Haiti Earthquake | January 22, 2010 | 46 comments

Mixed Feelings About Haiti

source: http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/americas/news/article_1527700.php/ANALYSIS-US-militar...

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"The growing US military deployment in Haiti is provoking mixed feelings in the Caribbean country and beyond.

There is relief that someone might actively combat lawlessness on the streets of Port-au-Prince in the wake of last week's devastating earthquake. But there are serious concerns that the quake-related aid operation could become an open-ended military intervention.

Help is still desperately needed with an estimated 200,000 dead and 1 million homeless, but even aid is subject to political and ideological interpretation.

'We fully support military involvement in logistics and security, but it needs to be under the umbrella of the UN,' Penny Lawrence, aid and development charity OXFAM's director for Britain, told the German Press Agency dpa.

'The rhetoric on coordination is right, but in practice it is proving challenging.'

Benoit Leduc of Doctors Without Borders more bluntly said that his organization was concerned about the 'militarization of aid' and 'the extreme confusion of distributing food with a gun.'

On the ground, many Haitians are happy about the arrival of US Marines.

'The Americans are our only hope. I think they will deactivate the gangs,' said Wawa, a 38-year-old former gang member who commands respect in Port-au-Prince's dangerous shantytowns.

Analysts around the globe were guessing at the intentions of US President Barack Obama in his deployment of US troops in Haiti.

Is Obama trying to clean up Washington's image after messy military adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan? Is he trying to underline the benefits of US involvement to give 'American interventionism' a good name?

'Obama has issued (at a speed that contrasts with the indolence of his predecessor in the case of Katrina in New Orleans) extraordinary assistance measures,' Mexican writer Carlos Fuentes said in a column in the Spanish daily El Pais.

The Austrian daily Die Presse highlighted the contrast of US aid efforts in Haiti with Washington's history of supporting dictatorships in Central American regimes.

'If President Obama now commits to stand by poor Haiti as a partner also after the Caribbean republic disappears from the headlines, he has learned a lesson from US history,' Die Presse wrote.

Le Monde stressed less altruistic aspects and noted that, for the United States, 'Haiti is a national security imperative as much as it is a humanitarian imperative.'
There may be no right answer for Washington's foreign critics. Obama made the point himself last year, following the coup in Honduras.

'Critics who say that the United States has not intervened enough in Honduras are the same people who say that we're always intervening and the Yankees need to get out of Latin America,' Obama complained in August. 'You can't have it both ways.'

The challenge for the troubled country lies far beyond quake relief: even before its latest disaster, Haiti was the poorest country in the Americas, with more than 80 per cent of its people living in poverty."

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  • comicahzy
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      comicahzy  

    • What I support is any intervention that will drag Haiti out of its current state of deplorable poverty and stop the vile exploitation of the country's resources and population. I do not know how to do that but I am certain it is possible.

    • 2 years ago
  • DeliaTheArtist
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      DeliaTheArtist  

    • Jubal, I don't know if I would say I've moved from any particular position to a different one, but asking questions is the only way to get to the truth. Unfortunately I've found that much of the criticism of the United States comes along with highly opinionated statements and in some cases larger conspiracy theories which makes it difficult to sort through. While watchdogging and criticizing is necessary to growth, I just hope it’s the constructive kind, the kind that leads to change for the better as opposed to confusion, misinformation and resentment from the people.

      The fact that the media is changing to become so much more interactive has it’s pros and cons. Current is a perfect example of this new media; the community has to be aware of the sources and validity of information coming through the website. The internet has completely revolutionized the way people receive and respond to news, but we just have to make sure the news is as accurate as possible especially in cases like Haiti.

    • 2 years ago
  • jubal
  • jubal
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      jubal  

    • Delia, I am glad to see that you finally have dome around to asking the tougher questions and that you have moved on from your earlier position.

    • 2 years ago
  • futuregen
  • PoliticolNews
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      PoliticolNews  

    • This current Haiti govt., received over 2.7 billion dollars in aid before the earthquake, where did it go? It certainly did not go to their own self-sufficiency, building codes, infrastructure or benefits to the Haitian people. Any amt of aid that goes there now as there is another 1 billion dollars since the quake-should be monitored, accounted for and not given to the hands of the Haitian govt. This disaster could have had a lesser impact -had the previous aid gone into investing in the country, not someone's bank account.

