupy wall street is not a political movement it's a social movement. If you go to a rally you will see supporters of all parties working together on a social issue.

Hooray!!! As am I, Bunch of Worthless Nit Witz!!!

While I am not certain who I *will* vote for in 2012, I know those I will not vote for. I will not vote for *any* Republicans, since we see everyday how they behave and how obstructionist they are in all manners. Well, I should qualify that: Republicans are always obstructionist unless it benefits big business by taking from the middle and lower classes. I will not vote for that behavior.

"As in the tea parties to which it has been compared, many in this movement are condemning a nebulous conception of the status quo without much of an inspiring alternative vision.

It gets worse. Although there is no single ideology uniting the movement, it does seem to have a general philosophical thrust, and not a very good one at that. OccupyWallStreet.org has a list of demands, and while the website does not represent all of the protesters, one could safely bet that it lines up with the views of most of them: A "living-wage" guarantee for workers and the unemployed, universal healthcare, free college for everyone, a ban on fossil fuels, a trillion dollars in new infrastructure, another trillion in "ecological restoration," racial and gender "rights," election reform, universal debt forgiveness, a ban on credit reporting agencies, and more power for the unions.

All in all, this wish list is a terrible recipe for moving far down the road toward socialism. On the way to achieving these goals, totalitarian controls on the population would be necessary. Some of these demands are merely horrible ideas that would injure the economy severely — such as the huge expansion of public infrastructure. But others are so fancifully utopian — such as a living wage guaranteed to all, especially when combined with free immigration — that their attempted implementation would confront the many disasters and horrors we have seen in every nation that has seriously attempted socialism. Such policies would vastly expand the government, including its manifestations in the corporate state and police power that these protesters find so unsavory.

ALL OF THE CORRUPTION AND BRUTALITY THEY THINK THEY OPPOSE ARE SYMPTOMS OF THE SAME ESSENTIAL POLITICAL IDEOLOGY THEY FAVOR"

excerpts from; Mises Daily: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 - by Anthony Gregory

Careful, remember, the Democratic Party does represent the values that we hold dear. We are going to need their help to overthrow the strangle hold the Republicans have on the Congress and Supreme Court. We all need to stick together, things are going to get much worse before they get better. IT WILL GET UGLY! You can bet on the Republicans to get out all the dirty tricks along with the lies. Remember, if you can simply tell a lie often enough, people will start believing it even when they know the truth. Why do you think the Right Wing has Fox TV/News and now CNN. (I'll bet Ted Turner hates whats been done to his creation.)

They should be disgusted both parties eat from the same trough

So true!! I am sick of both parties. I am sick of the "DO NOTHING CONGRESS" and I am sick of the Blue Dog Dems. who block policy when trying to get things done for the American people. Why not state what the Blue Dogs are "Rejected Republicans".

The Repubs shot themselves (and us) in the foot. As President Johnson moved on Civil Rights, the Repubs ran with their "Southern Strategy". The Southern Democrats were a conservative regional power base left over from Reconstruction. Disaffected by the "liberal" social policies of the Democratic party, they looked to be an asset to a corporate oriented Republican party (plantations were corporations too, weren't they?).

Repubs were sure they could be jollied along and controlled. Right (see Weimar Republic, 1920s). Now, the tail is wagging the dog, and we have a Corporatist directed fundamentalist rump attempting to run the remains of a National party.

The problem is that Democratic party leaders have been trying to compete by moving the party center to the right to attract independents and disaffected moderate ex-Repubs! Progressives are now being called “The Professional left”, Far Left, and “Extremists” BY THEIR OWN PARTY! Oh, and "a nation of whiners" by Phil Gramm. (and how is YOUR mental recession going?),

President Clinton (a good Democrat?) cooperated with Phil Gramm and the Republican Congress on the Repeal of the Glass Steagall Act in 1999. Then there was NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT and WTO. Not so much the friend of either small business or Labor, was he?

Now we Progressives are called “Far Left”. But T.R., FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, and even Nixon (on social policy) all had these contaminating “Far Left“ Progressive tendencies. We are in good company, at least