Baptist Kidnappers Face U.S. Prosecution
source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100201/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_haiti_americans_detained
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promethean
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Idaho is a breeding ground for skin heads, mormon racists, Heaths, and other religious nuts. These people will shoot you for getting lost then asking for directions on their property. Maybe they did think god wanted them to take the kids. But who knows what the Pat Robertson Christians were really going to do since they believe the Haitians made a pact with the devil. For all anyone knows, they were going to drive the kids off a cliff or have a witch burning barbeque to save their souls. We do know they broke some pretty obvious laws, so they should pay for their actions.
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promethean
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MoonLoon
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@Pig, I agreed with your view that the taking of the children smacked of arrogance and possibly of racism. The issue of blaiming all white Americans for the past sins of slavery is a stretch, as many black Americans and immigrants have also benefited from the American political and economic system. Sacrifices have been paid by all Americans in blood and suffering, especially during the Civil War, when most of the South's slave based economy was destroyed. While Northern industrialists become wealthy and still enjoy that wealth today.
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MoonLoon
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corndog67
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How many minority kids are up for adoption in the US? A shitload, that's how many. But they don't seem to want those, what's the matter, not exotic enough? The Haitian/Creole accent is much more inviting than an American accent, isn't it?
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corndog67
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bhumikag
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very sad situation. it is disturbing to see that people think it is ok to remove children from their community just because they are poor and deprived..
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bhumikag
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JanforGore
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"Big Daddy" Melvin: Obviously not big where it really counts, are you? Big and brave are you on an Internet message board where you can come anonymously to spew forth your uninformed intolerant bile. From the time of Columbus to now, Haiti has never had true freedom or self determination. They tasted it once maybe twice in making Aristede their president, hoping that a man who was for the people of Haiti would finally bring them out of the dark ages of slavery. But of course, that was not to be as the true powers that run this world and do a good job of running it into the ground for their own profit made sure that taste of freedom didn't last long. Slavery, environmental and agricultural destruction, economic slavery through the WTO, IMF, and World Bank that brought abject poverty, diseases, torture, and now this horrible natural disaster has only heightened the inhumane conditions this country has been forced to live in to make the modern day slave drivers their millions. The Monsantos, Disneys, Coca Colas, and all the others lined up to suck the life out of yet another people they use as slaves while they smile on American ads. Sickening. And so are you.
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JanforGore
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derk
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Terrorists!
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derk
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biggranny
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these people brought slick advertisements with them to show how they were going to bring them to paradise. shame on these curch people for looking down their nose at these poor families. swooping down to take these children was badly planned and racist. god save us from "do gooders"
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biggranny
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cztheday
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I agree that the underlying facts of this case are unclear -- but at a minimum it seems that the group exercised extremely poor judgment. I am not sure I followed the facts correctly, but the analogy that occurred to me is if a flood hit my town and destroyed my house. If my kids were found wandering the streets in a daze and neither my wife nor I had turned up looking for them within a week or so, I am sure I would be grateful if some group provided them with food, shelter, medical care and concern.
BUT I would be infuriated almost beyond endurance if I discovered that the same group had decided to take them to an orphanage in Canada without a fairly prolonged and intensive search for their parents...especially if they were taken against their will or as a result of misrepresenting where they were going and why.
I suppose if the group could show that the kids lives or health were endangered, I might be somewhat mollified...but they had better have exceptionally good reasons why they could not safeguard the kids somewhere in THIS country and preferably as close as possible to their hometown.
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cztheday
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cztheday
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cztheday:
...I mean because after all...CANADA?!
(kd)
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cztheday
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PigFarmington
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BIGDADDYMELVIN:
Yeah... thanks for being our slaves Haitians. Yeah, we overthrew your government and put a free-market friendly president in and called it "democracy", and then later overthrew that government too, that's your fault. You don't want to embrace our culture we jam down the world's troughts, that's your problem. You want to keep your culture and pastimes, quit crying babies. It's your fault we installed a government that sells you into American-corporate slavery, Haiti. We treat you like crap, now you want help? Screw you, you absolute-poverty American slaves. You make our junk for pennies an hour, now we owe you help when we've destroyed your economy? Just who do you think you are? It's your fault your country is on one of the Earth's tectonic plates. Go make me some Dora the Explorer underwear you worthless human slave.
btw: I'm being sarcastic. I hope you were too, if not...
You couldn't have made yourself look more dumb. Blame the victim... classic.
That "corrupt" government was installed by our government, then we later overthrew that democratic government too! No it's not a conspiracy theory.
http://cjonline.com/stories/041505/opi_weisbrot.shtml
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20040309.htmProtestant christian ethic got them where they are today thanks to our overthrow of their gov and free market capitalism only protestants could deem as ok in the eyes of Yahweh.
You look foolish. God, I hope you were being sarcastic. It's people like you that make me hope aliens come and make everyone in the 1st world slaves just so we get a taste of how it feels.
