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UN human rights council calls for investigation of Gadhafi's death/ICC arrest warrant was issued

source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/21/gaddafi-dead-unhcr_n_1023708.html

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GENEVA — The U.N. human rights office called Friday for an investigation into the death of ousted Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, noting that his death robbed his victims of a chance at "cathartic" justice in the courts.

Gadhafi was captured alive Thursday in his hometown of Sirte before shaky amateur footage showed rebel fighters standing over his bloodied body.

"We believe there is a need for an investigation," said Rupert Colville, a spokesman for the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights. "More details are needed to ascertain whether he was killed in some form of fighting or was executed after his capture."

"The two cell phone videos that have emerged, one of him alive, and one of him dead, taken together are very disturbing," he told reporters in Geneva.

A Libyan official said Friday that the burial of Gadhafi has been delayed until his death can be examined by the International Criminal Court – though it was not immediately clear if he was referring to a look at the dictator's body or a probe into what led to his death.

The U.N. Human Rights Council established an independent panel earlier this year to investigate abuses in Libya, and Colville said it would likely examine the circumstances of the 69-year-old leader's death.

He said it was too early to say whether the panel – which includes Canadian judge Philippe Kirsch, the first president of the International Criminal Court – would recommend a formal investigation at the national or international level.

"The dust hasn't settled yet," Colville told The Associated Press when asked if Libya was capable of conducting an independent probe into the death.

"You can't just chuck the law out of the window," he added. "Killing someone outside a judicial procedure, even in countries where there is the death penalty, is outside the rule of law."

Colville said the victims of Gadhafi's despotic 42-year-rule deserved to see proper judicial procedures followed and perpetrators of abuses brought to trial. "It can be a rather cathartic exercise as well as being a fundamental tenet of rule of law," he said.

"Of course there are many others apart from Col. Gadhafi, so there may at least be some kind of court proceedings where we do all learn what happened and who is responsible."
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  • JanforGore
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  

    • http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29461.htm

      On 14 October, President Barack Obama announced he was sending United States special forces troops to Uganda to join the civil war there. In the next few months, US combat troops will be sent to South Sudan, Congo and Central African Republic. They will only “engage” for “self-defence”, says Obama, satirically. With Libya secured, an American invasion of the African continent is under way.

      Obama’s decision is described in the press as “highly unusual” and “surprising”, even “weird”. It is none of these things. It is the logic of American foreign policy since 1945. Take Vietnam. The priority was to halt the influence of China, an imperial rival, and “protect” Indonesia, which President Nixon called “the region’s richest hoard of natural resources …the greatest prize”. Vietnam merely got in the way; and the slaughter of more than three million Vietnamese and the devastation and poisoning of their land was the price of America achieving its goal. Like all America’s subsequent invasions, a trail of blood from Latin America to Afghanistan and Iraq, the rationale was usually “self defence” or “humanitarian”, words long emptied of their dictionary meaning.

      In Africa, says Obama, the “humanitarian mission” is to assist the government of Uganda defeat the Lord’s resistance Army (LRA), which “has murdered, raped and kidnapped tens of thousands of men, women and children in central Africa”. This is an accurate description of the LRA, evoking multiple atrocities administered by the United States, such as the bloodbath in the 1960s following the CIA-arranged murder of Patrice Lumumba, the Congolese independence leader and first legally elected prime minister, and the CIA coup that installed Mobutu Sese Seko, regarded as Africa’s most venal tyrant.

      Obama’s other justification also invites satire. This is the “national security of the United States”. The LRA has been doing its nasty work for 24 years, of minimal interest to the United States. Today, it has few than 400 fighters and has never been weaker. However, US “national security” usually means buying a corrupt and thuggish regime that has something Washington wants. Uganda’s “president-for-life” Yoweri Museveni already receives the larger part of $45 million in US military “aid” – including Obama’s favourite drones. This is his bribe to fight a proxy war against America’s latest phantom Islamic enemy, the rag-tag al Shabaab group based in Somalia. The RTA will play a public relations role, distracting western journalists with its perennial horror stories.