    • 2 years ago
  • futuregen
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      futuregen  

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opwZ3hN6B1U

      These people don't care about love and compassion. Money changes everything.
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      http://europebusines.blogspot.com/2010/01/scalar-weapon-used-to-cause-haiti-quak...

      Haiti: An Unwelcome Katrina Redux ~ link ~ "There is evidence that the United States found oil in Haiti decades ago and due to the geopolitical circumstances and big business interests of that era made the decision to keep Haitian oil in reserve for when Middle Eastern oil had dried up. This is detailed by Dr. Georges Michel in an article dated March 27, 2004 outlining the history of oil explorations and oil reserves in Haiti and in the research of Dr. Ginette and Daniel Mathurin.

      "There is also good evidence that these very same big US oil companies and their inter-related monopolies of engineering and defense contractors made plans, decades ago, to use Haiti's deep water ports either for oil refineries or to develop oil tank farm sites or depots where crude oil could be stored and later transferred to small tankers to serve U.S. and Caribbean ports. This is detailed in a paper about the Dunn Plantation at Fort Liberte in Haiti.

      "Ezili's HLLN underlines these two papers on Haiti's oil resources and the works of Dr. Ginette and Daniel Mathurin in order to provide a view one will not find in the mainstream media nor anywhere else as to the economic and strategic reasons the US has constructed its fifth largest embassy in the world - fifth only besides the US embassy in China, Iraq, Iran and Germany - in tiny Haiti, post the 2004 Haiti Bush regime change."

      Haiti has larger oil reserves than Venezuela (An Olympic pool compared to a glass of water) ~ link

    • 2 years ago
  • futuregen
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      futuregen  
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    • http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/08/haiti-hurricanes

      Four hurricanes hit Haiti in the space of 30 days in 2008 (fine tuning HAARP?), and now an earthquake only six miles deep followed by an powerful aftershock only 6 miles deep (?HAARP?). I think the US military has a lot of explaining to do about what HAARP is and what is it used for. They need to close HAARP and stop dominating, bullying and killing the world for money and power. And then, of course, no distribution of meds, water, food, medical supplies, all sitting at the airport. I've watched reporter after reporter (CNN, ABC, Democracy Now!) astounded at the lack of assistance for the Haitians. No one is moving supplies from the airport to the people. Rescue crews concentrated on the rich and foreigners. And every time I try to blog, military "Christ"ian neighbors try to shut off my computer. The U.S. military sucks.

    • 2 years ago
  • remanns
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      remanns  

    • You have to use history as a "thinking man's" guide to policy and process,...but its not some sort of divine oracle. Give the Obama "extension of power" a chance to prove that it can be benevolent and brief. At the very least it is relatively swift and necessary at this moment. I would rather risk the long term pitfalls than "Katrina" Haiti.

    • 2 years ago
  • gmaas
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      gmaas  

    • If the UN has any part to play as a global organization anywhere and for any reason, this is it. Why isn't the UN ready, with a plan, to move into such situations and coordinate all aspects of relief? from security and communication to shelter, food and medical aid. What an opportunity to demonstrate a truly UNITED approach. They should be first responders for all such situations!

    • 2 years ago
  • dnmatin
  • SamuraiDave
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      SamuraiDave  

    • I can understand the need for the military both for security but also for emergency response as there are many units trained for this kind of situation and many of those people have had first hand experience in Iraq and Afghanistan.

      I can also understand the feelings of apprehension given US's involvement with Haiti over the years especially most recently in 2004. Obama's Admin need to be aware of this and every soldier from general down to private need to take great care in how they present themselves to the Haitians.

      Plus I hate to play the blame game but I will - after 8 years of Bush's military policies, the US credibility has gone down the toilet. It's little wonder no one trusts us. This is Obama's opportunity to rectify that at least partially.

    • 2 years ago
  • JonRaymond
  • pukemnukem
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      pukemnukem  
    • SamuraiDave:

      Well Jon...that is because you seem to think that the modern day military is what you see in Hollywood films. You seem either oblivious or simply unwilling to even acknowledge the simply massive amount of humanitarian work done by the US military not only in Iraq and Afghanistan, but around the world.

