Classical music keeps graffiti artists away
source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5916771/Classical-music-used...
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Most of the sounds have been provided by Austrian composer Gustav Mahler but the intention is to use tracks from other artists including Mozart and Handel.
Since it started in March there has been a significant drop in the number of graffiti cases in the Princes Tunnel in Central Park, Dartford.
Jeremy Kite, Dartford Council leader, said: "People have also told us they feel safer and are enjoying the music.
"It's worked really well so far. Young people creating graffiti don't find it cool to be surrounded by classical music.
"They can't show off and invite their friends to see it. They don't want to stay there.
"We don't want to give the impression this is a negative thing, as most people enjoy having music around. It makes people feel happy."
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composerland
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...short movement of classical music I wrote from a set of variations, accumulating on Youtube. I did not write music to repell artists from working out of doors...
Ars Longa - 1 year ago
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composerland
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composerland
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When I lived in the Tenderloin, San Francisco, there was a law office that had a 24 hour speaker outside that played continuous classical music. All the other storefronts had homeless people laying about, and soiling the space. This business successfully remained clean, without being cruel. The music was not loud. The only graffiti that would have been sprayed would have been tags.
I always thought this was a good strategy - for that case.
2nd case: Port Authority Bus Terminal, NYC. The patrons behave better when they hear light classical music. I think this is borne out in the literature: psychology of music.
In the case of real graffit, the kind that takes time & trouble, it is usually an improvement over what was there before. And no music will stop its creation. - 1 year ago
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composerland
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Alex_Li
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Rather than alienate graffiti artists the local council should be embracing them as they are part of the community they are meant to represent. Don't alienate, facilitate is the answer. But(there's always a but, usually a big one) if the graffiti artists are facilitated then there should be respect given by them to the rest of the community. the question is how to cater for the graffiti artists, answers on a postcard to ihaven'taclue.
- 2 years ago
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Alex_Li
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Rusteh_Bull3t
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Uhh, truthfully i'm big into grafffiti, and this just makes me want to go down there and do summore lol
- 2 years ago
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Rusteh_Bull3t
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NuclearLullaby
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Yeah...Most graffiti artist listen to rap ,but that's really putting a label on these people! Not all Graffiti artist do tags ! Not all graffiti artist are in gangs & I am pretty sure not all of them listen to rap!!! This story makes me laugh! You really don't think a few graffiti just MIGHT have a MP3 player???
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NuclearLullaby
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calm_incense
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Graffiti and Mozart or Handel don't mix, but Mahler? Now THERE'S something that would really inspire me to create some art. Mahler's epically dark orchestrations and somber melodies would go GREAT with graffiti art.
But, ugh, I hope they don't end up playing Mozart or Handel (or Haydn, Schubert, or anyone else of that nature), because that just feeds into the stereotype of classical music as lightweight, unemotional, and "fluffy".
Play some Shostakovich or Takemitsu! \m/
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calm_incense
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cwshea
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There is a huge distinction between graffiti as art and graffiti tagging.
I like graffiti art, I don't like tags. - 2 years ago
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cwshea
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Thargor19
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i knew such beautiful pictures....
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Thargor19
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maizein
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Yeah, but what if that turns them into "Clockwork Orange" maniacs? Scary...
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maizein
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Thargor19
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maizein:
come now my brother, us droogies wouldnt harm an innocent little boyo, we only desire a bit of the old ultraviolence and maybe some of the old in-out in-out. if you want art you take it me brothers!
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Thargor19
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Another thing I was thinking about is: What if the writers think that in addition to speakers, cameras were also installed? Or maybe cameras were visibly installed but the city officials left that part out to make it seem that the artists are not intelligent and only want to destroy property.
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static_by_design
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jamieson
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I think theres a link between intelligence and an appreciation for classical music.
I think this move will scare away the delinquent vandals and leave the intelligent and cultured artists with a more relaxing and twat free environment to practice.
Im sure that not everyone who passes through the tunnel wanted it to be filled with classical music. You say the artists have no right to paint something that belongs to everyone, but so does the air, what right to the council have to fill that with noise?
but its not just noise right? its classical music, the most sophisticated of all music? almost...artistic?
you can't be allowed to use your elected powers to dictate what constitutes as art.
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jamieson
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Thargor19
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f.y.i. people, there really is no such thing as property. dispute this if you must, but the universe and every bit of matter in it doesn't belong to anyone person so a little paint isnt going to harm anyone. plus all that dreary cement and metal needs some artistic flair.
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Thargor19
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Ediblehearts
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I think country music would be even more effective.
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Ediblehearts
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emmahill
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Gosh, kids today really do scare easily.
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emmahill
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maisry
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So, we get music forced on us by the establishment to replace artwork provided by free thinkers?
