The problem with most atheists' arguments

Now that is a brutal stereotype..

Just sayin' Since...

You certainly can't wonder why all of these arguments become about you, J. You love it. You beg for it the way you argue, the way you bait people. You know when you're being a dick on purpose and you still are, you know when you're being unreasonable or hypocritical yet you will argue any point just for the sake of argument... but your debates aren't based on intellectual stimulation, they seem based on pride and a certain frightening joy you get from seeing the other person flustered at your presence.

@J_J

That was a plain attack against Atheists, for what?
Just a immature act. And to say you weren't choosing sides.

This is what I mean about equal stance for having equality to coexist between religion and non-religion : Its the blamer and the resolver..

The blamer never has the solution, its always the resolver....

Please quit the blaming, it isn't helping. Unless, of course, you like to do that...
Just sayin'

JJ if you represent the Christian community then you are a failure in your own basic tenant of spread the word of your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

You thrive on confrontation and that is the opposite of Christian values my friend.
I bet you are sitting at home right now giggling like a little girl at the people you have fired up.
sad sad little man..................
My God save you.

I already explained what I said.

Set your hate aside and try again.

You are going afar from what I just said, you are avoiding what I just said..

Hate isn't even the topic, neither the ideal issue..backing off from practically everyone's statement won't solve your own, considering how many flaws I can easily point out!~
But, who-so-ever said anyone was hating?

You did, simple accusion, still blaming. Can't help it?

You all went afar from what I said.

So looks like I'm just playing the game you started.

Hate is the only thing that can explain why you can't get what I said. So don't blame me if that's something you look down on...blaming. Don't do what you said is wrong.

JJ
u make a statement in your original post comparing all atheists to perverts who masturbate in public and you say WE went afar from your posts?
Of course there was no way you were saying that just to instigate something....right?

dude
what color is the sky in your world?

That is not what I said nor is it what I was suggesting.

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"Why do atheist love to masturbate in public? It's gross."
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now your just delusional

You don't have anything to back your accusion of "hating" like I do, if you REALLY wish to play with me...

The reason why I say you blame, is because of this the sample I took out of your original post : "I'm confuddled....why is an atheist trying to convert people? I knew the atheist of Current were lying about conversions. They do have a track record of lying."

You are blaming Atheists on Current for converting people to Atheism(You can't prove that), and blaming them of which they are lying about their conversions..
hate has to do with Emotions, and you can't read mine..

No. I said I didn't say it as you said it. And quoting me doesn't mean you get why it was used. If you don't get it from what I said you won't get it when I break it down for you into kindergarten pieces.

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As for the post after yours....I already responded to that.

I had to delete that post, for it was a typo, but as I was saying..

Where did the Daily Show come from? And you even had to start off "Its amazing"..

And you just gone off with your assumptions, I told you, that you couldn't stop..Do you really try to stop that?

LOL

The Mighty Intellectual JJammer....

please break down into kindergarten terms

i need a laugh

Make sure instead of masturbation you say "play wit da pee pee"

BTW
It is the internet you fool. Unless you establish nuance b4 a statement the statement will read as stated.

Maybe that is why you piss off so many. You have no idea the context of what you r trying to relay.

Metal--

Can't continue with what can't be seen.

You see, I don't understand people who like to run their mouth yet get defensive about the response to it. I know for a fact, Jammer, that you are aware of your behavior, your words and your purposeful disrespect. Don't act ignorant when people call you out on it.

I'll take apart the sentence for you..
You said it doesn't mean I would understand it if I was quoting from you..
But, who-so-ever said you can say that I can't understand?

Acting like a higher authority!~ Ha.

Give up then If that is what you wish to do, you are playing my game, after all..

I'm not doing anything but following the rules.

You should try it sometime. The both of you.

Well then, I guess I am the victor for tonight, because I say that is the main reason, J, won't stay on one topic until accusing me for another..Here they are.

~Hate
~Blaming
~Stereotyping
~Attempting to resolve the issue
He failed upon these subjects, he used some of his best techniques to shut the issue off...

But, my conclusion is that, allow religions to coexist, by not stereotyping them, even Atheism..Its not fair, and immature.
Gotta Go!~

"I knew the atheist of Current were lying about conversions. They do have a track record of lying."

attacking Current members...
unacceptable in Current's standards and rules.

"Got Atheism?

Got Zombie thinking? Yes you do."

hate and attacking Atheists...

hypocrite.

