Collective Journalism | September 09, 2009 | 29 comments

It's men's fault the women Inmates Doing Hard Time.

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At Arizona's Perryville State Prison Kathy Griffin asks the women inmates Doing Hard Time how many ended up in jail "because of a guy."
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29 comments // It's men's fault the women Inmates Doing Hard Time.

  • regjoeschmo
  • echoz
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      echoz  
    • "male-initiated" was a lot of what I got out of that fountaingoats. Surely men are complicit in creating shitty circumstances, but the buck has to stop somewhere for women too.

      and I don't think I'm alone in acknowledging that a woman can kick a man in the balls without ever laying a finger on him—and it feels just the same—whether she's incited or not.

    • 2 years ago
  • fountaingoats
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      fountaingoats  
    • I'm sure there are plenty of male prisoners who would claim they are in jail because of a woman. And probably more than one male comedian who would be willing to ask those men the reversed version of the same question.

      While I of course agree that all people should take responsibility for their own actions, statistics show that women often do end up in prison because of situations caused by men. The most frequent example of this is conviction for a violent crime against an abusive husband or boyfriend. They are often convicted as accomplices to men's crimes, such as drug runners for male dealers (often boyfriends or husbands). Many women convicted for prostitution could not escape the situation because of an abusive pimp. I know that I'm going to be accused of being just as "crazy" as Kathy Griffin for saying all this, so let's look at some statistics on incarcerated victims of abuse. (I was unable to find more recent statistics on some of these online. However, evidence shows the trends have not changed much in the past 10-15 years.):

      * A study conducted in 1999 found that 82% of women incarcerated at New York’s Bedford Hills
      Correctional Facility had a childhood history of severe physical and/or sexual abuse and that more
      than 90% had endured physical or sexual violence in their lifetimes. (International Journal of Law & Psychiatry, 1999)
      * This study also found that 75% of the women had experienced severe physical violence by an
      intimate partner during adulthood.
      * A 1996 government study found that 93% of women convicted of killing sexual intimates –
      current or former husbands, boyfriends or girlfriends – had been physically or sexually abused by
      an intimate. (New York State Division of Criminal Justice Services, 1996)
      * A 1996 study found that a majority of women incarcerated in the New York City jail system
      reported engaging in illegal activity in response to experiences of abuse, the threat of violence, or
      coercion by their male partners. (Beth E. Richie, Compelled to Crime: The Gender Entrapment of Battered Black Women)
      * Of 223 reviewed appellate opinions of battered women's homicide cases, 75% involved confrontations (meaning the woman was being assaulted or abused at the time of the killing). (University of Pennsylvania Law Review, 1991)
      * In North Carolina, 75% of incidents where women killed their male partners were preceded by male-initiated violence. In contrast, no evidence suggested that homicides by men were preceded by female-initiated violence. (Homicide Studies, Vol. 2, 1998)

    • 2 years ago
  • echoz
  • regjoeschmo
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      regjoeschmo  
    • fountaingoats:

      here are some recent statistics for you..... one of the largest studies ever done by a neutral investigation.....

      One has to consider why did these women choose to stay in abusive relationships or become prostitutes?? do their original actions/reasons get thrown out because of the situations they put themselves in??

    • 2 years ago
  • weenis
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      weenis  
    • i think people tend to take her too seriously... she has a really crude sense of humor, and she seems to strive to make jokes that she knows will piss people off, but if you can just laugh about it instead of getting angry about everything she says, you might actually find it funny...

    • 2 years ago
  • MotherForTruth
  • nursediesel
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      nursediesel  
    • Guess the woman that drugged her 20 month old was a mans fault, too.
      That's OK, let's put her in an all female prison with female guards.
      And frankly I'm not sure why the redhead is making money in showbiz. Unless her resume' says her strong point is irritating the hell out of the audience...ew even that voice/// it's gravely in a disgustingly whiny way. Grating!

    • 2 years ago
  • echoz
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      echoz  
    • Is it getting better
      Or do you feel the same
      Will it make it easier on you now
      You got someone to blame
      You say...

      One love
      One life
      When it's one need
      In the night
      One love
      We get to share it
      Leaves you baby if you
      Don't care for it

      Did I disappoint you
      Or leave a bad taste in your mouth
      You act like you never had love
      And you want me to go without
      Well it's...

      Too late
      Tonight
      To drag the past out into the light
      We're one, but we're not the same
      We get to
      Carry each other
      Carry each other
      One...