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PigFarmington
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CalgarC
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BIGDADDYMELVIN:
be nice now!
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CalgarC
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They just thought they could fly into Haiti and grab a bunch of kids and leave the country? Could they really be that dumb? Could they really be that arrogant?
I guess they figured they had Jeebus on their side so they could do what ever the hell they wanted
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Dagum
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unimatrix0:
“I guess they figured they had Jeebus on their side so they could do what ever the hell they wanted”
Your intolerance and antipathy toward anything that relates to religion is disgusting. For someone who routinely trolls posts calling others intolerant and racist, your need to invoke and demean a figure central to a religous faith in your comment, just goes to show how far down the road of hypocrisy you have traveled. You are the true epitome of the phrase “the pot calling the kettle black.”
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Dagum
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PigFarmington
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Dagum:
Your acceptance of anything with "god" is disgusting. If they kidnapped whites this would be a different story all together. They stole kids off the street. Either they're dumb or evil, either way they are awful people.
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PigFarmington
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Dagum
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PigFarmington:
no ones defending their actions. White Cops routinely beat down on minorities. Should I use it as opportunity to hate on whites and take off- topic pot shots at whites every time I read an article about police abuse? Defend that line of reasoning and we will see who is disgusting.
http://current.com/items/91993539_teen-beat-by-police-over-mountain-dew-bottle.h...
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Dagum
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Dagum:
they apparently think so
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kurthsb27
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PigFarmington
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Dagum:
Your correlation is not logical.
First of all, the media is very non-sympathetic to Police brutality, so you missed my point on the media being sympathetic to white "in-the-name-of-god" kidnappers.
Second, I'm not stereotyping all Christians, just self-righteous ones that kidnap poor dark-skinned kids off the streets. I agreed with this original poster. They assumed (consciously or not) that since they were white American Jeebus-Jumpers they could do whatever they want under the flag of moral authority.
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PigFarmington
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Euphoriatic
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Thought before action..
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Euphoriatic
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MoonLoon
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They made a wrong assumption. The parents of these children or extended family could very well be alive and willing to care for the children. But of course, finding the family would take time, and is not very newsworthy. I have compassion for the children, yet a significant degree of disgust for the arrogance of the charity workers poor judgement.
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MoonLoon
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AndrewH13
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"Kidnap" them and take them to another orphanage in Haiti, do-gooders.
"Kidnap" them and take them to another orphanage outside Haiti, international vilification.They're only bad people because they crossed the border?
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AndrewH13
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PigFarmington
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AndrewH13:
No, they're bad because they made a racist assumption. That nobody cares about these kids. Put yourself in the parent's shoes. People from the country that keeps your country in poverty (thus poor building construction and infrastructure) comes to help and just helps themselves to some of your local children... you would be pised too.
Honestly, you can't say that if there was a quake in the UK and this was happening people would be so bold as to snatch children off the street,
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PigFarmington
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AndrewH13
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PigFarmington:
I think I would see a country that's will to help me rebuild my hometown, something my people couldn't do on their own. I think I would see honest, well meaning people that are only trying to help. I also think race doesn't have anything to do with it.
Oh. and sorry about the removed comment above, I'm still getting used to this new comment system.
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AndrewH13
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PigFarmington
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AndrewH13:
I'm not saying their racism contains malice... I just feel that if these were white kids that were kidnapped, it's doubtful it would have happened at all. And if it did, the media/society would be looking at this differently.
I would welcome help rebuilding my town regardless of race, but... if I had not had water/food for days and I see these stereotypically rich people "helping" while they themselves have water and food, I would be pi$$ed too. - 2 years ago
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PigFarmington
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fiat_lux088
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The thing that's going to get them is the fact that some of the parents were alive, this of course is unless the parents allowed the missionaries to take them. Then again, they still needed to fill out the proper paperwork.
There's another tragedy, as if those poor people haven't suffered enough Tila Tequila is planning to adopt Haitian children. - 2 years ago
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fiat_lux088
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Progresshiv
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fiat_lux088:
That's just cruel and unusual punishment. Maybe we should all pitch in and buy her a poodle.
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Progresshiv
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PigFarmington
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I'm not surprised that rich white americans thought they could take poor black non-americans. I mean...c'mon. We've been doing it for years!
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PigFarmington
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PigFarmington
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PigFarmington:
"We" as America.
You benefit everyday from the labor from the slaves of the past. Figuratively we still "take" the lives of dark skinned and Asian people everyday!
Everyone in core nations do, so keep playing that ignorant card if you want.
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PigFarmington
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MoonLoon
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PigFarmington:
"Pig", I fail to grasp your logic? How do we benefit? Did you ever stop to think that, maybe just maybe, your concept of justice is flawed?