I am the only one of the few people that talked about the article. 95% of people here responded to what I had to say.

I am on topic.

due to the consistently illogical responses presented by J_J (for example, the bit about persons A, B & F was it?), not only repeatedly but always shrouded as obvious, (and spitefully at that!), i've concluded after consulting the DSM-4 that he is clinically delusional.

no more trying to reason with him people. he may as well not speak english.

Hey ...
delusional was my diagnosis earlier.....

I am good.

"I am the only one of the few people that talked about the article. 95% of people here responded to what I had to say.

I am on topic."

You seem to have a nack for that. Please note, I'm not saying that is either a good or a bad thing.

I cannot make people do anything. they choose to do it.

Jammer this little game you are playing is futile; claiming that you are "on topic" doesn't mean that you aren't purposefully inflammatory to elicit the responses that you get. It's been your MO forever! No one is fooled and no one is taking your call to "follow the rules" seriously because no one is convinced of your sincerity...

Jubal said the same thing I did, except the only difference is you agree with that statement so it's ok.

Strong opinion is what I have and so do you. Funny you don't like it when you have to fight against it.

I love strong opinions, but I love them more when they are sincere and not made for what appears to be the specific cause of riling people up. (I also love to fight, so that's not the issue either.)You know as well as anyone else that a person's religious or non-religious views don't dictate their morality, so saying that "atheism morality" in an oxymoron is a statement made just to piss people off - or is it not? Are you telling me that you honestly and sincerely think there are no moral atheists, or that morality needs to be tied to a religious belief?

When you state BUT it negates the things before. You either like or do not like strong opinions. I have strong, stubborn and difficult to take opinions and just because you want to quantify my thoughts into bating doesn't ever make it so. All it does is make you feel better.

Why did you avoid my question; I thought you were keeping things on topic? Guess not!

I don't have to feel better about anything; I'm feeling quite fine! You do bait people, you do make inflammatory statements just to get people upset, and you know it. You've admitted to me, so I don't need to prove anything to myself- as for everyone else, they know how you act too, it's no secret!

It's quite funny to me that you would play these silly games with people then act offended when you're called out on your nonsense. If you have a strong opinion on religion, tell it to us - but by arguing for the sake of argument it seems that you don't really have a particular opinion on anything; you're not interested in being understood or heard, only interested in annoying people until you get what you want; an angry or irrational response that you can use against them to prove they are just as "bad" as you.

I answered your question before you asked it:
Jubal said the same thing I did, except the only difference is you agree with that statement so it's ok.

---IS because theism is devoid of reason.-- say's Jubal

Before that confuses your soul--atheist like to pretend they are reasonable so they insult religious with them not being so. Religious people like to think they are moral so they insult atheist for not being so. It's the perfect mocking opposite.

How do you know that I agree with Jubal? I didn't imply that anywhere, I didn't respond to him in agreement or recommend his comment. Furthermore, Jubal claimed that morality is never rational; a statement like that would apply to "atheist morality" just as much as any other kind of morality. You did not argue THAT point, you said atheist morality is an oxymoron. You you disagree with Jubal that morality is irrational?

Why are you trying to make this about Jubal and take the focus off of you? Because you know what I'm saying is right? Because you don't like when people get too close to the truth about you?

Because that's who I was replying to as stated above.

And if you disagreed with his comment then you should have replied so. I got 43 replies with several from you.

I explained my comment countless times to people that claim to be reasonable and logical....and yet still 43 replies.

You disagreed with his comment, yet chose to place your disagreement as it's own comment, and not a direct response to his. You obviously wanted to open it up to the entire community. You didn't even put @jubal in your response; you never made it clear you were replying to jubal in the ways that you know you could have. You got 43 comments because you made a purposely inflammatory comment, then fanned the fire with a constant flow of responses to it.

You say "atheist like to pretend they are reasonable so they insult religious with them not being so. Religious people like to think they are moral so they insult atheist for not being so."

But I don't think that is just atheists vs religious people, it's how many people act. This behavior can not be simplified into "atheists do this" or "religious people are like this" - not much behavior can, really, that's why everyone jumps down the throat of the commentator making wild generalizations. If you feel you were targeted unfairly, I will agree with your past accusation of Current that it leans liberal and there are more liberal minded people with "strong opinions" here- this does mean you have no responsibility for the directions your conversations go. If you want to see more rational, on topic convo, less finger pointing and less stereotyping, lead by example!

It's amazing that I can make a mistake...

Good thing you're not pointing any fingers at me, then.