      However, the main reason the US is invading Africa is no different from that which ignited the Vietnam war. It is China. In the world of self-serving, institutionalised paranoia that justifies what General David Petraeus, the former US commander and now CIA director, implies is a state of perpetual war, China is replacing al-Qaeda as the official American “threat”. When I interviewed Bryan Whitman, an assistant secretary of defence at the Pentagon last year, I asked him to describe the current danger to America. Struggling visibly, he repeated, “Asymmetric threats … asymmetric threats”. These justify the money-laundering state-sponsored arms conglomerates and the biggest military and war budget in history. With Osama bin Laden airbrushed, China takes the mantle.

      Africa is China’s success story. Where the Americans bring drones and destabilisation, the Chinese bring roads, bridges and dams. What they want is resources, especially fossil fuels. With Africa’s greatest oil reserves, Libya under Muammar Gaddafi was one of China’s most important sources of fuel. When the civil war broke out and Nato backed the “rebels” with a fabricated story about Gaddafi planning “genocide” in Benghazi, China evacuated its 30,000 workers in Libya. The subsequent UN security council resolution that allowed the west’s “humanitarian intervention” was explained succinctly in a proposal to the French government by the “rebel” National Transitional Council, disclosed last month in the newspaper Liberation, in which France was offered 35 per cent of Libya’s gross national oil production “in exchange” (the term used) for “total and permanent” French support for the NTC. Running up the Stars and Stripes in “liberated” Tripoli last month, US ambassador Gene Cretz blurted out: “We know that oil is the jewel in the crown of Libyan natural resources!”
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      So, is Africa next because of China? Amazing how so many forget that peak oil and peak water will bring the main powers into a geopolitical power struggle to be first to get it all.

    • 7 months ago
  • unimatrix0
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      unimatrix0  
    • JanforGore:

      Obama sent troops to Uganda to fight the Lord's Resistance Army. I suggest you do a little research on the horrors being committed by the Lord's Resistance Army before you use the crisis to promote your own agenda.

    • 7 months ago
  • JanforGore
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    • unimatrix0:

      The only agenda I have is wanting truth from my government. But just because you are an Obama syncophant you think there is "an agenda" because people dare to ask questions. And I know full well what has been going on regarding human rights abuses and atrocities by the LRA for going on the last TWENTY years. I have supported Doctors Without Borders regarding it and the arrest warrants issued by the ICC against Kony and others. Do you think he will actually wind up at the ICC this time?

      So asking and considering ulterior motivations regarding military special forces engagements is a legitimate question based on our track record of entering other countries and the fact that South Sudan is now independent of the North and the South is where all the oil is. Too bad that because of your political bias you won't even engage a civilized conversation about other motives that may or may not also be related to this. It certainly wouldn't be the first time they were. Perhaps you need to read up on the geopolitics and history of this region as well.

      There is also a famine going on in Somalia that is still killing thousands while our drones bomb there. Humanitarian as well I suppose? But I don't recall seeing much if any concern for those dying in this famine when I posted about it here. Also, it is fact that China has been courting Africa in search of their oil (Darfur a prime example) and minerals. Don't think to tell me you are that naive to think no other countries seeing the world we live in regarding rising populations and dwindling resources aren't going to do what they can to get their share?

      http://www.sudantribune.com/South-Sudan-s-ruling-party,40497

      We'll see how this unfolds as the months go by.

    • 7 months ago
  • unimatrix0
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    • JanforGore:

      Jan, we both know you have an agenda beyond truth in gov, so lets at least try to be honest.

      As for your reliance on the ICC - don't you think such appeals are a bit naive and unrealistic?

