Srsly...
source: http://punditkitchen.com/2009/07/15/political-pictures-benedict-bartholomew-starving-people/
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- DeliaTheArtist
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pjacobs51
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And how many people could our government feed?
Just cutting the military budget by a third and we could have free healthcare for all.
- 2 years ago
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pjacobs51
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monsieurturtle
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pjacobs51:
It's amazing how much fervor surrounds the financial weight of a universal healthcare system, when so little outrage is given towards the excessive military spending which has been going about for many years now.
It's certain that we need to allot a great deal of funding in that direction, but it seems a bit absurd that money only becomes a major issue when it moves more towards human rights-based proposals.
Am I missing something?
- 2 years ago
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monsieurturtle
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SoKalKyle
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“. . . this morning, I flushed my toilet with a solid gold lever edged with diamonds and at this very moment, bishops and cardinals are using a bathroom on the second floor of the papal palace which trappings, I am told, would draw more than fifty million dollars at auction . . . Believe me, one day, we who live in opulence, while so many are dying because they have nothing, will have to answer to Jesus as to why we have not carried out His instruction, ‘Love thy neighbor as thyself.’ We, the clergy of the Church together with our congregations, who substitute gold and pomp and ceremony in place of Christ’s instruction, who judge our masquerade of singing His praises to be more precious than human life, will have the most to explain.” ~ John Paul I
"Vatican property worth $1.2bn From correspondents in Vatican City, 11 jul, 2003
"The Vatican's real estate is worth about 700 million euro ($1.21 billion), not including its priceless art treasures, (according to) Ivan Ruggiero, the Holy See's chief accountant.
Of course, the value of the real estate holding was calculated without taking into account its real value on the market," Ruggiero said. And of course, the vast artistic holding of the Holy See was not taken into account, since it is a priceless and non-commercial holding," he added. (Because of it being "priceless, the value of the art treasures has been listed as "One Euro").
St Peter's Basilica ranks in the latter category, beyond market values."
[ from http://www.thesundaymail.news.com.au ]Just sayin'
- 2 years ago
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SoKalKyle
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unimatrix0
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The moral and financial corruption of the church should be deeply disturbing to all rational and good people.
- 2 years ago
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unimatrix0
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monsieurturtle
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I think it's important to note that charity is a very large part of both the Catholic and Orthodox churches (and others, but mentioned as pictured).
However, there is a reasoning behind setting aside a portion of tithes and so on to put towards the adornment of the houses and representatives of God.
You don't have to agree with it, obviously, but before people cry hypocrisy and whatnot, it's important to at least understand that some people have substantial reasons for their beliefs or behaviors- it's not a simple case of saying this and doing that.
On one other (important) note, the vestments and decorations themselves are fairly inexpensive, and many of them (much of the metal adornment) are handed down successively. The costs vary, obviously, but it's comparable to the cost of a business suit.
In short, this apparent criticism is a little bit of a cheap one, and more so in light of these considerations (or so I feel, anyway). There are much more legitimate issues that could be raised.
- 2 years ago
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monsieurturtle
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unimatrix0
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monsieurturtle:
the critique is simple, but valid, and symbolic of deep corruption.
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unimatrix0
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monsieurturtle
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monsieurturtle:
I disagree; corruption here would be an indication of the church in question "missing the message".
Like is said, it's more a matter of what rules you play by. Tradition apparently allots some amount of financial consideration to the support of the churches and rituals themselves, and ritual dress would be a part of it all.
Like I said, you don't have to agree with the idea itself, but I wouldn't call it corruption- this would seem to require a single moral measure by which to qualify what is and is not acceptable. The problem here is that hypocrisy is suggested when a closer look into the ideas of the organizations themselves does not suggest anyone is actually "going against the rules".
I don't mean to be combative. I certainly recognize your argument. I'm just trying to offer some balance to the perspective.
- 2 years ago
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monsieurturtle
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blaino
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monsieurturtle:
It shouldnt matter what you look like to god.
Jesus was a carpenter.
These pigs are dressed like kings, not the messengers of jesus christ. Its not just the expensive clothing I will bet you anything the pope lives very lavishly. Its corrupt they spend more time on their image than they do on Jesus's teachings.Organized religion is so ass backwards.
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blaino
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monsieurturtle
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monsieurturtle:
The pope is given the means to live how he chooses. Benedict is apparently more a fan of high living than the very simple John Paul II (although I'll admit I'm basing that off of an article I'd read a while ago on the subject, which may have been biased). As far as I'm concerned, I find ornate dress to be a non-issue, especially compared to, say, a preference for Gucci sunglasses and other "secular" vanities, but I don't think I can pass judgment here.
As you might be judging these men by your own distinct standards, it's important to understand the reasoning behind intentional grandiosity in the treatment of the house of God and the clergy and so on. As I'd mentioned in another comment, both these branches of the church have a belief in the apostolic and scriptural tradition towards this type of behavior- in brief, it's seen as another form of glorification and honoring of the places of worship and of the rituals which are directed towards God.
There's more to it, obviously, but you get the idea. That's not to say you need agree, but once again, it's not really hypocrisy or corruption if you're using two different rulebooks.
- 2 years ago
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monsieurturtle
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Sumbodyswatchin
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Just another drop in the bottomless well of religious hypocrisy.
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Sumbodyswatchin
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metalcookiesxy70
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Its exactly what happened several centuries ago.....
People(Humans) are too slow that they are being manipulated in front of them, when it comes to religion..
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metalcookiesxy70