I'm not really trying to point fingers, just give you my interpretation of what's going on here. The only authority I can claim to have is liking Current and being familiar with it's users and "etiquette", even if I break it sometimes. If you want more productive conversation, spend less time telling us what you are against and more time showing us what you are about.

I can tell who likes Current and who does not. It's not that hard.

I do post what I like and what I believe. The difficult thing for those that don't see is to be in threads they don't normally go in....which is why I often complain about what floats to the top over what is seemingly more important news in certain ways.

I was paraphrasing a quote from Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World".

Just because someone writes something and someone else likes them...doesn't make it right nor smart.

"Just sayin"

kind of like a few thousand years ago christianity was compiled and lots of people liked it cause it answered all their human questions, such as "why do i exist?" and "what happens when i die?". doesn't make it smart or true.

"just saying".

What do you mean by "'Religious'"?

Atheism is just as dogmatic. If you apply reason, you'll find soon enough that you can't know if there is a god or not. Agnosticism is the only reasonable stance to take.

How can war be retarded? Bullets, missiles, airplanes....those things are all really fast.

Seriously though...stop talking. You don't make any sense.

from merriam-webster:

Main Entry: re·tard·ed
Pronunciation: \ri-ˈtär-dəd\
Function: adjective
Date: 1895

"sometimes offensive : slow or limited in intellectual or emotional development or academic progress"

sounds precisely like both religion AND war. jazmin makes no sense.

I'm surprised the person that hates the word Retarded being used in such a matter hasn't told you that they don't like it.

I guess they only like it when it's used against religion.

No all three of you are being stupid and rude. Lemme just let my cousin know that you think her mental capacities are akin to war and religious thought. It's offensive to everybody!

Not Jay.

nothing is offensive to the person who doesn't allow them self to be offended. we would all benefit from such high self-regard.

sugarlilly writes:
[from merriam-webster:

Main Entry: re·tard·ed
Pronunciation: \ri-ˈtär-dəd\
Function: adjective
Date: 1895

"sometimes offensive : slow or limited in intellectual or emotional development or academic progress"]

Do I really need to point out all of the technological advances that humans have developed because of war?

"technological advances" are not inherently good. but all the companies that manufacture and sell them sure want you to think that. you good capitalist you.

I don't remember saying that they were good or bad. I only pointed out that they exist and therefore your use of the word "retarded" was incorrect.

when you view war conceptually, you see that it is much much more than technological advancements and "fast things". it's brutal pointless killing instead of talking things out. which YES, is very possible. retarded meaning "limited in intellectual or emotional development" applies perfectly to senseless killing with an inability to talk through one's problems, does it not?

"Funny thing that foundation is mentioned when atheist do not have such to build their beliefs on."

Consider . . . Darwin

I did.

Darwin is just a floor. He could NEVER be a foundation. He doubted himself too much to be anything but a level. Probably 13.

How about Science?

Science is too general a term.

Since there are quite a number of religious people that benefit science in progressive ways it cannot be considered a foundation. Science doesn't solely back atheism or religious people wouldn't have anything to do with it.

re: "Darwin doubted himself", the man that christians claim to follow constantly doubted himself and what he was doing here--he asked his father several times according to the four public relations men who wrote the mostly fictitious story of this 'prophet'.

And that has to do with what? It doesn't prove that what I said was wrong. It only backed it.

And by the way....he wasn't a prophet.

an atheist and a religious person can't show where morals came from.

It is pretty obvious morals were conceived as part of the social contract in order to live in society. Don't kill me and I won't kill you. In no way could you say that God just passed it all on down through jesus because there were plenty of societies before jesus that had moral laws.
Otherwise we are people of nature.

They are not engraved in DNA.

No one mentioned Jesus and morals together.

That is a excessive load of stereotypes!~

Hahaha, what a clusterfuck of nonsense! There's no point in even trying to break down everything wrong with the original post; it's so insanely off base and discriminatory against atheists, it's a wonder anyone even took it seriously!

Who the fuck is "person B".
What the hell happened to "Person F"?

did God kill him and replace him with person B?

u baffle me with your bullshit...................

"Why do atheist love to masturbate in public? It's gross'

you know that voids your whole argument ...right?

you r just trolling now.............

and here is where he flags instead of taking what he dishes.

J_Jammer your original post was right on! Also, your comment on science and religious people was right. Christians do believe in science.Thank you for your intelligent answers, seriously. It's nice to read something that actually makes a bit of sense.

