Palin, Biden face off in VP debate

Palin is a fool. The only reason that McCain had for picking her was totaly political. Honestly would you want this woman in charge. She didn't even pronounce the name of our top general in Afgahnistan properly on national television. She should have done better considering that she had an entire week of prep work done at McCains house. Biden went to soft on her though I will admit that.

The funniest thing, and also the thing that typifies the intelligence of a great many far right whackos, is that McCainiac was posting on here, the whole time thinking it was going on Twitter. As Bugs Bunny would say "what a maroon"

At the debate last night, Sen. Biden argued that (a) that we had 'kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon' and (b) he and Obama had suggested sending NATO troops to Lebanon to 'fill the vacuum': Biden at Last Night's Debate: When we kicked -- along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said and Barack said, 'Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don't know -- if you don't, Hezbollah will control it.' Now what's happened? Hezbollah is a legitimate part of the government in the country immediately to the north of Israel. My question, or rather, questions: Is he on drugs? Exactly when did this kicking occur? Has anyone alerted Sheikh Nasrallah? And the NATO claim is just a riot. Obviously, there was no vacuum to fill since Hezbollah has only grown in strength in Lebanon since 1983, but has anyone seen something, anything, to support the claim that Biden or Obama wanted NATO in Lebanon -- a proposal that would have been wildly controversial and would have made ballistic the hard Left voters they were then bending over backwards to attract? On the off chance Biden simply misspoke and was actually talking about kicking Syria out of Lebanon, (a) we didn't do that either -- they've never stopped operating there, (b) Hezbollah was part of the Lebanese government well before demands for a Syrian pull-out began in 2005, (c) Biden's 'fill the vacuum' whopper still makes no sense because Hezbollah retained military control of southern Lebanon regardless of Syria, and (d) again, where is the proof that Biden or Obama wanted NATO to replace Syria -- which would have pitted it against Hezbollah and invited a reprise of the 1983 Marine barracks bombing?

Our business taxes are higher than France for two reasons in my opinion. 1.) Their personal taxes are way way higher. and 2.) They have nowhere near the military budget that we have to keep up with. Ok, one more 3.) France and most other western developed countries are not subsidizing the rest of the world with aid to keep those other countries alive, as we do.

The best thing I would be able to say as far as studying this is to look at how each of the countries budgets are divided

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I was really hoping for a you tube moment. Palin held on for dear life instead.

I felt that both were very good in this debate. Joe Biden appeared reserved and experienced, Palin appeared charismatic and charming. However, (and perhaps my views are biased,) I felt as though Biden won this debate. While Palin was very clear and articulate, she failed to answer some of the questions straight-forward, and remained vague. I believe Biden did his best to answer the questions and discuss Obama's plans. A good debate, and one in which I am pleased with the end result.

McCain heath plan over 10 years would cost 1.3 TRILLION $. Budget neutral? Love that phrase. Nuttin's budget neutral these days, honey. Your party ensured that we will be digging ourselves out for the next 10 years or more.

Biden stuck to the facts.
Palin was all style no substance.

Biden 1 / Palin 0

Look, this is politics. And the responses are following the same path. Partisan minds trying to justify their particular candidates. The fact of the matter is both have shortcomings in their debate points. Palin, though well spoken and lucid, did not address any point directly, and relied on her charm more than actual facts and strong discourse, which is probably the way to go for her. Biden is a strong statesman, but even he massages some of the facts to his advantage. I think Biden was a bit closer to ground so to speak in terms of discussing policy, but he is still a politician is going to use the facts in a way that benefits him and his party. I have no concern in debating who won and who didn't. My concern is which candidate is the best for the American people, realistically. And to be honest, that is a question that I am still trying to answer...

Bidens facts arent strait. Palin won.

Palin did alot better than i thought she would. Biden was neutral the entire time. It's Obama's job to be subtle and cool, I was really angry that Biden didn't take advantage of the situation and go on attack, he would of completely smoked Palin if he did. Although the bridge to nowhere reference was brilliant.

Please get this fact people... CLean coal is not Green!

The teleprompter comment was not literal. What the poster meant was that her responses were scripted. She is like the girl in the high school play who mechanically recites her lines. She was a bobbing marionette. The real Palin was the one we saw trying to think of a Supreme Court case in the interview with Couric.

Looks like all the Obama (Oprah book club members) are in shock and awe. Great job Sarah!!!

Did any one notice that she almost never answered the questions. She is an insult to politics and debating.

that was a great debate

there were only a few dodged questions

and i was impressed by both of them

If I wanted to hire a flirty, gum popping waitress, Palin would be my pick. If I'm looking for substance, Biden is easily the professional choice. At times I was amazed that Palin didn't come out in a cheerleader outfit.

