Shall we get back to the anti-war movement now?

The sad irony is that the killing of who the man Obama Administration claims was OBL has only re-awakened the bloodlust for war and terror that they felt on the day of 9/11.

People are once again, blinded by their emotions and nearly all critical thinking processes have ceased to function, if they were ever there to begin with. We're about to re-live the war on terror all over again, only with new evils to fight such as Syria and Iran.

Notice how all of the criminals who started these wars are crawling out from their thinktanks to tell us that we still need to bomb more Arab Muslims and Christinas because they can still get us over here if we don't get them over there. We still need to torture because, even though Obama said that his administration doesn't torture, that's how we got the intelligence that led us to bin Laden,

And not only do we still need TSA groping people to prove they are not Al Qaeda, we might even have to have TSA at shopping malls and football games groping, feeling, scanning and harrassing to make sure America is kept safe.

End the wars now!

I think before people get back on their high horse best to see what terrain we're on and where we stand , sending bin laden out to become shark food has an impact the likes of which we have not been able to ascertain yet.

In the meantime every few months iraq troop numbers continue to drop , from a peak 350k too somewhere in the 40k range now so some progress is being made even while we assess the situation.

This is why Bush let UBL get away in the first place...the belief that killing the fucker would end all this BS

I never left it.

Americanz love to kill people most of time not white people except ww1 n 2 they have bloody history and present many people in many countries live in fear of americanz everyday being killed while americanz watch tv and play video games while eating crap food and drinking poison americanz kill and dont care most americanz they are disgusting animals and do not belong in human race

The anti-war movement will not regain traction until the 18-24 age group are once again subjected to a draft. The US government has learned that if they keep the bulk of the American public insulated from the realities of war, there won't be an organized movement to stop them. The American public sees a basically small group of young men and women who are willing to fight these perpetual wars after having been duped into believing that military service is a patriotic thing. It is a cynical trick that has been played on the service personnel of this country and the truth has been neatly kept from them. Pat Tillman had figured out the truth and he had to be silenced. The whistleblowers who have been brave enough to release facts of the lie have been ostracized and jailed. Does this sound like America anymore?

I would like to see all the wars ended. But there's a few problems with getting that to happen. First, there are citizens who still protest the wars but the problem is the media doesn't cover protests like they did in the 60's and 70's. Here in WI, we were lucky to just have some media attention at the capitol for the union/labor protests. Media today is all corporate and right wing. Another problem is the media has convinced the young generation to be militaristic. Who were the bulk of the celebrants at Ground Zero and the WH? Young people who really didn't know WHAT they were celebrating. When we went to the May Day event in Bay View, we saw very few young people. They think war IS the answer. Just as long as they don't have to fight it, and without a draft, they won't have to. Our government wants it that way. So they are unaware of the human costs of war. The wars to the young people are White Noise happening else where that they don't have to concern themselves with. Lastly, our government don't want the wars to end because they are profitable for the people that are filling the politicians pockets.

Great article, Too bad it took this long to see the light. Not all wars make everyone filthy rich.

true .. sadly there may be no arts left to fund...:(

Many of us never left, the press did.

Let's go for the trifecta and end all three, now!

It should be interesting to see what happens with Iraq as we get closer to Dec 31st of this year. Apparently Bush signed an agreement that we would leave by then.

This is just part of the article.

"Anyone who seriously bet years ago that Washington would pull no punches to edit the Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) it signed with Iraq must have reached Wall Street investment banker status by now.

The SOFA was signed by former president George W Bush in November 2008. According to the text, the whole of the US military, plus their civilian personnel, must exit Iraq by December 31, 2011, at midnight. If Washington does not honor the agreement, the US will be technically at war with Iraq - as in US soldiers illegally deployed without the consent of the US Congress.

There's absolutely no evidence this SOFA will be amended before the deadline, although Maliki's government, under extreme pressure, could always ask the Barack Obama administration to extend the occupation. But for this, Maliki needs the Sadrists - which are part of the government.

So Muqtada's message is actually a stern warning to Maliki. And by the way, this is not only about 47,000 US boots off the ground; it's about the end of the Iraq chapter of the US empire of military bases (other rallies went on Saturday near US bases in Kirkuk, Dhi Qar, and al-Asad base in Anbar province).

No wonder both the Obama administration and the Pentagon are on red alert. Vice President Joe Biden urgently called Maliki after Gates left Iraq to keep up the pressure. Iraqi parliamentarians, for their part, stress any extension would have to be approved by parliament. And Muhammad Salman, from the Sunni Iraqiya party (most Sunnis are Iraqi nationalists who also want the US out) has already talked about a popular referendum.

The SOFA itself was supposed to be approved by referendum (it never happened). In a nutshell, the only players who want the US to stay are the military in Iraqi Kurdistan - who fear they may be overpowered by Iraqi Arabs."

Personally I think that there are greater powers than the POTUS and they call the shots. Time will tell who wins out.

http://www.alternet.org/world/150588/if_the_us_doesn%27t_pull_every_soldier_from...

But but but if he is seen as the president who ends wars he'll be attacked for his lack of national security credentials. That statement is counterproductive as engaging in war is a threat to our national security but I didn't say politicians had brains.

Thanks for posting good article.

This interview explains why we are in, and why we will stay in, Iraq.
http://current.com/news/93209100_hello.htm#93209233

There is some very big money insuring that the weapons industry does well, and even more big money pumping up the military to keep the oil interests safe while they pillage at will. If it looks like public sentiment is turning against them, there will be another big boogie man cropping up to keep us in a war. Time to re-read Brave New World.

This is going to take a great deal more than marching. The MIC learned from the 60's, and now they use our system against us. Something is seriously rotten in our republic, and the un-involved public needs to know the name of the demon.

"We need to stop bickering within our own party, get off the couch, march in the streets, make phone calls, send letters, send real letters and not just emails, meet personally with our leaders, and not stop until the wars end." - Yes, you're right; but we need to be reaching out to Independents and Republicans as well. It's going to take a lot of education and proof to change minds, and it's going to take a lot of voters to effect a change.

Even then, I have a strong suspicion that an anti-war President would be either brought to heel quickly, or would cease to be a problem. I have to wonder when President Obama was told, in no uncertain terms, exactly what was expected of him - and the consequences if he dared to go against them. We're playing with the big boys now - and they don't play fair.

That said, keep it going - nothing will happen if we sit on our fat, overstuffed chairs and gritch.

Sorry for the screed - you hit a button. Well done, mspray11, keep the discussion going! ;-) +^

Great article, we can make a difference tell the military industrial complex thats it, it's over!

Great Article mspray11... Nice to see you... =)

Great post.

Voted up.