@anna, Whatever stereotypes may you believe about Atheists, it wouldn't be considered entirely true, saying the same for Christians...

One person got it enough. The others were lost in their own dislikes.

I'm just telling it like what it is, in everyone's perspective, not my own...

Identifying only one, you are only supporting your own statement.

I told you, that you are finally choosing sides, equality doesn't matter to you..
You only to want to listen to those who agree with you..Pitiful.

I did exactly what the article did. You don't agree because you like the article. But what you stated about what I said is exactly the point I'm making...but you didn't get that...so I couldn't give you a point for that.

You make me laugh.

You purpose that I, like this article? When I clearly pointed out its full of stereotypes?

You certainly do have the habit of
"Jumping the gun".

Is that why you are commonly incorrect towards me, everytime we two debate?

My point stands, about you having these stereotypes, also you are ignoring my fact that the blaming you have been doing isn't going resolve..
Try again as many times as you like..
Please and Thank you.

My point stands.

I'm playing your game.

You jumped the gun on me as well. Seems you don't like it and yet you do it.

You explain why I so-called jumped the gun on you, I didn't assume anything you haven't did..
I read your post and responded accordingly..

That is a excessive load of stereotypes!~

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Jump the gun assuming what I had post is as you state.

If one had to point out a lie on this page....your post would be one to point at.

And how was : "Why do atheist love to masturbate in public? It's gross."
And, "Devote is what explains many atheist. They believe what they are told."

NOT Stereotyping??
Its stereotyping. If you have your own definition of stereotyping, explain what that means..

how CUTE! j_j & anna have been equally indoctrinated! why don't you two start a church? no! better yet, get married to populate the earth thereby fulfilling god's will! your spot in heaven is just waiting for you!!

Metal....

Do you like deeper thinking at all? Or you just go on what you first see?

Because if you go on what you first see then I can excuse why you can't catch on.

"I knew the atheist of Current were lying about conversions. They do have a track record of lying."

attacking Current members...
unacceptable in Current's standards and rules.

"Got Atheism?

Got Zombie thinking? Yes you do."

hate and attacking Atheists...

hypocrite.

Neither were personal.

"Do you like deeper thinking at all? Or you just go on what you first see?

Because if you go on what you first see then I can excuse why you can't catch on."

How does that apply to, "Why do atheist love to masturbate in public? It's gross."?

Unless we are missing a hidden context here, it's pretty strait forward. It's like looking at the sky and saying it's blue only to have someone reply, "Do you like deeper thinking at all? Or do you just go on what you first see?" You can stare at the sky until your eyes bleed, but unless you go completely colorblind the sky will still be blue. If there is a hidden context to the comment about atheists masturbating though then please feel free to explain it. Is it perhaps a euphemism?

The only reason one masturbates is for selfish needs.

I think its a bad metaphor but its better than arguing over the baseball in the article.

example 2 of clinically delusional: "The only reason one masturbates is for selfish needs."

I am one selfish MoFo

in the worrld of porn all christains love masterbateing fucking animal fucking same sex all other catergories wearing thier iced out crosses tattooed crosses and jesus and mary on thier backs what im not on the athiest side but they do make sense christains if they are not klaning or neo natziing or adolf hitlering or niggass gang banging pimping and murdering in the name of christ im not a believer and you all havent created a grain of sand saying im not saved, i feel athiests are and i doubt you christians all are

Well, as someone who still considers himself a Christian (albeit a doubting Thomas one), I've found that, sadly, many religious folks *are* like the ones described in that article, so I can't really complain.

And Christopher Hitchens is a prominent atheist and he's pretty aggressive and non-timid. Penn Jillette comes across as aggressive, too, although he still respects believers on a personal level (the feeling's mutual). Richard Dawkins is quite cordial, but still not timid.

You just called Richard Dawkins cordial? hah! He's constantly hurling insults at religious people. It undermines any of the validity in his arguments.

nothing is an insult unless one allows themselves to be insulted. there is choice in everything. or for the religious, "free will".

From what I have been seeing for months about the Current is concept of blaming..

We need to stop blame in order to have religion and non-religion coexist, at least for Current..

@ Quixotic

To be fair Richard Dawkins will shake your hand and have a pleasant meal with you no matter your beliefs.

Christopher Hitchens will do the same but just before he shakes your hand he may call you a "Fucking idiot" for believing in god (I'm paraphrasing)

So "comparatively" speaking Richard Dawkins is more Cordial