Palin spoke like a student that is repeating by heart the right wing script. She sounded completely scripted throughout the whole debate. She did not had any original thoughts. She has to thank her political life to those who prepare her for this debate. At times she choose to ignore answering some questions because the answer to those were not given to her before hand.
I feel that is so stupid that some voters identify with her because supposedly "She is one of us," due to the fact that she chooses to speak like a hick. I would have thought that the logical thing to do is to choose somebody for this job that is more knowledgeable than must of us, not the opposite.

Although Sarah Palin as a Vice President is not part of Congress, I believe she will be able to bring out the best in them. She has this unifier and team player aura that is contagious. She is Americana at its best. Palin inspires and gives hope and is NOT FOR SALE; these are qualities that are shamefully lacking in our United States of America Speaker of the House who has stock in Pickens. There is nothing Bushy or Obamishy about her, she knows how to take the bull by its horns.

BTW WHY DO I HAVE TO HELP PUERTO-RICAN RUM OR WOODEN ARROWS, WHAT HAS THAT TO DO WITH THE MESS WE ARE IN? I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHOSE THE IDIOT WHO PROPOSED THESE ITEMS!!

Palin did much better then most people thought she would. Didn't trip up in her words at all. She had Biden on the defense the whole time and ran the show. Although she was very general in some parts and didn't answer some of Bidens responses, there was only so much time. Neither has all the answers. For all the good things Palin or Biden would say, they also had an equal amount of bad things to say. They both fail on the gay marriage issue and the war.

She said everything the Average Joe needs to hear. "If you go to a soccer game on Saturday, you hear about the Economy" "John McCain never meant the Economy was Good, he meant the American Companies, innovation and bla bla is strong".

'Don't use the Credit Cards!, what did your parents say when you had your first Credit Card"

"American people are not responsible for this bad Economy"

It's all trash, it's all crap and it's talking to the stupid Joe.

Palin hardly answered any of the questions put toward her. All she did was go back to the same points and catch phrases over and over again. Seriously as an American, can you imagine her representing you to foreign countries? Do you really think she would be a good image of who we are in this country? If she were to ever become president, I have a feeling she would be more hated then Bush.

lots of new right wing trolls out tonight...or is it just the same old ones with new accounts?

Palin wants to be Cheney...except she's not as smart but I'm sure has the same capacity for evil as he does.

Is Nukelar a branch of theoretical physics only known to a select few scientists, or is it code word spoken by a secret society within the government? I'm afraid to know...

They both did well. Dealing with all the media's scrutiny,
Palin made sure she was prepared, at times she looked a bit robotic but prepared none the less.

Folks, do you really have the sense to believe Sarah Palin?

Joe Bidden took it easy on her, wisely, because the strategy is all about letting her self destruct. This woman can't even pronounce the word "Nuclear", for crissakes!

If Joe Bidden would have taken her to task, the media would have flipped it over and concentrate on taking things out of context. Just because she has a vagina doesn't mean anything, Sarah Palin is an insult to any person with remote common sense.

Palin is a good political tap dancer and boy howdy, you good ol' boys. But, as far as being the 2nd in command in our country, forget it. Give me a break. She never really answered a question. Joe Biden is so in touch and so right on. Bottom line is: Obama and Biden can help the regular hard working people. McCain (billionaire) and Palin (phony, oil hungry millionaire) are following in the Bush/Cheney oil-advocate millionaires. Get real.

Ok, I just finished watching the last hour and a bit of the debate. Wow, what a scorcher! I loved seeing them call each other on certain points, but still being polite and respectful. Joe breaking up when talking about his family's car accident brought a tear to my eye. Palin actually impressed me. She strings together sentences well and thinks very quickly on her feet. She's excellent at making eye contact with the camera. But the way she danced around topics without answering the questions with any substance was so transparent!

And is it just me, or did Palin completely not understand the meaning of "achilles heel?"

wtf! is this shiz rigged< so only certain comments get through?!!!!!

By the way . . . did anyone notice some weirdness going on with Joe's eyes and along his temples? Did he tapelift?

maverick! the only thing maverick is the sheer multiple uses of the word! kill me!

I should have grabbed a comic book and taken a really long dump instead of watching those politicians dance around the meat of the issues, throwing flower petals like naive little children.

Just more oatmeal.

Though there was a big folksy turd in the bowl Palin passed me. Boo. Can't believe she actually expected me to eat that, the patronizing nether lip.

Biden won for actually answering the questions.

