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US and Europe Enraged Over Greek Democratic Referendum To Approve Eu Bail-Out Deal

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JanforGore
George Papandreou has announced that there will be a Greek referendum to approve the EU bail-out deal

GREECE'S astonishing decision to call a referendum – "a supreme act of democracy and of patriotism", in the words of premier George Papandreou – has more or less killed last week’s EU summit deal.

The markets cannot wait three months to find out the result, and nor is China going to lend much money to the EFSF bail-out fund until this is cleared up. The whole edifice is already at risk of crumbling. Société Générale is down 15pc this morning. The FTSE MIB index in Milan has crashed 7pc. Italian bond spreads have jumped to 450 basis points.

Unless the European Central Bank step in very soon and on a massive scale to shore up Italy, the game is up. We will have a spectacular smash-up.

If handled badly, the disorderly insolvency of the world’s third largest debtor with €1.9 trillion in public debt and nearer €3.5 trillion in total debt would be a much greater event than the fall of Credit Anstalt in 1931. (Let me add that Italy is not fundamentally insolvent. It is only in these straits because it does not have a lender of last resort, a sovereign central bank, or a sovereign currency. The euro structure itself has turned a solvent state into an insolvent state. It is reverse alchemy.)

The Anstalt debacle triggered the European banking collapse, set off tremors in London and New York, and turned recession into depression. Within four months the global financial order had essentially disintegrated.

That is the risk right now as the reality of Europe’s make-up becomes clear.

The Greek referendum – if it is not overtaken by a collapse of the government first – has left officials in Paris, Berlin, and Brussels speechless with rage. The ingratitude of them.

The spokesman of French president Nicolas Sarkozy (himself half Greek, from Thessaloniki) said the move was “irrational and dangerous”. Rainer Brüderle, Bundestag leader of the Free Democrats, said the Greeks appear to be “wriggling out” of a solemn commitment. They face outright bankruptcy, he blustered.

Well yes, but at least the Greeks are stripping away the self-serving claims of the creditor states that their “rescue” loan packages are to “save Greece”.

They are nothing of the sort. Greece has been subjected to the greatest fiscal squeeze ever attempted in a modern industrial state, without any offsetting monetary stimulus or devaluation.

The economy has so far collapsed by 14pc to 16pc since the peak – depending who you ask – and is spiralling downwards at a vertiginous pace.

The debt has exploded under the EU-IMF Troika programme. It is heading for 180pc of GDP by next year. Even under the haircut deal, Greek debt will be 120pc of GDP in 2020 after nine years of depression. That is not cure, it is a punitive sentence.

Every major claim by the inspectors at the outset of the Memorandum has turned out to be untrue. The facts are so far from the truth that it is hard to believe they ever thought it could work. The Greeks were made to suffer IMF austerity without the usual IMF cure. This was done for one purpose only, to buy time for banks and other Club Med states to beef up their defences.

It was not an unreasonable strategy (though a BIG LIE), and might not have failed entirely if the global economy recovered briskly this year and if the ECB had behaved with an ounce of common sense. Instead the ECB choose to tighten.

When the history books are written, I think scholarship will be very harsh on the handful of men running EMU monetary policy over the last three to four years. They are not as bad as the Chicago Fed of 1930 to 1932, but not much better.

So no, like the Spartans, Thebans, and Thespians at the Pass of Thermopylae, the Greeks were sacrificed to buy time for the alliance.

The referendum is a healthy reminder that Europe is a collection of sovereign democracies, tied by treaty law for certain arrangements. It is a union only in name.
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31 comments // US and Europe Enraged Over Greek Democratic Referendum To Approve Eu Bail-Out Deal

  • JanforGore
  • Vic_Romano
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • Vic_Romano:

      From the Reuters story:

      "Venizelos, one of the most powerful men in the PASOK government, originally supported Papandreou's plan. His change of mind came after he and Papandreou attended an emergency summit in Cannes on Wednesday with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Nicolas Sarkozy."