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maisry
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CarlosIsDown
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Interesting point michail77.
I don't like graffiti really, I don't think people have the right to do that to property that belongs to everyone. I think murals are better to at least make it seem like the graffiti is part of the mural.
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CarlosIsDown
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michail77
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I remember when I lived in Sacramento back in the late 90's they did this between the the tunnel to Sacramento and the historic district.
It was so loud that it was kind of uncomfortable to be there. Everyone just sort of hurried through.
They did it to keep the homeless kids out of the tunnel. Instead they would just gather on the ends. I'd often talk to the homeless kids there when they'd ask for help. Most seemed like they were trying to escape abusive home situations.
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michail77
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Just pass a law that everyone has an explosive "Berry" implanted at the base of the skull.
The cops could sit behind monitoring screens, watching what goes on.
We'd probably have to pass a second law that there should be no drinking by the cops while on duty.
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cwshea
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There is a lot of evidence that minor changes in surroundings can help prevent crime.
When subway cars in New York were cleaned of graffiti (and kept clean), fare-beating, muggings, intimidation dropped.Malcolm Gladwell addressed this in his book "The Tipping Point"
This essay mentions the graffiti episode:
http://www.megaessays.com/viewpaper/4209.html - 2 years ago
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cwshea
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dabne
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I think this proves that people who are more culturally defined respect property that is not their own to destroy.
But is that really shocking?
It would be interesting to try rap music for a year and see how much desecration of property occurs.
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dabne
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sicksadworld
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dabne:
Are you saying that the music changed the way the graffiti peoples were thinking? It made them think that this is not their property to destroy...from the music?
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sicksadworld
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dabne
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dabne:
I'm saying that those who had been destroying the property are turned off by the classical music and don't gravitate to the area.
If they were to use rap music it would be interesting to see how it attracts those who are intent on defacing property.
But I do also believe that music changes the way people react and what they do.
It would be interesting to test if rap or hard rock created much more destruction.
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dabne
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Sam_the_Wizer
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dabne:
It's subjective to call graffitti destruction. I live in a place with beautiful mountains and I think that concrete retaining walls and steel overpasses are ugly elements blocking spectacular views. If someone were to paint something tasteful on that steel and concrete it would make it more pleasant to look at, and heal the aesthetic scars in my environment.
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Sam_the_Wizer
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Thargor19
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i agree with mojojuju, but who says graf artists cant dig classical? i think classical would be a good catalyst to let the creative juices flow!
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Thargor19
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sicksadworld
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Thargor19:
That's exactly what I was thinking. There's so many levels of irony buried into this, I don't know where to begin.
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sicksadworld
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Thargor19:
Right, we'll see waltzing long script that says "I like the world, it makes me so happy.. "
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mojojuju
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Maybe with all of the classical music playing, some weird ultraviolent stuff will happen like in the movie, A Clockwork Orange.
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mojojuju
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el_chivo
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mojojuju:
Maybe with some moloko+
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el_chivo
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bombastinator
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I agree. This is giving classical music a bad name. If I ever get down there I'm going to have to lay down some classically influenced tags. Maybe in Old german calligraphy, considering their music choices. A little raphaelite or mannerist action too maybe.
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bombastinator
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graffiti, generally, seems a hip-hop culture artifact.
Letters often bump and grind.The artists are obviously good - but whether hip-hop or not, the culture isn't the same.
Just like ballroom dancers wouldn't stick around under heavy metal.
Not for long.
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DeliaTheArtist
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"Young people creating graffiti don't find it cool to be surrounded by classical music."
I don't do a lot of street graffiti, but I am an artist heavily influenced by graffiti art and I love classical music and find it quite "cool."
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DeliaTheArtist
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notanotherdumbusername
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DeliaTheArtist:
Right! Why should they have to be mutually exclusive?
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notanotherdumbusername
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el_chivo
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Classical music, kicking serious behinds every time.
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el_chivo
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ellax21193
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I have mixed feelings on this...I say do it because the classical music isn't physical prevention but I find graffiti to be beautiful art... there is a difference between graffiti art and vandalism where people just take black spray paint to paint jeers and crude language in public places
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ellax21193
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Sam_the_Wizer
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ellax21193:
Agreed. Maybe they'll find that it also improves the quality of art in those places.
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Sam_the_Wizer
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Qualles
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I'd totally do that with classical playing, if it were legal. Musical taste have definitely dropped in quality.
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Qualles
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Qualles:
I agree... I know a lot of writers that are true artists and have extremely diverse tastes in everything, especially music. I dont understand why they would see a correlation in mozart and less graffiti... Unless the graffiti scene has really moved away from its art side.
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static_by_design
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Alex_French
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Qualles:
which it has
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