PS -
The "small town" is not America, whatever that means.
The earth is not the center of the F#%^&ING universe.
Science has pretty much proved this, just like the fact that humans caused global warming.
For Christ's pus-f****ing sake, people need to wake up and shake off the leashes.

o wow i was watching the replay......she did worse then i thought.....not only did she not answer the questions......she may have not understood them......for instance.....what is your achilles heel?...I dont think she knows what achilles heel means....yikes.....could of been a gotcha question i guess

I used to respect mckain when i was in highschool. But now i just cant stand the amount of bullshit that spews from him. He's just one big act always telling stories of the past that make the hallmark company wanna puke. Sara palin was a very good idea for a stage prop to target women voters. i cant believe some of his ads about obama to, like the one about how hilary was right about the issues but because of obama you wont be able to see her elected. thats like wispering in some one ear"hey that guy fucked your wife you shouldnt trust him" even though that guy was trying to fuck the target as well. I hate the way palin talks about things she sounds like such a dumbass with her stupid little quirks like o i think your strechin the truth abit and america knows that a soccer moms gotta give spankin on your lil behind. And she just wont stop driving that small town close nit community shit thats supposed to give you a sense of brady bunch happy day go to yer county fair type a feel. and they just wont stop attacking even though you hardly ever see obama attack

Dear Gov. Palin,
Are you stupid, or do you just act that way during interviews so people don't expect any substance from you? At any rate we, don't need another under-educated, uninformed, and misguided talking monkey on strings anywhere near the White House.

no more bible verses< as a christian it's great, but also as a spectrum loving open hearted/minded individual who loves other people within other religions it's offensive.

Is is my imagination that the McCainiac fellow seems very hateful, mean spirited
desperate, very similar to the politicians he follows?

Jessica from Salon should be embarassed!!!!!!

I've seen your responses on screen.but what a waste!

I am ready to kick the entire Republican Party to the curb. I am so tired of this 2 faced junk I am hearing, good God. John McCain was in caught, by the ding dang enemy, how is that a good thing,

Debate 101 - you answer the question you are given! You dont show your hand, by saying "I might not answer the question you ask, so ill answer the way I want to!"

Talk about the difference in experience!

Palin has vanity- thats it! No substance!

Neocons/fascists leave the denial on the doorstep!

Damn girl answer the question in front of you and get off the self serving patter you are shoveling at us.

why, oh why can't current.com get nested comments and paging right? it's embarrassing having to click to page 7 then go back to page 4 to see any actual comments....

Hey isabella98 and FLSunshine. Stop making multiple accounts. I'm suspecting you're one person who is creating multiple accounts to show a false audience that supports your arguments. It's not working.

palin is a gilf!!!!!!
palin is a gilf!!!!!!!!!

Thank you Sarah Palin for your MTV Spring Break inspired "shout out." It was all too powerful. How dare Biden go up against such superior intellect.

Biden is atleast somewhat addressing the issues, Palin just avoids, avoids, and avoids somemore. It's like a bad game of dodgeball

I know Sarah P. that youcan't marry me,
But will you be my VP

Good beauty show. She wants world peace!!

holy moley palin a gilf

Democratic vice presidential nominee Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. appeared to incorrectly outline the constitutional role of the job he's seeking in Thursday's debate.

In attacking Vice President Dick Cheney, Mr. Biden said the vice president's only role is to support the president and to preside over the Senate "only in a time when in fact there's a tie vote. The Constitution is explicit."

The Constitution, though, actually says the vice president is always president of the Senate and legal scholars say he has the right to preside at any time. Early vice presidents, such as Thomas Jefferson, actively exercised that role, the vice president still keeps offices at the Capitol, and scholars say it wasn't until the middle of the 20th century that the vice president had an office at the executive office building.

The president pro tempore, usually the senior senator from the majority party, takes over only when the vice president is absent. In recent practice, as the vice president has taken a bigger role in the executive, that's meant the Senate operates almost all of the time without the vice president in the chair.

The Obama campaign didn't return a message for comment left late Thursday, after the debate.

For her part Republican vice presidential nominee Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin said she plans to take the vice president's role of president of the Senate seriously.

"I'm thankful the Constitution would allow a bit more authority given to the vice president if that vice president so chose to exert it in working with the Senate and making sure that we are supportive of the president's policies and making sure too that our president understands what our strengths are," she said.

Mr. Biden, who's been in the Senate for three decades, also mistakenly stated that the executive branch is defined in Article I of the Constitution. In fact, Article I describes the legislature, while Article II lays out the executive.

my conclusion is this. its too bad sarahs summer debate camp only briefed her on the basics. enough to at least make it through this debate, whew! she definitely regurgitated some information that was spoon fed to her. the question that scared me most was what if the president passed away what would the vp do. can you imagine that? palin....president. she would have to go back to school and brush up on world and US history, politics and geography. is there a quick summer camp for that?