      I'm not interested in getting in a pissing match. I've seen you piss on too many people to be up for such shenanigans. I only wanted to point out that rather than seeking out the most sinister and ulterior of motives for going into Uganda, you might want to at least mention and consider the most obvious motive, and the one stated by the Pres.

      I knows you are an Obama hater, and I can't help but believe that if Obama had not chosen to go into Uganda to help the women and children being raped and forced into military service, you would have been complaining about his inaction.

      By bashing Obama you only strengthen the GOP, and by doing so only put the environment in greater danger. I do hope one day you see the error of your thinking.

      Believe it or not, I admire and support your passionate concern for the environment. I only believe that sometimes you harm your cause more than you help it.

    • 7 months ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • unimatrix0:

      Bashing and criticizing policy are two different things. And your guilt trip regarding me, "hurting my cause" is unnecessary because that wasn't even part of this discussion. You sound like an Al Gore hater because that's the tactic they use. Is he "hurting his cause" as well by criticizing Obama's actions on the environment regarding smog rules, oil drilling, climate change, etc? Is that hate? I could then conversely say you are hurting the cause of atheists by not exercising moral courage for wanting people executed without trial. Not true? BP was just given permission by THIS administration to drill in the Gulf again. THE GULF. I am sure you applaud that too right? When Obama approves the Keystone XL pipeline as will more than likely happen, you come here and tell ME I am hurting MY cause. Were those standing outside the White House getting arrested to stop that BASHING too? You are blinded by your allegiance to him over the important matters. Don't transpose that onto me.The only ones hurting the environment are syncophants who refuse to stand up for principle. I am grateful to not be one of them.

    • 7 months ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  

    • http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29468.htm
      The End Of History

      By Paul Craig Roberts

      October 20, 2011 "Information Clearing House" -- Now that the CIA’s proxy army has murdered Gadhafi, what next for Libya?

      If Washington’s plans succeed, Libya will become another American puppet state. Most of the cities, towns, and infrastructure have been destroyed by air strikes by the air forces of the US and Washington’s NATO puppets. US and European firms will now get juicy contracts, financed by US taxpayers, to rebuild Libya. The new real estate will be carefully allocated to lubricate a new ruling class picked by Washington. This will put Libya firmly under Washington’s thumb.

      With Libya conquered, AFRICOM will start on the other African countries where China has energy and mineral investments. Obama has already sent US troops to Central Africa under the guise of defeating the Lord’s Resistance Army, a small insurgency against the ruling dictator-for-life. The Republican Speaker of the House, John Boehner, welcomed the prospect of yet another war by declaring that sending US troops into Central Africa “furthers US national security interests and foreign policy.” Republican Senator James Inhofe added a gallon of moral verbiage about saving “Ugandan children,” a concern the senator did not have for Libya’s children or Palestine’s, Iraq’s, Afghanistan’s and Pakistan’s.

      Washington has revived the Great Power Game and is vying with China. Whereas China brings Africa investment and gifts of infrastructure, Washington sends troops, bombs and military bases. Sooner or later Washington’s aggressiveness toward China and Russia is going to explode in our faces.
      end of excerpt
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      No wonder the troops are leaving Iraq.

    • 7 months ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  

    • "We came, we saw, he died."

      Rebel grassroots uprising my eye.

      Oh, and we all know what Gaddafi was, but revelling in death to me is sociopathic.

    • 7 months ago
  • Cruzankenny
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      Cruzankenny  

    • Mr. Gidhafi declared war, thereby setting the rules of engagement. He was offered a chance to step down, but hired mercenaries, which is against international law, to fight the citizens of Lybia. To change that after his death is nothing but Hypocrisy and Hubris.

    • 7 months ago
  • hombre76
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      hombre76  

    • this is bullshit grand standing. Gadaffi was at war with the people of Lybia and in the course of that war was killed end of story. the Lybian people got all the cathartic conclution they needed watching him be put on his knees in the street to take his medicine, A bullet to the fucking head. those soldiers caried out the sentance of the court of Lybian opinion. Who else is this puppet court going to charge with a crime anyway? stupid is what this is.

