Culture | January 15, 2012 | 24 comments

The Venus Project

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Imagine the near future: Money is obsolete. All needs and wants are free for the taking. Society is reshaped in a manner that eliminates greed, corruption, waste, and most crime. Now imagine that we could start designing and building that future today.


That is exactly what Jacque Fresco has been planning for quite some time. In all my 55 years, I can't believe I just recently heard about Jacque and the Venus Project.

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  • Naumadd
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      Naumadd  
    • It is a project I would be a part of in a heartbeat IF there is a guarantee 1) that everyone involved lived by this code - no human shall prey upon another human being. Consistent adherence to that one principle is the only thing that can ensure a civilized culture no matter how its members decide to organize themselves.

      Yes, I agree the planet's resources are our common heritage - along with all other species on the planet. It is a finite planet with finite resources, thus humanity must keep its demand upon those resources finite by keeping its numbers under control. It's a good plan ...

      ... but only if all its members agree on the principles that guide its existence and progress. If they do not, humanity will find itself right back where it is now - predators versus prey.

      A lack of genuine civilization.

    • 4 months ago
  • Kelly_Balthrop
  • ampersand
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      ampersand  
    • It's always good to look forward in a positive way.
      I'm too often alone in the garden of resignation these days with only the birds and trees and the sad smile of my own alienation to keep me company.
      I must say I liked the World Clock in the Live World Data section.
      Knowing is a good place to start. It always has been a battle against ignorance and inertia.
      The real world---that is, the one we create--does begin in the imagination, so why not?

    • 4 months ago
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  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • I've bookmarked that site, I don't have time right now to study it. I fear that this project will go the same way all utopias have gone. One can't teach an old dog new tricks, so to speak.

    • 4 months ago
  • Kelly_Balthrop
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      Kelly_Balthrop  
    • Vierotchka:

      Actually, Jacque does not like to refer to the project as a utopia. The word Utopia conjures a feeling of the ultimate social perfection. He will be the first to admit that what he offers is not perfection, it's just better than what we have now. It will be up to future generations to keep improving it.

    • 4 months ago
  • Frosty46
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      Frosty46  
    • V, Bellamy's writings would upset the appplecart hence the lack of exposure. Our society is very carefully guarded by our pols, rev's and $ controllers.

      I will investigate and thanks for the exposure!

    • 4 months ago
  • artemis6
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      artemis6  
    • Oh , one more thing , it would be perfect if we could , once a year , put a big man in the center , and BURN it , with fireworks fire dancers and stuff like that . We could just mix the ashes into our compost ....

    • 4 months ago
  • remanns
  • Kelly_Balthrop
  • artemis6
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  • VFORVENDETTA
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      VFORVENDETTA  
    • "In all my 55 years, I can't believe I just recently heard about Jacque and the Venus Project."

      So tell me, in all your 55 years, did you ever hear of someone by the name of Edward Bellamy? (26 March 1850 – 22 May 1898) he wrote a very famous book named Looking Backward in 1888, which was a sensation.

      The book was such a sensation in fact, that Bellamy societies were formed, ( yes even in the US) trying to utilize the basic concepts from the book, they eventually faded into obscurity not so much because the precepts are unworkable, but primarily because the precepts are not workable in a capitalist society, it's a wonderful book, and should be required reading for all high school students.

      The very basic story of the book, which of course he written at the dawn of the industrial revolution, is that a very wealthy robber baron, who has viewpoints of the world typical of industrialist of that time period, has his black servant man, put him to sleep in his specially designed sealed vault, he wakes up, to find himself in the 21st-century, In a world which is utterly and completely alien to the world he left behind, he is basically a revered talking living museum piece, to 21st-century scientists and society as a whole, where he is conversing, With those who are now in the future, explaining to them how things were in the past -which they are mostly thoroughly knowledgeable of- and how he is enlightened by the way things are done in the time present, it's a truly great book, and I'm surprised it has not been made into a movie, since it is at least as good as journey to the center of the earth, yet what is being demonstrated, is just as relevant today, as it was when published in 1888.

    • 4 months ago
  • artemis6
  • Kelly_Balthrop
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      Kelly_Balthrop  
    • VFORVENDETTA:

      Thanks VFORVENDETTA . It would be very difficult to do this while Capitalism survives. Personally I think Capitalism has a very short fuse burning before it implodes. Something like this could rise from the ashes to replace it.

    • 4 months ago
  • Naumadd
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      Naumadd  
    • VFORVENDETTA:

      A genuinely capitalist society isn't predatory. It depends on and functions through the rational and reasonable free exchange of value for value. If your economy functions by the competition of predator versus prey, you do not have capitalism.

      All you have is the tired old story of law of the jungle. The dream of a civilized human culture was to eliminate law of the jungle from human relationships. Sadly, that dream was held by few, misunderstood by many, poorly executed and actively despised by some.

    • 4 months ago
  • Naumadd
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      Naumadd  
    • Kelly_Balthrop:

      What will die isn't capitalism but rather those pretenders to the name. Dreams of an egalitarian society are dead on arrival. Humans are amazing beings because they are NOT equal. They each have unique talents, unique experiences, unique knowledge and skill and unique perspectives. Trying to make them equal destroys what is best in them. Only a culture that guarantees the individual respect for who they truly are - respect for their inequalities - can be called civilized. Lack of respect for the individual is the old predator vs. prey model. The only economic system consistent with civilized principles is capitalism - the rational and reasonable exchange of value for value.

      If that is not the nature of what you have, what you have isn't capitalism.

      An egalitarian society seeks to underpay some in order to overpay others. It seeks to ignore the fact that some are superior creators of value and some either unable or unwilling to create any value at all. It survives only by taking by force what the supercreator provides to make up for the low standard of living of the unable and unwilling. It is far from civilized in that the egalitarian society - not a genuinely capitalist society - allows human to prey upon human in order to create some mythical "equality".

      In a capitalist society, a human being receives exactly what they have earned - no more, no less. In an egalitarian society, no one receives what they earned - ever.

    • 4 months ago
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