When s political debate or discussion is going on, how many times have we heard reference to the upper class(wealthy) and the middle class (25,000) or more yearly income? HEY ALL OF YOU UP THERE IN WASHINGTON WHO VOTE FOR TAX BREAKS! DID YOU EVER HERE OF THE LOWER INCOME FAMILIES? THAT IS US LITTLE PEOPLE WHO MAKE AN AVERAGE YEARLY INCOME WAY BELOW $25,000. We are forced to live in subsidy housing or sub-standard rentals. Some of us senior citizens or disabled have to live on monthly fixed incomes. Many are caught in a situation similar to the old mouse trap. You can't get a job because you can't afford to buy a car to get there and can't afford insurance and gas if you did have one! We feel lucky to be able to feed our kids one meal a day for dinner every night and thank God for free breakfast and lunch at school or they would be going hungry! HEY YOU POLITICIONS WHO ARE SO QUICK TO MAKE TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH, HOW ABOUT SENDING SOME OF THOSE TAX BREAKS OUR WAY FOR A CHANGE?

I have to say..Palin really pissed me off with her "gosh darns" and her "darn-tootins" I m from a small town and i wasnt feeling that at all...Her ability to dance around the questions was mindblowing and her maverick cheerleadering was annoying... Biden seemed like he didnt get any sleep..and was hard to show emotion on camera until the end..

Biden won this one..the thing i noticed about him and Obama was their ability to get the point out and use knowledge to back it up I saw palin as just kind of answering the question then trying to drive a diff message home that they are for america...yea we know that already..just answer the question...Id rather have a candidate that was knowledgeable about everything than the one who i can "have a beer with"...besides why would i want to have a beer with Sarah when she should be working on her interviews...screw the down-home stuff.

another thing puzzles me...they totally stole the Change banner Obama had..wtf!!i guess the message was that good they had to steal it and twist it.

how can they say they are for change and reform?? i dunno that alone makes me take a step back

is it me or did the republican party send out a bunch of trolls to current specifically for this debate....

Tonight’s debate solidified my belief in voting for a third party candidate. Joe Biden and Sarah Palin, quite simply, are living in the past. Two issues stuck out in my mind the most. The argument about clean coal (which is doesn’t exist) and the issue of gay marriage.

IFILL: The next round of -- pardon me, the next round of questions starts with you, Sen. Biden. Do you support, as they do in Alaska, granting same-sex benefits to couples?

BIDEN: Absolutely. Do I support granting same-sex benefits? Absolutely positively. Look, in an Obama-Biden administration, there will be absolutely no distinction from a constitutional standpoint or a legal standpoint between a same-sex and a heterosexual couple.

The fact of the matter is that under the Constitution we should be granted -- same-sex couples should be able to have visitation rights in the hospitals, joint ownership of property, life insurance policies, et cetera. That's only fair. It's what the Constitution calls for. And so we do support it. We do support making sure that committed couples in a same-sex marriage are guaranteed the same constitutional benefits as it relates to their property rights, their rights of visitation, their rights to insurance, their rights of ownership as heterosexual couples do.

IFILL: Governor, would you support expanding that beyond Alaska to the rest of the nation?

PALIN: Well, not if it goes closer and closer towards redefining the traditional definition of marriage between one man and one woman. And unfortunately that's sometimes where those steps lead.
But I also want to clarify, if there's any kind of suggestion at all from my answer that I would be anything but tolerant of adults in America choosing their partners, choosing relationships that they deem best for themselves, you know, I am tolerant and I have a very diverse family and group of friends and even within that group you would see some who may not agree with me on this issue, some very dear friends who don't agree with me on this issue.
But in that tolerance also, no one would ever propose, not in a McCain-Palin administration, to do anything to prohibit, say, visitations in a hospital or contracts being signed, negotiated between parties.
But I will tell Americans straight up that I don't support defining marriage as anything but between one man and one woman, and I think through nuances we can go round and round about what that actually means.
But I'm being as straight up with Americans as I can in my non- support for anything but a traditional definition of marriage.
IFILL: Let's try to avoid nuance, Senator. Do you support gay marriage?

BIDEN: No. Barack Obama nor I support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage. We do not support that. That is basically the decision to be able to be able to be left to faiths and people who practice their faiths the determination what you call it.
The bottom line though is, and I'm glad to hear the governor, I take her at her word, obviously, that she think there should be no civil rights distinction, none whatsoever, between a committed gay couple and a committed heterosexual couple. If that's the case, we really don't have a difference.

IFILL: Is that what your said?

PALIN: Your question to him was whether he supported gay marriage and my answer is the same as his and it is that I do not.

IFILL: Wonderful. You agree. On that note, let's move to foreign policy.