    • 7 months ago
  • JanforGore
  • Cruzankenny
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    • JanforGore:

      What I find interesting is I agree with you about 90%. It's where and when you start to compare rotten apples to bad bananas.
      To equate Gidhafi with the head of Bank of America is ludicrous To equate him with Papa Doc, Baby Doc, Idi Amin or Osama Bin Laden would be more truthful and equitable.
      We can't get the government to prosecute the Heads of Goldman-Sachs or BOA, but there is only a slim chance they will me exterminated for their crimes.

    • 7 months ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • Cruzankenny:

      I didn't equate THEM, I illustrated a concept regarding justice and human nature and the repurcussions of it getting out of control. Your refusal to understand that is what is ludicrous... Unless you are just uncomfortable realizing that at some level you really are no better. But no mind, I'm not getting into another pissing match about this here. I already had enough in the other thread with being accused of being heartless and a sympathizer for expressing a valid honest opinion based on the law as this article shows I am not alone in that belief.

    • 7 months ago
  • Cruzankenny
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      Cruzankenny  
    • JanforGore:

      When I disagree with someone, I don't think of it as a pissing match. I think of it as a chance to gain insight.
      You and I may not agree and on this subject we may never, but you are obviously intelligent and have a different way of looking at issues.
      At my age, I can't count the times intelligent and caring people have helped me to understand the view from a different perspective. Sometime this comes after exchanging arguments.
      I find it is best to examine those positions I feel strongest about, because those are the ones where I tend to mono-focus and have been proven wrong many times.
      Please don't take my arguments as lack of respect or close-mindedness on my part, as I don't engage Trolls or egotists.
      I apologize if I came on too strong.

    • 7 months ago
  • JanforGore
  • hombre76
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    • JanforGore:

      the court in this country have shown their allegiance to wall street with the citizens united decision. turing to them for Justice is nieve in the extreem. do you weep for the nazi officers who where summarily killed for their involmnet in POW and death camps? should the men who found them have waited? people like you wail and nash that a monster does not recieve the rights of a humen being. when you should be thanking your lucky stars there are people with the fortitude and focus of mind to do what is nessisary and get their hands dirty for you and the sake of their nations people.

    • 7 months ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • hombre76:

      Do you renounce the Nuremburg trials? Don't come here and try to make me out to be someone that fits your own agenda. My stance on this based on the law was made clear. Your problem if you don't understand it.

    • 7 months ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • hombre76:

      And who are you to be their judge? How do you know that? Perhaps some day that same kind of mob justice will be carried out right here in violation of every law we have causing anarchy. Is that what you hope for?. WIll you be one of those engaging in it? I am weary of people with this tunnelvision mentality when it comes to "justice." All this tells me is that those thugs who took out their kneejerk violent revenge instead of acting properly (which yes I know is hard in a place where they know nothing else) to ensure that he was held accountable would also be the kind of thugs who would do to Libyans what he did to them as well if it suited their purposes.

      But why should I expect some to think in the abstract when all they think about is doing the same thing to their own people right here now. Is that what you want here? People here already talk about "second amendment justice." You approve of that? How easily it can all slip into chaos.

      But yeah, go ahead... take the head of Chase or BOA out of their house and do the same thing to them... JUSTICE, right? Afterall, haven't they hurt even more people here and around the world with their policies? It is the right thing to do right? Just drag them out into the streets and take your "justice " out on them? BECOME THEM? Keep that cycle of violence going and negate every reason for why we have a justice system? Hell, why not just not even give a damn about all the innocent people trapped in the system because of the same kneejerk BS. Right? There should be no laws anywhere that are followed.

