Medical marijuana: Can't smoke it, but FDA approved scientifically regulated THC

http://current.com/items/89201955/thc_kills_glioma_cancer_cells_medical_miracles...

look at that video link which as you can see is from this site and your going to see the kind of stuff ive been talking about

its not youre fault just keep on trying to make youre life the happyest place you can make it!!!
Dont give in and you will find eternal joy somewere. Just keep on trying!!!!!:D

im sorry dude!!!! ive been half reading whats there after losing my temper with the rest of the world today when i got messed about at the hospital this afternoon.
and dont cuss your own life mate believe me, theres gonna be millions of people that will see you every different day of your life and wish they had something you have.
if i didnt have my daughter and i couldnt have my greens when ambers not with me i would have ended it a long time ago but amber gave me a massive boost with something to be proud of and made me lift my chin and start to grin and get my head back together.
trust me, you have something noone else has and half of em would love mate even if you dont know what it is yet!
but as i said im sorry im in a really bad mood and probably shouldnt be dropping comments on chatboards but gettng no scan wound me up a long way and i kinda got unleashed on you! :)

i am a sap im sorry

No I mean I cant stand my life!!!!

and as far as short term pain relief goes, search again and look for things like arthritis and bone density problems brought on by medication prescribed for other health problems, or all of the other stuff simply caused by short term illness and after effects that aint big enough to use 'cannabis as a cure'
its like a moaning ex, you cant cure everything mate!

for starters who said i cant stand life you sap?
i cant do anything about whats been happening thats pretty much wrecked my life mate so ill just carry on rolling.
cant drive, cant work cant fucking grow up cause im stuck as the 21 year old that found out he was stuck in a barell and the lid wont come off.
ive got a 10 year old daughter thats been phoning ambulances for me since she was 3 years old and a wife im no longer with cause of the pressure it all caused after finding out it wont come out and was malignant 3 months after my daughter was born.
life, its shit, when your not smiling and thats not about being stoned. its about enjoying what you have got instead of frowning about what you want.
nobody can do anything for me apart from me basically, so ill do it my way and with a smile and a nice easy lean towards enjoying the joint i just rolled knowing that the thc/cbd/cbn receptors that are sat on top of my tumor are taking control of everything and calming it all down a lot better than any medication ive ever been prescribed.
im shouting my mouth off in a bad way i know but thats after trying to get a scan done today and having a fit on the scanners table 3 times and ending up being told "you will have to come back tomorrow as we finish at 3".
see how much help i get?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
just roll, smile and shout fuck it.
its all i can do, but the worst side of that?
its more than a doctor, a therapist or a surgeon can do for me, yet still its illegal.
keep smiling dude, it all hurts less.
thats the pain killer, nothing more, nothing less.
SMILE.

i dont know why im not dead but i cant stand life!!?!?!?!?

yes it does mate.
so please go out there and find the cure for the malignant left temporal oligondendroglioma they cant do anything about thats sat in my head, and untill you do, ill leave it to thc, cbd and cbn to take care of and stop my fits the way they have been. thc on its own does not work.
i was told in 97 i would be dead by 02.
i aint got a headache and im not in a bad mood.
ive got cancer.
I cant have chemotherapy, i cant have radiotherapy and they cant do any surgery.
im 32, ive been smoking weed for 18 years and i found out i had the tumour when i stopped smoking it for 6 months and my fits started and my brain scan was done.
i know it brings you life mate.
ITS WHY IM NOT DEAD

it brings youre mind to life and life is good!!

real weed always better but not as standerdised but for people with major illness they need a cure!!! not a temporary pain relief but weed is still a good answer for many things like makeing people happy and chilling out when they have problems!!

thc on its own wont work
Take the sativex and spray it on a joint and you get more than thc, why?, because of the cbd and cbn levels in the straight foward buds that do different things to different people.
Your getting high on THC and stoned on the CBD/CBN, mix the three and and the difference is massive. Get the levels right and your head starts working.
Search cannabis and epilepsy and you will see, thc works but a lot better with cbd applied at the same time, same as cbd wont work without thc.
A straight regulated dose of thc alone in a medicinal situation aint doing a lot for anybody.
So in english, buy your weed, spray the joint with sativex if you get a bottle and feel a lot better about it.

if they being cute bout givin it out go buy some!!!

i want some sativex looks good!!

YES SYTHETIC THC WORKS ITS THE NATURAL ANSWER TO EVERYTHING!!!!