      But blaming everything on a massive conspiracy just makes more sense....

    • 2 years ago
  • SamuraiDave
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      SamuraiDave  
    • SamuraiDave:

      i'm not surprised that you failed to see blinded as you are by your obsessive hatred for the US military but my reference to Iraq and Afghanistan in relation to emergency response teams was that many of the medics and medical personnel have had experience with real life emergencies dealing with the wounded in those two countries.

    • 2 years ago
  • JonRaymond
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    • http://answer.pephost.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ANS_homepage

      What the U.S. government isn't telling you about Haiti:

      As CNN, ABC and every other major corporate media outlet will be quick to point out, Haiti is the poorest country in the entire Western hemisphere. But not a single word is uttered as to why Haiti is poor. Poverty, unlike earthquakes, is no natural disaster.

      The answer lies in more than two centuries of U.S. hostility to the island nation, whose hard-won independence from the French was only the beginning of its struggle for liberation.

      In 1804, what had begun as a slave uprising more than a decade earlier culminated in freedom from the grips of French colonialism, making Haiti the first Latin American colony to win its independence and the world's first Black republic. Prior to the victory of the Haitian people, George Washington and then-Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson had supported France out of fear that Haiti would inspire uprisings among the U.S. slave population. The U.S. slave-owning aristocracy was horrified at Haiti’s newly earned freedom.

      U.S. interference became an integral part of Haitian history, culminating in a direct military occupation from 1915 to 1934. Through economic and military intervention, Haiti was subjugated as U.S. capital developed a railroad and acquired plantations. In a gesture of colonial arrogance, Franklin D. Roosevelt, who was the assistant secretary of the Navy at the time, drafted a constitution for Haiti which, among other things, allowed foreigners to own land. U.S. officials would later find an accommodation with the dictator François “Papa Doc” Duvalier, and then his son Jean-Claude “Baby Doc” Duvalier, as Haiti suffered under their brutal repressive policies.

      In the 1980s and 1990s, U.S. policy toward Haiti sought the reorganization of the Haitian economy to better serve the interests of foreign capital. The U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) was instrumental in shifting Haitian agriculture away from grain production, paving the way for dependence on food imports. Ruined Haitian farmers flocked to the cities in search of a livelihood, resulting in the swelling of the precarious shantytowns found in Port-au-Prince and other urban centers.

      Who has benefited from these policies? U.S. food producers profited from increased exports to Haitian markets. Foreign corporations that had set up shop in Haitian cities benefitted from the super-exploitation of cheap labor flowing from the countryside. But for the people of Haiti, there was only greater misery and destitution.

      Washington orchestrated the overthrow of the democratically elected Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide—not once, but twice, in 1991 and 2004. Haiti has been under a U.S.-backed U.N. occupation for nearly six years. Aristide did not earn the animosity of U.S. leaders for his moderate reforms; he earned it when he garnered support among Haiti's poor, which crystallized into a mass popular movement. Two hundred years on, U.S. officials are still horrified by the prospect of a truly independent Haiti.

      The unstable, makeshift dwellings imposed upon Haitians by Washington’s neoliberal policies have now, for many, been turned into graves. Those same policies are to blame for the lack of hospitals, ambulances, fire trucks, rescue equipment, food and medicine. The blow dealt by such a natural disaster to an economy made so fragile from decades of plundering will greatly magnify the suffering of the Haitian people.

    • 2 years ago
  • MoonLoon
  • JonRaymond
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      JonRaymond  
    • JonRaymond:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Agency_for_International_Development

      The identity of the Envoy is less pertinent than the controversy surrounding USAID and it's history. This is from Wikipedia:

      USAID states that "U.S. foreign assistance has always had the twofold purpose of furthering America's foreign policy interests in expanding democracy and free markets while improving the lives of the citizens of the developing world." However, non-government organization watch groups have noted that as much as 40% of aid to Afghanistan has found its way back to donor countries through awarding contracts at inflated costs.[17]