      Sorry, but some of you here at times make me nauseous with this machismo BS. JUSTICE is a concept that does not include you being the judge and jury alone irrespective of others to speak for them. He should have faced his crimes head on and had to deal with it and suffer the consequences of it. Now, the lawless environment that exists because someone took it upon themselves or were told to do so is not really an atmosphere condusive to expecting Libya to be a country that respects the law or its people. But of course, these extraneous concepts are lost on those who can only think with the same blind revenge as a dictator.

    • 7 months ago
  • keithponder
  • David_H
  • hombre76
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • keithponder:

      Another genocide based on skin color with no questions asked. But just remember, it is not the act but who holds the gun (or no bid contracts) that makes it OK in this depraved society we have made.

    • 7 months ago
  • keithponder
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  • freecrack
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      freecrack  

    • yeah, cuz any high school civic student couldnt resolve the question of human rights violation in one class?

      what a waste of time.

      his civil ights were violated by people whos civil rights he had violated.he is dead as a result, and everyone is happy about that.so those who are guilty are heros and wont be brought to justice.especially when those who define human rights cant tell one bearded brown person from the next, and they feel justice has been served.

      sign the papers.sentence in absencia.and check out actual human rights violations that need to be adressed if you are feeling this sudden urge of diligence.im sure the people of darfur would sure appreciate it a bunch.better late than never.ask the somalis and the ethiopians and the rwandans.

      or maybe if ya aint got the balls to go after actual badass killers, just still with the white collar ones.bush is just sitting around waiting, and pretty soon the only info cheney will have to share will be the data stored on his life support machine.cuz god forbid we let that guy just fucking die,despite even athiests thinking some one upstairs really wants him dead.i dont know if it was the 16 or17 heart attack that showed that.

    • 7 months ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • freecrack:

      I wrote the ICC about Bashir in Darfur. I am consistent in my views on this including Bush and Cheney who should be brought up to the ICC as well, only this country doesn't believe in that either it would seem. But yes, everybody be happy. Cowboy justice wins again and we are now all on the same level.

    • 7 months ago
  • freecrack
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • freecrack:

      I have my principles regarding following the rule of law and justice and as I stated I am consistent regarding them and that includes all those who oppress others. I find it to be a pretty upside down world when that is considered to be WRONG. If you and others prefer us to be a nation and world where lawless mob justice rules on any side then don't be surprised when it comes to your own backyard and continues from generation to generation. We will have to see what comes of this, but as I stated in my response to the other comment here I already can see it. All will be forgotten or covered up and the deals to make contractors rich in Libya will begin. My only hope is that the people will be spared another dictator out of it all thus keeping the cycle going.

    • 7 months ago
  • David_H
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • JanforGore:

      i think more often than not we(you and i,americans,humanity) actualy share the same values.the ones you expressed in regards to rule of law and justice.i think that we all come across different types, and quantities of information wich creates the variences amongst people who are unkowingly in agreement.

      even in regards to how our expression and application of our ideas travels the long stream of humanity from generation to generation.i totaly agree with you.in judaism in case you are curious it is called (as always excuse the spelling) tikkun olam.the idea that the world is broken into an incomprehensible number of pieces, and each human being from generation to generation has a personal obligation to do their part to put the world back together in an effort of ultimate altruism.
      knowing the converse applies too.that the mistakes you defend prevent progress from occuring.

      damn religion can be so awesome if ya just take some of the crazy out.

      by all logical and reasonable accounts another dictator tyrant shouldnt be an issue.as qadaffi served as the greatest cautionary tale possible.but that is of course viewing what the lybians have claimed with western ears.comprehending according to a western value system and thought process.they seem to be relishing freedom as if it has quenched a 40 yr thirst.but a love for theocracy can have them willfully sacrificing freedom for god.making whom ever adopts god as his authority becomes gadaffis sequal.we will see i guess.

      but you can sure bet your ass when it comes to oil, human rights become an easily ignored concept.at least maybe on this one we can dodge a bullet and it will be the europeans burden to handle, as lybia has the oil they want.god i hope we dont find a value in lybia to exploit.they like us right now, and we are like an abusive spouse who cant help but screw it up once forgiven.like joe in say anything.if ya know that flick