      They left something out of that. The head of the IMF was at that meeting as well. So in order to sink the referendum and get what they want, the opposition would let the government fall to get a vote with a "new" leadership that will give the IMF and the banks what they want. Business and machinations as usual. And yes, I think people both in politics and the media here need to study some maps.

    • 7 months ago
  • Vic_Romano
  • lazloman
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      lazloman  
    • Greece is going down the tubes no matter what they do. The only question left is whether they will get to keep their national assets. Putting the IMF plan up to a vote almost assures that it will fail and Greece will go into bankruptcy. This will be a disaster, but at least they get to keep their assets and can recover over time.

    • 7 months ago
  • JanforGore
  • Leen61
  • JanforGore
  • Leen61
  • lazloman
  • Leen61
  • alexandrek
  • JanforGore
    • +1
      JanforGore  
    • alexandrek:

      The IMF is once again knocking at their doors. Privatization of their water and resources will be the only way to secure any loans given. The people of Greece deserve to have a chance to vote on that.

    • 7 months ago
  • alexandrek
  • alexandrek
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • alexandrek:

      They are crashing the whole Europe? Seriously? This is exactly why they want a referendum... because they do not wish to be used as the fall guy for the EU that crashed themselves. And because the fine print of this "deal" is being monkeyed with by the bankers who are trying to stick Greece with more debt in the longrun which will lead to more austerity measures and again, the IMF at their door. It appears the EU in this case is only looking out for itself as an entity and not caring about the separate countries involved and their circumstances regardless of how they got there. And speaking of bias, you seem downright hateful at them. You applaud OWS but spit on the people of Greece wanting to break their own chains from the manipulative banks? I guess the definition of democracy depends on how personal it is.

    • 7 months ago
  • JanforGore
  • theoutcrop
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      theoutcrop  
    • I wish Greece well. Their current condition of economic enslavement is a result of a obsolete one sided economic model that no longer reflects reality in the 21st century. The same can be said for whats been happening here in the US. Perhaps Greece will be the first of many countries to break her chains to the Banks.

    • 7 months ago
  • PunxatawnyPhil
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      PunxatawnyPhil  
    • I personally think there may be more truth to this article than many would like to admit. Of course the Greeks are playing this close to the bone, they've been pushed into a corner, regardless of the reasons. These are not a primitive People, deliberation and consensus is prudent in their view. (like Syria's methods better?)
      I wish them (and us) all the luck in the world, but I really doubt luck has much to do with it. We should all be having a long discussion, realizing we are all in this together, seeking consensus or other options.
      I honestly believe there are mutual solutions, if we were more transparent and forthright. We are really not divided, but all the same. However, the Truth definitely does 'hurt'.

    • 7 months ago
  • PaulQuessy
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      PaulQuessy  
    • Read the tipping point by Malcom Gladwell, when we are proposed with the situations and environments in which the `1%` exist WE will ALL act in the same fashion of/as the 1% did. We are no different from them. Stop blame and start taking responsibility for what we all, as humanity, have come to accept and allow this system to exist as and support a better system. This movement does not support a better system only the beheading of the 1%.

    • 7 months ago
  • PunxatawnyPhil
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      PunxatawnyPhil  
    • PaulQuessy:

      No one said as individual Americans we would be any less a product of our own environment than the existing so called 1 percent. But wait a second, we're not looking for the 'beheading' of the 1 percent as you claim. This attitude is a recent occurrence and only arose after they blatantly passed Citizen's United and 'flat out' bought the midterm.... and then with their 'success' proceeded to block ANY 'real' change, exactly what was overwhelmingly voted for prior. So can you blame us for this attitude? I think not, it is called for, in my mind a 'push back'.

      And it is only a deserved attitude, and not a desire to persecute as you infer. When Democracy is no longer 'for sale', bypassed, and positive changes are made, there will be no grudges held, no headhunting. We are not against the success of the 1 percent, they are part of the whole also, but only against their claim to rule. We are not looking for scapegoats or free rides, only for nothing more or less than Justice, solution, and a voice.

      You cannot improve or support a better system until you find one, and you cannot find one unless you're looking. Because answers do not fall from the sky, is exactly the reason why we are pushing for this 'debate'.