      Although USAID defends that contractors are selected by their proven abilities, "watch dog" groups, partisan politicians, foreign governments and corporations contend that the bidding process has at times involved both the financial interest of its current Presidential administration and political motivation.[18] An example includes the rebuilding of Iraq during the Bush administration.[19]

      Some critics[who?] say that the US government gives aid to reward political and military partners rather than to advance genuine social or humanitarian causes abroad. Another complaint[by whom?] is that foreign aid is used as a political weapon for the U.S. to make other nations do things its way, an example given in 1990 when the Yemeni Ambassador to the United Nations voted against a resolution for a US-led coalition to use force against Iraq, U.S. Ambassador to the UN Thomas Pickering walked to the seat of the Yemeni Ambassador and retorted: "That was the most expensive No vote you ever cast". Immediately afterwards, USAID ceased operations and funding in Yemen. [20]

      It has been said that the USAID has maintained "a close working relationship with the CIA, and Agency officers often operated abroad under USAID cover."[21] The Office of Public Safety, a division of USAID, has been mentioned as an example of this, having served as a front for training foreign police in counterinsurgency methods.[22]

    • 2 years ago
  • MoonLoon
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      MoonLoon  
    • JonRaymond:

      Bill Clinton is the "Special Envoy", to Haiti. It is of great significance, unless, someone wants to hide this fact, while railing about U.S. intervention in Haiti. Democrats are dirty up to their elbows in the manipulations of Haitian politics.

    • 2 years ago
  • ras_menelik
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      ras_menelik  
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    • JohnA
      look at what you are saying this is about humanity and not us vs them expecting more from my country is not Un-anything are we the best or is China going to take over 200 miles of FL
      and finish what the commis started in Cuba?

      you are pissed off? up to 20,000 a day are dieing in Haiti and you are pissed off!! we are @ day 11 so piss of

      2010-01-23 12:39:22

      PORT-AU-PRINCE, Jan. 22 (Xinhua) --Among a group of four tents at the Port-au-Prince international airport, two are for treating quake victims, and the other two serve as warehouses for medical materials.

      And this is the biggest temporary hospital in the Haitian capital, built by the United Nations. About 350 patients are being treated there.

      Some 100 doctors and nurses from the United States, France, Spain, New Zealand, Britain and Switzerland have been treating patients around the clock. Every doctor conducted 20 to 30 operations every day.

      On Friday, a Chinese medical team with over 10 members arrived at the hospital to lend a helping hand. The team members briefly talked with the director of the hospital, and were then assigned certain tasks.

      Zhang Xuemei, a Chinese gynecologist and obstetrician, together with a Chinese nurse, was requested to take care of children 5 years old and younger. Once at work, Zhang began to examine a child's wounds.

      Among the medical aid workers, there was a doctor from Miami University in the United States. He said that together with 18 medical staffers, he arrived in this Haitian hospital on Thursday. They would stay in Haiti for one week.

      All the patients are suffering secondary infections due to delayed treatment of their injuries, and some would have to undergo amputations.

      The 7.3-magnitude earthquake on Jan. 12 had killed over 110,000, the Haitian government said Friday. The quake also injured some 250,000 others and left 1 million homeless.

      As the Port-au-Prince international airport is temporarily administered by U.S. troops, patients have been flown to the hospital by U.S. military helicopters or other vehicles.

      Hou Shike, chief of the Chinese medical team, said doctors from different countries were jointly studying cases and carrying out operations in the hospital so that they could treat patients more effectively and quickly.

      http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2010-01/23/c_13148042.htm

    • 2 years ago
  • JohnA
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      JohnA  
    • ras_menelik:

      I apologize if I seemed callous to their plight, I am not, I just don't like this taking a bad rap when we are trying to help. But that is a small concern right now, you are right.

    • 2 years ago
  • ras_menelik
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      ras_menelik  
    • ras_menelik:

      accepted.

      Please think of the ones among us that are always hurting (that's easy they are every where) think about them when you start to get mad and you will know if your anger is justified,there is a time and place for every thing including getting pissed off

    • 2 years ago
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  

    • When Obama first sent in the military all the Imperialism alarm bells went off in my head.

