Gay Monogamy After Prop 8
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TheCatalystPoet
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Wow..I don't know what was more interesting, the pod of the endless debate in the comments that followed. Either way. I seems likr when it reains it pours. I've been defedning gay marriage on Facebook and Real life all week. After a while the debate gets tiresome. I'm not here to change any opinions, as much as I love to argue, I'm too wry to try today.
But I will say this : Why concern yourself with the relationships of others? Gay/Straight/Whatever, it doesn't matter. It's not your body, mind or soul on the line. As for the Partenting thing, The Father-Son connetion is a beautiful thing, but it can be the same if a woman made it. The concept I see being left out of this discussion is the FACT that no two people are exactly the same. No two women, and no two men. So no generalities about how they act can not be brought into this disscussion. Many hertrosexual couples manage to mess thier kids up beyond repair. Probably because they didnt WANT them in the first place. At least with homosexuals adopting children they aren't raising the child because "Well, the condom broke...so I guess it's this or an abortion." They make the choice to be a parent, and with the way the Children Services system is in this country, it's a good thing that people want to be there for a child and take responibility, regaurdless of their "gender idenity". A penis dosn't make someone a Dad any more than a vagina makes anyone a Mom. Those are relationships built on years of comunication and love. Love has no boundies set by biology.
- 2 years ago
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TheCatalystPoet
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soleil10
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TheCatalystPoet:
The one with the penis is the one who is designed and has the potential to be a great DAD much more than the one with the vagina.
Each child has a birth-right to a father and a mother. This is why, it takes a sperm and an egg to create a child.
Any violation of that law is a violation of human right.
Irreponsible single parenting, divorce etc
The price is paid later by the child and the following generations - 2 years ago
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soleil10
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TheCatalystPoet
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TheCatalystPoet:
Soleil10, I've read your other posts on here, so I know how this is going to go. That being said, I'm not going to indulge you with a response. I've said my peice. You belive what you want. I'm not here to change anyone's mind, despite how much I disagree with them.
- 2 years ago
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TheCatalystPoet
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unclecharlie
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Venus 19000 What you're from the south? I lived in that cesspool, ass backwards state of Louisiana for 4 years!! And that joke is said with all sincerity down there? How does one tell a joke with sincerity? Maybe they tell it with a poker face.
Actually, I never heard anybody tell that joke in the South. Let's hope you never try to become a stand up comedian- I'll be the first one to start throwing tomatoes. Some folks are humorless. :( Go to a bookstore and find a good book of jokes! - 3 years ago
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unclecharlie
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unclecharlie
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Venus 19000,
For cryin' out loud!! That was a JOKE!! I thought it would lighten things up a bit!! Maybe not the best one, but I thought it was pretty funny! I'm no comedian, but that joke has been around a while. Next time, tho- I know, I will preface it by saying "WARNING: THE FOLLOWING IS A JOKE. LAUGH AT YOUR OWN RISK." Ha! Ha! Get it??So, smile!! :) - 3 years ago
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unclecharlie
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venus19000
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unclecharlie:
sorry, I'm from the south.
This kind of thing is said in earnest around me all the time.
- 3 years ago
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venus19000
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venus19000
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to soleil10 and unclecharlie:
So...my boyfriend (I am female) of the past 5 years must be some kind of deranged pervert whose human rights were violated because he was raised without a male parent as result of his father's early death from cancer? He doesn't know what a father is - at least, as much as that child will never know what a mother is.
Anyone who believes that 70% of English men are homosexual is 1) extremely gullible, 2) clearly both a homophobe and a xenophobe capable of almost unimaginable sweeping categorization.
70% of men in prison may be fatherless, but what percent of fatherless men are in prison? Is that fraction significantly higher than fathered men in prison? Do you think that perhaps the economic impact of being raised by a single parent has more of a correlation with crime than number of parental units? Just because two things are correlated does not mean they have a causal relationship. After all, global warming has increased as the number of pirates in the world has declined, but that doesn't mean global warming is caused by the dwindling number of pirates.
If you are going to try to use statistics and facts to back up prejudicial arguments, at least try to use them logically.
- 3 years ago
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venus19000
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soleil10
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venus19000:
We are talking of intentional fatherlessness or motherlessness in a mass scale. We are not talking of death of a parent. Still I am sure your boyfriend must have missed not having a dad.
Mothers know the extra difficulty their son have to overcome when their father was not there for them.
In prison 70% of the men there do not have a dad in their life. Of course single home are also poorer.
Common sense is healthy.
In addition the motivation and the intention behind an action affects the result greatly
- 3 years ago
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soleil10
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unclecharlie
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Why must these people be so hell bent on forcing their views on the rest of us? They try to get their pro-gay propoganda into schools and indoctrinate children! A child needs a mother and a father!! Trying to reverse 2000 years of Judeo-Christian morality. Speaking of which- I have heard that 70% of men in England are homosexual!
So, do you still think, "There Will Always Be an England"?