    • 7 months ago
  • PaulQuessy
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      PaulQuessy  
    • PunxatawnyPhil:

      equalmoneydotorg, It has also been suggested that the movement take on the the BIG program, and use that for direction. BIG=(Basic Income Grant). I do not know the specific ins and outs as you have written but there are new systems. Understand that with money as power in this world, the more money one has, the more `power` one has, thus through accepting the captialistic system we are inheritantly accepting few to have more `power` than others. In these new systems there is no more or no less, what is needed is provided unconditionally, to all that are here on this Earth because, simply, they are here on this Earth, no game of money within winning and losing. No more world staged casino.

    • 7 months ago
  • nikonwilly
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      nikonwilly  
    • When people understand the truth ...corruption doesn't stand a chance!
      The 1% are only getting what they deserve ....think of the years they have been stealing from the citizens of the world!!! It's time to end their fraud and deceit.
      United we will win divided we will fail!

    • 7 months ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • http://www.prospect.org/article/bravo-papandreou
      "Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou says his country will hold a referendum on a new European debt deal reached last week.

      Greek Prime Minister Georgios Papandreou startled Europe and the financial world Monday by announcing that he will be calling a referendum on the terms of the latest deal negotiated by European leaders and bankers.

      What is the Greek leader up to?

      On one level, Papandreou is simply weary of being the agent of his own country’s economic destruction at the hands of bankers. He also is tired of the political unpopularity that comes with the role of broker of austerity.

      But more important, Papandreou is resisting a double-cross already being cooked up by the bankers. He is playing the one card he has: If the bankers walk away from the partial debt relief committed in principle at the recent EU summit, Greece will default. And Papandreou wants that decision to be made, knowingly, by the Greek people and not by technocrats.

      Here is what’s happening behind the scenes.

      Charles Dallara, negotiating on behalf of the bankers, agreed to a 50 percent reduction in the amount of Greek government debt held by banks (a “haircut”), but the bankers are already trying to take a much smaller loss by monkeying with the fine print. By varying the details of interest rates and payback periods, bankers could end up losing a lot less than 50 percent—and Greece could end up getting a lot less than 50 percent debt relief.

      Bottom line, Greece could wind up right back in the austerity trap, where the more the Greeks tighten their belts to pay debt, the more the economy collapses under them.

      Bankers have already quietly unloaded a lot of Greek sovereign debt to hedge funds, and it’s not clear what kind of losses hedge funds are willing to take.

      Even if bankers and hedge funds do take the full 50 percent loss as advertised, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund, which together hold about one third of Greece’s roughly 350 billion euro Greek debt, expect to be paid in full. The official agencies are set to help Greece in other ways, by advancing the Greek government additional funds through the new European bailout agency, the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF). But this is … still more debt on terms yet to be defined.

      Then there is the problem of Greece’s own banks and its pension funds, which hold nearly $70 billion of Greek debt, and also ordinary businesses in Greece that are reliant on bank credit. If an exception from the 50 percent loss is not made for Greece’s own banks, their capital will be wiped out. The deal is supposed to include new capital from the ESFS for Greece’s banks, but that is not a done deal either.

      In the meantime, Greece is supposed to continue with its program of stringent austerity to reassure the bankers and Europe’s political mandarins. But with this latest deal negotiated last week, Greece’s bankers as well as its workers and street protesters began sounding alarms.


      At some point, enough is enough, and if the terms turn out to be one more tightening of the noose, Greece could have less to lose by just defaulting. At least that is Papandreou’s not-so-tacit threat".

    • 7 months ago
  • NiceN
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      NiceN  
    • Greece has been at it for a while, true democracy indeed. The entire globe should have a go at a referendum due to the globalization of greed.

    • 7 months ago
  • Vic_Romano
  • JanforGore
  • JanforGore
  • JanforGore
    • +4
      JanforGore  
    • Viva Greece! Why should they be used as the fall guy for the EU, an organization of states in name only that cares nothing for the whole but only their own skins? I say, give Greece their referendum. It is the right and Democratic thing to do.

    • 7 months ago
  • bailey78
  • JanforGore
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