      Have you come here for forgiveness
      Have you come to raise the dead
      Have you come here to play Jesus
      To the lepers in your head

      Did I ask too much
      More than a lot
      You gave me nothing
      Now it's all I got
      We're one
      But we're not the same
      Well we
      Hurt each other
      Then we do it again
      You say
      Love is a temple
      Love a higher law
      Love is a temple
      Love the higher law
      You ask me to enter
      But then you make me crawl
      And I can't be holding on
      To what you got
      When all you got is hurt

      One love
      One blood
      One life
      You got to do what you should
      One life
      With each other
      Sisters
      Brothers
      One life
      But we're not the same
      We get to
      Carry each other
      Carry each other

      One...life

      One

    • 2 years ago
  • echoz
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      echoz  
    • It's interesting about 'men's faults'... I was talking to someone who'd I'd now qualify as a particularly good friend and a valuable mentor now. I'd been confessing: "...my relationship wasn't perfect—" and he'd interrupted me: "Well when you find one that is, you let me know..." lol and we stayed talking for a long time. Somehow he broke the ice for me, and I feel free to rise now... Gray hair is certainly a crown to the aged!!!!!! And when I'd humorously pointed out that he was having red wine with his fish, he nonchalantly paused just long enough to say "y'know these days...nothing matters like it used to..." =P lol

    • 2 years ago
  • regjoeschmo
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      regjoeschmo  
    • well if why stop there, it must be their fathers fault for impregnating their mothers....... otherwise they would have never been born to be able to commit any crimes.......

    • 2 years ago
  • echoz
  • spacemikey
  • slarabee
  • MotherForTruth
  • echoz
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    • slarabee:

      misandry? hmmm (and the one thought splits into two simultaneous...) the word strikes me as quite very uncommon... AND i'm familiar with misanthrope so this must be Mom's use of it in context here =P ...and coming from the kind of posts Mom puts on here misandry suddenly doesn't seem so out of place ;) It's actually Mom that's quite uncommon and not misandry itself =P

    • 2 years ago
  • regjoeschmo
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      regjoeschmo  
    • slarabee:

      just because something is not prevalent in your world or your perception does not make it "uncommon"..... Walk a mile in a single father's shoes who has to hear that his concerns for his children are discounted because he is "only the father"..... Take a look at all of the men arrested because their g/g or wife beat them up...... Try being a single father with custody and getting aid from the state for housing and bills...... need I go on??

    • 2 years ago
  • echoz
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      echoz  
    • slarabee:

      and here's the other half of that thought, embellished =P

      yeah thanks slarabee! you said a lot for me too! It's why I like that song by U2.... Think I'll post it here in a minute... it was interesting (Mom, slarabee) cuz yesterday I happened upon an extroverted successful trial lawyer and one of the things I'd heard him venture was the idea that people would have to renew their marriage licenses in order to stay married *shrug* hehe I didn't say anything, he was much too sharp for me having just entertained the question of that idea most immediately, but certainly the way he'd posed it, it had a general plausibility. His idea was generally like having people renew their licenses like every five years tentatively. "I think we'd find that people might just start treating each other nicer..." I remember him saying. *shrug*

      then again that just makes divorce possible that much easier huh? tsk tsk tsk...

    • 2 years ago
  • MotherForTruth
  • MotherForTruth
  • echoz
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    • "Falling down is always funny. Even funnier if the person who fell down is fat or ugly or an amputee, so these pictures of Kathy Griffin eating the pavement yesterday are about as good as it gets. If her pants had fallen down and the guy behind her gotten kicked in the nuts and farted, we’d be looking at the “America’s Funniest Home Videos” trifecta. But I’ll take the ugly tranny falling down if that’s the only thing we’ve got, because falling down is still funny."

      Somewhat cathartic for me too though =P lol

    • 2 years ago
  • pjacobs51
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    • echoz:

      hehe pjacobs', exactly! and like who's the rotten dirty pig who decided to take the shot instead of catching or even helping her back up to her feet ;)~ hehehe

    • 2 years ago
  • idealist
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    • I feel sorry for Levi Johnston (he hadda escort Kathy Griffin to tha Teen Choice Awards; she musta paid a premium). Might think about doubling your fee next time Levi, cuz she's rather a damper for any better business...just makes you look like you're hurting or something to stoop that low

    • 2 years ago
  • samthesixth
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      samthesixth  
    • The evil patriarchal society must have caused the women who enjoy some of the greatest freedoms on this earth to temporarily lose their ovum power and succumb.

    • 2 years ago
  • maof4brats
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      maof4brats [removed]  
    • It's free will they know when they are doing wrong,the only things I could justify would be hurting the molester or if it is a family member that is beating the shit out of another family member. They can't blame the guys just because they got caught with the drugs BULL!

    • 2 years ago
  • MotherForTruth
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      MotherForTruth  
    • I could not believe my ears, even women serving hard time in prison blame men. Kathy Griffin really thinks Americans are stupid... Women just as men break laws, kill, abuse children, rape..... But we are brainwashed it is all men's fault.... Outrageous!

    • 2 years ago

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