Ha! Ha! Ha! - 3 years ago
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unclecharlie
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badgerdaveo
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Soleil10 I know it's a waste of my time to respond but I will anyway. Hernon has two parents who love him dearly...that's an environment ANY child thrives in. What about the children of single dads? Or single moms? They grow up without parents of both sexes and often turn out just fine. I know a number of adult children of gay or lesbian families and I don't think they would feel their human rights were violated. Before you start attacking gay families, why don't you get to know a few? I think you'd find gay people a lot less threatening than you want to imagine us to be.
- 3 years ago
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badgerdaveo
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soleil10
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badgerdaveo:
Once again, I am not defending divorce, I am not defending single fatherhood and motherhood.
For many of these people it was even forced upon them by their spouse leaving.
California did a great job introducing no falt divorce and make it easy to have a contract that anyone can break for no reason. The multi $ billion divorce business and governement are very nuch supporting it.
Adultery is now called "lack of judgement"
70 % of men in the jail system are fatherless. It cost $50,000 per year to society to keep one person in jail
The culture of premature sex which is so much supported by planned parenthood, Obama and the teachers union is ravaging our youth under the illusion of "safe sex"
All the same people are behind genderless marriage.
In 30 years these people will escape any responsibility for more damage to our society like they have done all these years
Then a Sean Penn who assauled his first wife, cheated on the second one, broke his kids hearts and his family gives us a sermon on shame.
It is just more delusion.
- 3 years ago
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soleil10
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anglcazn
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badgerdaveo:
OMG! CONDOMS DON'T WORK! PROLIFE.COM SAID SO!
- 3 years ago
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anglcazn
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Obamination
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badgerdaveo:
Statistically the constant condom usage CCU is poor
47% for boys and 28% for girls. Even with those that are using condom consistantly 20 to 30% will contract STDs.Inform yourselves, check different studies, do not drink the Kool aid.
By the way, what kind of parents did you have. You seem so angry with me and condescending.
- 3 years ago
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Obamination
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anglcazn
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badgerdaveo:
"Statistically the constant condom usage CCU is poor
47% for boys and 28% for girls. Even with those that are using condom consistantly 20 to 30% will contract STDs."
Lol. I can't believe I have to argue about this. Ignore the CDC rigorous testings that prove condoms do work. Trust me, I have my own study that proves they work."Inform yourselves, check different studies, do not drink the Kool aid".
Hypocrisy is amazing. Conservatives are textbook cases of psychological projections. Can you even tell me how condoms work and how they're made?"By the way, what kind of parents did you have. You seem so angry with me and condescending."
lol! Condescending in the sense that you're unintelligent. So, to discredit me, you turn to personal insults of my background. I hope it made you feel better about yourself. Especially since you have nothing to back your claims. I love how stupid people make themselves feel better with personal insults because they can't think for themselves. - 3 years ago
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anglcazn
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Obamination
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badgerdaveo:
If you read what I wrote, I did not say that condom did not work, I wrote that they cannot get people to use them on a consistant basis. Studies records only if people use them the first time and the last time they had sex. They are flawed
I asked you a simple question about your family and you became so defensive. That is interesting.
You, talking about insulting others. You are the queen of insults. Chek your posts
- 3 years ago
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Obamination
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Saladin
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badgerdaveo:
Oh they're flawed huh? And the whole not getting pregnant thing, I guess they just lied about that to make the tests work?
I've been running some of my own studies pretty frequently, so far I have a 100% success rate. So does everyone I know for that matter and anyone who has ever cared to talk about it.
How about you? Run many studies or does the female (or male, I dunno) race elude your capture?
I'm guessing they do if you aren't informed enough to know that condoms do work.
You don't think that if these things didn't work as advertised there wouldn't be a dozen media exposes and a hundred class action lawsuits?
Oh that's right, it's all a "conspiracy."
So you asked about her family and she became "defensive?"
Wow, such amazing powers of perception! How do you calculate human emotion from across space and time by reading text on a flickering monitor? That's a doozie.
Trust me, she doesn't spend one minute of sleep being pissed off or defensive of you. Though the fact that you wanted her to be makes me think you might be a sexual predator.
You should prolly get that aggression checked out.
Anywho, is there much else to refute? Not really, what claims have you actually made here other than the laughable one that condoms are unreliable?
Kool-aid? Propaganda? "Thinking for yourself?"
What IS it with social conservatives and psychological projection?
It's like you guys can't help yourselves, you just throw up your own identity all over others whenever politics is brought up. Who am I to know, maybe you do it in your personal life too?
In any case, you can go back to your cave now obamination. If you don't wanna do that, you can always use google for your arguments.
Conservatives kindly provide them for their non-thinking demographic. How else could they achieve their glorious socialist revolution?
Oh now I've called you socialist, that's probably gonna turn a few screws loose.
Whatever, adios butthole.
- 3 years ago
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Saladin
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soleil10
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That child will never know what a mother is ?
What about his human rights
How cruel !!!!!
Genderless marriage are fundamentally sexist.
What a shame !!!