    • 7 months ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • David_H:

      im with ya in a way.
      i should have clarified.when i said everyone is happy, i meant everyone involved,ie the lybian people as well as his political rivals, namely our gov.

      i too was a little dissapointed that they didnt eichman his ass.it would have served them so much better in so many ways.and humanity as well.

      but at the same time i recognize that is my value system, not theirs.i respect their soveregnty as a people.while disapointed that they didnt reach my ethical standards, i forgive them, as i hope they would extend me and us the same courtasy when evaluating what we do.ya know like the next time one of our yahoos decides to burn a quran, or tattoo mohamed on his ass (im so tempted now that i thought of it) they will possibly reciprocate the latitude of respect.

      they may not like it, but they can respect the differences in values.as i do theirs

    • 7 months ago
  • David_H
  • hombre76
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • David_H:

      the bloodlust appearance i get.but at the same time look at how average seemingly normal citizens reacted to the killing of bin laden.it evoked the same pain in my heart.i guess blood lust is a little more common and ever present than you and i are able to accept.

      nah i think our involvement was totaly pride based.

      kind of like how if some one up and decided to kill those god hates fags people, we wouldnt be all like "serves you right", but at the same time it would be like "ya had to see that coming" mixed with a degree of "you get what you deserve".

      i gadaffi has been a thorn in the side of western powers pride for decades, and the lybian people stepping up gave us the opportunity to do what we have wanted to do for so long but neverhad the change.
      i mean he goes to the united nations every year and makes a rediculous spectical of himself at our expense, promotes himself at home at our expense, and does it all proudly with a smile on his face.so we saw the spot, and took it.

    • 7 months ago
  • Anonmaly
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      Anonmaly  

    • Nothing will come of it, the "rebels" did it, and which rebel will be protected by a large number of rebels and specifying will become impossible.

      Idk, been following this whole uprising, and the one in Egypt since their beginnings, what get's me is the income distribution in both countries was better than in most "western" places, the standard of living was pretty high... I'm not saying that a large segment of both populations didn't take issue with their rulers... But if that's an excuse....

      When is Obama, NATO, and whoever else is bored going to go after the Greek government, or the British government, all these other governments that one could make the case obviously need reformed given the actions of considerably large numbers of citizens...?

      And when is the CIA going to orchestrate a coup here? I mean they could just as easily take up a propaganda campaign on the anti government side, swing a big enough percentage to support it, and viola...

    • 7 months ago
  • JanforGore
  • David_H
  • hombre76
  • hombre76
  • JanforGore
  • hombre76
  • JanforGore
  • hombre76
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      hombre76  
    • JanforGore:

      you know what else costs inocent lives half measures and inaction. You kep sitting on the fence and those of us with conviction will continue doing work you and the rest of the middle roaders refuse to do while lives are lost.

    • 7 months ago
  • JanforGore
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    • hombre76:

      No, that would be you and your "at any costs" excuses, because that mentality also costs many innocent lives. That obsession with money belongs to the crooks in our governments and the dictators they prop up, befriend, support with weapons and then depose who actually share your "at any costs" sentiments. Be proud of the company you keep then.

    • 7 months ago
  • JanforGore
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    • http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/21/world/africa/libya-main/
      Tripoli, Libya (CNN) -- The United Nations and two major human rights groups called Friday for an investigation into the death of Moammar Gadhafi amid questions over the final moments of the late Libyan strongman's life.

      "There seem to be four or five different versions of how he died," the Office of the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights said in a statement. "More details are needed to ascertain whether he was killed in the fighting or after his capture."

      Questions also persisted about what would happen to Gadhafi's body. His family issued a statement Friday calling on the United Nations and Amnesty International to push Libya's new leadership "to hand over the bodies of the martyrs of their tribe so they can be buried according to Islamic rites," a pro-Gadhafi TV station reported.