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MoonLoon
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MoonLoon:
You had generations of wealth and bountiful farmland cultivated for you for free due to slave labor.
That farmland grew the food that fed your ancestors and still feeds you today. The funds from crops(cotton, tobacco,etc.) shipped overseas in trade with other countries that made slave owners and America wealthy without paying out wages to workers. Wealth that transferred from generation to generation, allowing farmers and descendants alike to remain profitable for decades, centuries if that money was properly diversified into other businesses.
America was built into a superpower off the backs of slave labor. You disrespect that history by questioning whether or not you have benefited from it. While you have not directly received a benefit from enslaved workers, you are here today in the state that America is in because of it. You can make a living here because of the sacrifices made by enslaved workers, many who died in the fields so that this country could prosper. Don't cheapen the memory of that by pretending it didn't happen, and don't think that by acknowledging it people are trying to make you feel guilty of human atrocities that your ancestors may/may not have committed.
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lifestudentno83
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lifestudentno83:
THANK YOU! That's basically what I would have said. America's foundations to modern day is built on the sweat and blood of slaves. Owned slaves of the past, and wage slaves today.
My only addition would be that we still have slaves, they just belong to other governments.
@LoonMoon
My concept of justice is flawed? I'm not calling it justice, I'm calling it, "what's good for the goose is good for the gander... my heart bleeds for Haiti, not these people snatchers.
Honestly, your ignorance makes me sad.
Haitian workers earn only 6 cents for every pair of Disney “101 Dalmatians” outfit that Disney sells for $20. Disney pays its workers in Haiti about 28 cents an hour. A woman in Salvador working in a sweatshop makes 12 cents sewing a GAP T-shirt that sells in the US for $20. (Sources: In These Times; National Labor Committee; Jobs with Justice)
Myth: It’s OK to pay workers in poor countries lots less than workers are paid here because living expenses are so much less. Milk: in Haiti, 75 cents; in NY, 65 cents; eggs: in Haiti, $1.50, in NY, $1.39; cereal: in Haiti, $1.90, in NY, 1.69
Just because they don't live on a white plantation owner's property doesn't mean you're not a slave.
I just find it ironic that nobody cares about Haitians when they're slaving away, but now we do? I'm not saying we shouldn't, but there is irony. Like I've said before. If you paid them decent wages, maybe everyone's house wouldn't have collapsed.
Also, I find it a bit racist on these people's part. Like I've said, if these Haitians were white, these people would have sought proper means. But they didn't. They assumed it was okay to take people's children off the street and assume they were doing them a favor.
Imagine an earthquake just destroyed everything you hold dear, but luckily your parents survived. Days later, all-powerful, all-knowing Americans scooped you off the street.These are awful people. If they were ignorant and stupid, or they felt just and superior, either way they are awful.
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PigFarmington
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jubal
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lifestudentno83:
Right on Lifestudentno83 you made some very valid points. Even though we don't benefit directly, as in "we owned slaves", we inherited the wealth of America that was created through slave labor, therefore we benefit indirectly.
However, it seems to me that there are some who have benefited much, much more. I think they call them the top 2% who own almost everything. (almost everything = 95% vs everything = 100%, just fyi about meanings in my semantic world)
And I would like to add, that means that there is a very small piece left that the 98% of us who own virtually nothing have to compete with to get a tiny piece of the pie.
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jubal
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bishopobispo
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Why the group didn't go through the proper channels is beside me. Even so, the article stated that some of the children weren't orphans. How on earth did they get their hands on some of these kids?
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bishopobispo
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ras_menelik
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Protecting Haiti's children from 'cowboy adoptions': http://bit.ly/cBVaBF
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ras_menelik
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ras_menelik:
'cowboy adoptions' that's a good name for it!
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Logos51891
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Good intentions aside, international law has been broken.
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afitzgerald
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Definitely a confusing story similar to the case in Chad a little while back with the French NGO that was found to be trafficking children. This is unfortunately a big problem in Haiti right now: http://blogs.current.com/news/2010/01/25/trafficking-worries-amid-haiti-adoption...
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slarabee:
According to the NPR story I read yesterday. They were taking them to the closest SOS CV owned orphanage. Which was the one in the Dominican Republic. They couldn't get to the transfer papers due to the fact that the original orphanage collapsed, which was why they were moving them in the first place. According to a spokesperson for the group, they were planning on taking them there for safe keeping until things cleared up a little.
I'm not defending breaking the law, but I don't think they should be vilified so harshly.
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AndrewH13
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jubal
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The desire to help children through adopting them and caring for them is admirable, but one must engage in helping through the proper channels of law.
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jubal
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Varex_Sythe
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Yeah... these people should have thought their actions through before they proceeded to do what they did.
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Varex_Sythe:
According to the report they were aware of what they were doing was illegal.
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Varex_Sythe:
maybe they wanted to be like brangelina... or even bruno lol
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CalgarC