- 3 years ago
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soleil10
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anglcazn
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soleil10:
lol! And what is a "mother." Are you against men who take up mother roles as well then? lol. Go back to the 1950s. And learn your words. Do you even know what gender is without dictionary.com it? Even if you did, you would get the wrong answer. It's a psychology term.
Despite the flaws in your statements and all the evidence that contradicts it, your incredulous behavior is just more evident about your narrowmindedness.
- 3 years ago
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anglcazn
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Obamination
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soleil10:
Men can do some of the task a mother does and vice versa. Each couple is unique.
Men cant be a mother, they do not have breasts and cannot be pregnant.
In case you do not know. Men and women are very, very different.psycologically, physically, emotionally. It is the same for fathers and mothers. All this has been documented over and over unless someone wants to be in denial.
Your genderless society is regressive and even contradict against evolution
- 3 years ago
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anglcazn
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soleil10:
"Men cant be a mother, they do not have breasts and cannot be pregnant."
You obviously missed the question of "What if men took mother roles." You don't have to have a period and give birth to nurture and carry out the role of mothers. But, you're wrong about the breasts part."In case you do not know. Men and women are very, very different.psycologically, physically, emotionally. It is the same for fathers and mothers. All this has been documented over and over unless someone wants to be in denial."
Of course, dodge the question. No one is denying that. The only difference between the sexes is negligible. This idea that men and women are COMPLETELY different are either supported by studies done in the 40s that has now been revised due to new evidence and contradictions or by sexist gender assumptions and stereotypes of how a woman or man should behave. It has been well documented that homosexual parents are the same as heterosexual parents. So, who is denying the facts here?"Your genderless society is regressive and even contradict against evolution"
Can you even define gender?! or evolution? Do you even know what you're trying to argue? - 3 years ago
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anglcazn
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soleil10
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soleil10:
The difference between men and women are huge. It has now become a huge business for many people to give seminar on the sugject and educate how men and women to understand more about each other.
As they say men are from mars and women are from venus
You are out of touch. Basicaly if your are lesbian you would not know anyway, just more denial.
Good luck to you.
- 3 years ago
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soleil10
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Saladin
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soleil10:
You're quoting the self-help industry as an authority on the psychology of men and women?
Authoritative, I've been thoroughly convinced by that.
A bunch of people who prey on the hopes and fears of human beings don't exactly qualify in my book as fair judges of human character. They tell people who they are, then instruct them on how to fix the broken persona they made up about them.
If they were right, they'd have a 100% success rate.
Do they?
Given your attention span, I probably lost you halfway through this, so I'll just move on while you ponder that with your limited intellect. Google is no substitute for thought.
Men and women range so far in how they behave and act that to pretend like they're categorizable on anything other than a physiological level is a joke. If you existed in the human race and could comprehend your surroundings, you'd be able to see that. But you don't do you? You're just some pod person that can't comprehend people outside your own community.
Apparently you've never met a man that likes interior design or a woman that likes football. I'm guessing these people have to be shunned by you because your gender preconceptions shattering would take everything you understand about the world along with it.
And yet given these essential flaws in your worldview, you have the audacity to call someone out of touch?
Maybe she is, but you're in Alpha Centauri by comparison. Fucking light years away. Not even able to comprehend the space you occupy until the light reaches you years later.
And since apparently this is a personal battle, not an intellectual one for you. I'll have you know that a_a has been in a happy relationship with me for nearly 4 years now, and there's no indication that it's going to stop anytime soon. And yes, also FYI, she's bisexual. She sits pretty comfortably in the knowledge of what people she's attracted to.
Can you say the same of yourself? I'll bet it strikes terror in your heart to even think about sexual attraction, let alone which sex you're attracted to.
And just to be a butthole, I'll go one step further and say that you yourself don't have very successful relationships. How could you with a mind that operates like that? And I don't take the personal insults back, it's not like this an intellectual contest anyway.
You abandoned that path before you started it.
So good luck to -you-, because your pathetic life is dying out more and more every day and you've yet to convince a single soul of the supposed homosexual conspiracy and to make the world as you see fit.
Is that God's fault or yours? Isn't that an interesting thing to think about?
Not that you do much of that.
What do you care anyhow? Aren't you going to the place in the sky no matter what happens to the "sinners?"
"You can safely assume that you've constructed God in your own image when he hates all the same people you do."
Maybe ponder that for a while, or don't.
It's not like you need any more refuting anyway.
- 3 years ago
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Saladin
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fauxsherrrr
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Equality will be great for GLBT community! Some time soon, some time soon.
- 3 years ago
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fauxsherrrr
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woodywoodbeck
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Oddly enough, since this was shot I feel like my perspective has changed a bit. Not that I am looking for love because that never works but I feel like my heart and soul have room for it now much more than it did when this was done.
But these amazing couples have given me so much hope. To see the honest, truthful, love and compassion they share is just so heart warming! I dont understand how anyone could say "Hey you two, the ones in love, you can't be together!" Its just not right!
NO ON H8!
- 3 years ago
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woodywoodbeck
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LaCoacha
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I LOVE WOODY!!!! BRAVO! BRAVO!!!
- 3 years ago
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LaCoacha