      Libya's interim government, the National Transitional Council, has said Gadhafi's burial will be delayed for a few days to allow International Criminal Court officials to check the body in Misrata if they choose to do so.

      The whereabouts of Gadhafi's son Saif al-Islam was also in question Friday. The International Criminal Court wants the son for crimes against humanity. Revolutionary fighters said they were on his trail and would capture him soon.

      How did Gadhafi die?
      Meanwhile, in Brussels, Belgium, NATO officials were scheduled to meet Friday to discuss their next steps after a military campaign that included thousands of airstrikes in Libya -- including one said to have contributed directly to Gadhafi's capture and subsequent death Thursday. Members of the alliance have said its involvement in Libya is nearing its end.
      more at the link

    • 7 months ago
  • JanforGore
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    • http://current.com/shows/countdown/videos/bill-press-on-gops-reaction-to-gaddafi....

      The line in quotes is what Bill Press said on Keith Olbermann last night regarding Libya. My comment follows:
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      "You've got Bush's way of making war and Obama's way of making war and I think Obama has a good case."

      Really? We really have gone through the looking glass in this country haven't we? So now Obama's re election strategy will be to say he makes war better than Bush? So much for his Nobel Peace Prize. Oh yes, I can't wait to vote for him now! (dripping sarcasm.) I don't think any leader of any country should take "credit" for killing him. Firstly, this country downplayed their involvement and secondly I don't see that as a perk to voting for someone. And the comment below regarding Gaddafi's switching currencies to push international bankers out of his country is true. It is also how he built the Great Manmade River Project (and it should be considered a war crime for NATO to have bombed it) without one cent from international bankers. It's obvious regardless of how despotic he many have been that this raised the ire of those who simply must control it all in their endless pursuit to keep the top dogs the top dogs by eliminating any threats to that control. Personally for me, the day a president can take credit for actually NOT starting a war is the day I will want to vote FOR someone again.
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      Assasination isn't something to be proud of regardless of party. Both the Republicans and Democrats who will use all of this to score political points makes me sick. Thugs killing thugs is what this is as a truly incredible feat of engineering that was bringing water and inventive agriculture to a desert is now ruined (which is heartbreaking from a humanitarian standpoint.). As a matter of fact I also think the ICC (International Criminal Court) was not allowing Gaddafi to be buried until they have verified it is him according to a report. I also think there will be hindsight in this and that he should have been brought to that ICC for trial to face justice like Milosovich was as it appears from videos that people were shouting to "keep him alive" and the NTC reportedly stated before this that he was to be given over to the ICC. So what changed and who is responsible? Was a "kill order" given? Hillary Clinton visited Tripoli just two days prior to this.

      Justice is important and that justice spoken of goes across the board even and especially to Gaddafi, which to me is a given.

      Bottomline: Gaddafi wasnt brought to justice in a way that conformed with international law so he could also be confronted and made accountable in front of the world for his crimes. He actually got off easier. How anyone can see adhering to international law as a defense of him or anyone is ridiculous. Wanting justice according to the law is not a defense of him or anyone, and to condemn this government for its complicity with the countless times we have seen the same MO regardling flaunting the law and not caring about the consequences to innocents in those countries or US is valid, as is condemning what NATO/other parties did regarding destroying the water system there which now effects the people, which is also a great concern now. We need answers to close this chapter of history and to find out just what involvement this government had in it.

      http://humanrightsinvestigations.org/2011/07/27/great-man-made-river-nato-bombs/
      (My hope is that the people can rebuild this.)

      My best wishes to the good people of Libya. May you come through this time of transition with justice, opportunity, water/agriculture, social justice, self determination and true freedom from ALL dictators.

      And may this world finally see the day when mob rule is replaced by adherence to the laws that distinquish us as evolved human beings beyond barbarism.

    • 7 months ago
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