      I know the general populace pretty much pays no attention to this, but when we send in the military south of the border it's almost -never- for "aid." The military (or the CIA) has been ruthlessly attacking South and Central American and Caribbean countries for centuries, including Haiti as early as six years ago, so it's pretty god damn surprising if you know our history when we send in troops to actually help people.

      We'll see what happens, but so far it seems like I was wrong about it being an intervention. But realize, this is pretty much the first time that's -ever- happened.

    • 2 years ago
  • ras_menelik
  • JonRaymond
  • JohnA
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      JohnA  

    • It was horrible what happened, there is no way to put words to it, a terrible tragedy. But this was a natural disaster, it doesn't affect my view of Obama or the government or the military. I think the American people have stepped up big and I really do not get all the heat we are taking for it. We sent the military in because they were a huge force trained in emergency response, not to occupy anyone or take anything over, come on. You want Doctors to come in, well you got to have working airfields and roads and bridges, who knows how to do that, the military, we trained them for it. It's a really horrible thing nobody wants to see happen, but I am just not at all getting all the critisim we are taking for trying to help out. What the hell has Hugo Chavez done? Not jack, so shut the fuck up. People in our own country criticizing us gets me the most. Well, it's kind of a big deal, might take a little bit to get our hands around, we're working on it. I don't know how everything will shake out, no one does, but using this as an excuse to run down America is, well, un-American and I'm sorry, but it really pisses me off.

    • 2 years ago
  • JonRaymond
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      JonRaymond  
    • JohnA:

      The military are trained for war. That is always their number one priority. Perhaps the National Guard has "some" disaster training. But ultimately their training is for war and military police operations and for support of those operations. It's clear to me Haiti needs doctors and nurses and not warriors. They need air service to transport the wounded to hospitals outside of Haiti. I think we see very little of that from our military while what we do see are U.S. troops arriving with guns and military equipment.

      The priorities are misplaced. Are any other countries sending in military? I see doctors and MASH units from them, not D-Day invasions. It's a legitimate concern in this age of America's policy of imperialism, preemptive war, and world dominance of resources.

      And this isn't just my lone opinion. You see these concerns repeated over and over from other countries and even in the past form people like Noam Chomsky who's essays were refused from publication in the U.S. and ended up republished in his book "Interventions", banned by the Pentagon.

    • 2 years ago
  • MoonLoon
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      MoonLoon  
    • JohnA:

      "JonRaymond", irritates the hell out of me by his constant critisism of the U.S. military. However, I try to keep in mind that it is the military/political leadership that he has a problem with, not the men on ground simply taking orders. Some of his point are valid, within reason. An emergency such as Haiti, creates a vacuum of power, and certainly the U.S. does not want Cuba, Venezuela, or any other Nation to fill that gap. There may be a good global strategic reason for maintaining control of Haiti, through military means. There is also a strong humanitarian imperative for maintaing order. As a short history lesson, I will remind everyone of the Russian trained mercenaries from Cuba that were used to destablize Angola and other African countries. Haiti could also be a hotbed of cannon fodder due to the extreme poverty. This is a chess game and Haiti just happens to be a pawn. Otherwise, the U.S. and other countries responses should be applauded rather than be denigrated.

    • 2 years ago
  • oppressed1
  • JonRaymond
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      JonRaymond  
    • JohnA:

      No one said you were ONLY trained for war. Your primary purpose is war. As a military person you don't think or question these things. Just do what you're told.

    • 2 years ago
  • pukemnukem
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      pukemnukem  
    • JohnA:

      JonRaymond- Do you honestly believe that we who have served in the military and those that currently do are so limited in our intelligence, that none of us understand the concept of a legal order?

      Also, you keep harping that the US military should not be there. Well then fine. Who else has the expertise, the equipment, and the manpower? Who do you want to replace the US military that is currently the only thing keeping Haiti's lone airport running at 20,000% capacity?

      Furthermore, I think a lot of people are missing the issue that this crisis in Haiti doesn't end at its border. This is placing a tremendous burden on the Dominican Republic. These humanitarian crisis can easily de-stabilize surrounding countries.

    • 2 years ago
  • ras_menelik
  • JanforGore
  • JohnA
  • AtomUniverse1
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      AtomUniverse1  
    • JanforGore:

      Wait, haven't you learned anything from youtube? The internet is a free-for all, so whenever someone is in the mood to log in and express what's on their immediate mind, then they may do so with nothing in their way; regardless if that comment is educated or not, from all age levels.

    • 2 years ago
  • JonRaymond
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      JonRaymond  
    • JanforGore:

      You have a valid point. But I think it's important to express your opinions and not be squelched by those who will win if you do STFU. In a way this is true democracy. People are free to react to each other. It's messy but it's democratic. At least your voice is heard and the thinking people who read it will be enlightened as they skip over and ignore the trolls.

    • 2 years ago
  • cztheday
  • DeliaTheArtist
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      DeliaTheArtist  
    • JanforGore:

      It's not your honesty I get pissed at, Jan, it's your meanness and personal attacks towards others. But I don't really want to get into all that here, so I wish we could stay on topic for once.

    • 2 years ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • JanforGore:

      I do not level personal attacks at others and I challenge you too find ONE that was in any way vulgar, baiting, obscene, or done unprovoked or not in response to something said to me. You are not perfect either, and matter of fact you were the one who was very nasty to me in a thread about Haiti where I was expressing what I felt when you commented on what we shouldn't be talking about after which you told me to "shut the fuck up." So don't sit there pontificating to me about what you think I am to validate what a hypocrite you are. You attack people who criticize Obama. It is as if everything is about defending him even over the more important central issues. This post is a classic example. Your title is "mixed feelings about HAITI," and yet you have a picture of Obama, not of Haiti or the people suffering there. Is that all you ever think about? Obama? You want to know how I feel about this you can look at the other responses and postings I have made and respond there. I am tired of you using the misrepresentative I attack others personally excuse to validate your dislike of me because I don't worship Obama.

    • 2 years ago
  • DeliaTheArtist
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      DeliaTheArtist  
    • JanforGore:

      That other Haiti post is a perfect example to meet your "challenge", as I did not refer to you in my original post at all yet you took what I said personally and assumed it was about you. It was not. I do not worship Obama and I've made it very clear what I agree and disagree with him on. I think your representation of me always thinking about Obama or attacking people that don't agree with him is very inaccurate; I used his picture because the "mixed feelings" in Haiti seem to be directly tied to the United State's aid and Obama's handling of it.

      I don't really have time for your petty grudges and flame wars; if you want to continue to dislike me and harp on it, that's all you. I'd prefer the beef be squashed. What's the best way to do that? In that post you mentioned I was sincere when I said I'd be happy to simply leave you alone if every conversation we are going to have is going to be a fight about why we don't like each other. Obviously you don't want to do that, so what is it that you want?

    • 2 years ago
  • remanns
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • JanforGore:

      I respect your sentiments, however, in my experience, I tell the to STFU right back at ya. You are very strong Jan and you shouldn't let the uneducated masses get under your skin. You are blessed with a powerful advocacy message that needs to get out, come hell or high water.

    • 2 years ago
  • comicahzy
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      comicahzy  
    • JanforGore:

      "Why answer honestly here when you only get insulted, piled on or told to STFU for being honest?"

      Are you suggesting that lying about your beliefs will get you friends and influence people? As a passive observer, I have seen you attack people and I could not see why. That is why I found it interesting that you would write this sentence. I do not think that you have a problem taking it or dishing it out from the looks of things.

      Basically, "why answer at all?" is the question. You may have a bad experience or a good experience and if you are willing to accept this and still wish to share an opinion then it is usually a worthwhile experience whichever way it goes.

      I don't understand the personal attacks that go on here. I think sometimes people mistake disagreement with a personal attack and it escalates from there. Most of the time, a personal attack is either misunderstood or issued from someone that has anger management issues. Why would you respond to that? Entertainment value.

    • 2 years ago
  • DeliaTheArtist
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      DeliaTheArtist  

    • What is your opinion on Haiti and the international response? What do you think of your country's reaction?

      And if you live in America, how does this affect your image of Obama? Are you confident in our government and military? Scared and skeptical of their actions? Waiting it out to see what happens?

      How do you see this crisis now, and how do you think history will remember it?

    • 2 years ago
  • jubal
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