I am prescribed marinol, and it does not work the same as ingesting marijuana.it just feels like another pill is in my body and they don't digest very well.

its all well and good that a synthetic thc may work but when its simply known that thc left as it is can and will do the treatment how has it not been licensed to treat with by now?
i have a brain tumour that causes massive fits and times when i dont have a clue what i did or what happened, yet using cannabis as an illegal medication i manage to handle any fits as an 'absence', your a little but lost in the head for a few seconds basically, rather than hitting the floor and going to hospital everytime.
if you search for it, and excuse me for not dropping a link, you will find reports of thc against brain tumours and the results from testing against marinol with the results from the thc testing massively outweighing those from marinol, total removal of some of the tumours without any surgery at all.
if the marinol can be improved and make this treatment work then there is no question of me using what woud hopefully become a prescribed treatment for the tumour. but when the better and more succesfull treatment already exists and is called thc, why research a synthetic version at the massive expense it comes with??????

I am just adding a note. Sorry I was absent and did not answer questions addressed to me last week.

I did try to answer everyone that asked me questions. If I missed you, please send a message and I'lll get it.

I realize what I say many don't agree with. But I hope that some see medical vs recreational pot in a new way.

And if you want to get high on pot, that's your deal. If you want it leagal, don't veil it under medical use, contact your congressmen, give petitions or speak in front of congress, and see if they will agree. tell them you want your right to get high.

with the counterculture of drugs they might change laws. who knows?

will there be consequences, possibly more than you would bargain for. but at least you'll be high and won't care. and many people routinely get high illegally, they won't care either.

responsible use of pot? wow. what is the defination of that? Getting high only after 5pm? only on weekends? Only a few times a day? A few times a week? Everyone will have a different take on it.

Should you do it around kids? I think not. Reason? second hand smoke. and all the other moral reasons. just because you want it doesn't mean it's good for everyone, including children.

ok the horse has been beaten pretty hard here.

After reading the article, I don't think this is such a bad idea.

The meaning of life is happiness. If you weigh the short-term and long-term pros and cons of something, and it can bring you toward leading a more enjoyable life, more power to you.

All people are different. All circumstances are different. The application of any substance into a situation should be gauged on its effectiveness towards a desired outcome. As long as that desired outcome is not criminally harmful towards others or unreasonably self-destructive, then there should be no reason to denounce it.

Our society if FAR too full of blanket labels, stereotypes, and "expert" opinions from people on the outside who ironically have little first hand knowledge of what they speak. Scientists are good at being scientists, that doesn't necessarily make them exceptional psychiatrists or philosophers. Since their studies are quite often funded by special interests, what do you think the studies are going to conclude? Probably whatever the person funding them wants them to conclude.

I say take everything in context. If you're suffering from cancer or pain, feel free to take whatever you want to make what's left of your life as tolerable as possible. If you're not suffering some serious medical ailment, then marijuana still isn't much worse than alcohol or tobacco, and, as long as you use it responsibly, I don't see what all the fuss is about.

It should be licensed, taxed, and regulated to acceptable use along the same lines as alcohol if you ask me. The behavior alcohol induces is far more dangerous than marijuana, which is the obvious benchmark of our society.

I say, use your own best judgment and apply that to yourself and only yourself. The pros and cons should simply be estimated on a case-by-case basis.

DUH!!

Big Pharma can't make money on plants growing in the ground!

6. Cannabis doesn't do terrible things to your body, in fact, quite the opposite. A study done in the 1980's in Jamaica by Dr. Melanie Dreher showed that babies born to cannabis users tested BETTER on 30 day evaluations than babies born to non-users. After 5 years of age these cannabis kids were doing just as fine as cannabis deprived kids. Bet you haven't heard about that study, have you. That's because of the Government's disinformation campaign. Here is a link to a lecture on the study: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=3931312...

7. If cannabis use caused heart attacks there would be a lot more dead people around. Viagra, however, does cause heart attacks. mmmm .... I don't hear a lot of calls for banning Viagra. I wonder why?

8. A recent large study by Dr. Donald Tashkin of NIDA demonstrated that even long term chronic users of smoked cannabis had NO elevated risk of lung cancer. They conjecture that that is due to the anti-cancer activities of cannabinoids. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. But don't put tobacco in your pipe -- that will kill you.

9. Angel, as a mouthpiece for the government dogma, you seem inordinately concerned with THC. Actually, that is the problem with synthesized drugs, they are taken out of context. They are manipulated so they may be patented, which means that the natural molecular structure is altered for purely commercial reasons. Think "birth control pills": synthetic progesterone offers no protection against breast cancer, but it was put in birth control pills because it was patentable. And women got breast cancer from it. Yes, I really trust drug companies to have my best interests at heart. And our dear government is in bed with them.

OK, this is a point by point response to angel4truth.

1. the ban on cannabis has caused: drug cartels, criminalization of youth, sales to minors, restrictions on research, oppression of minorities and other undesirable groups. It has done nothing to reduce cannabis use.

2. There are many "legal" medications that contain the warning: "Do not drive or operate heavy machinery." Should they be banned?

3. People think they are safer when they take a pill, because the amount is regulated. In fact, the regulated amounts are often too strong for the elderly, and women or people with small frames. So where is the safety in pills?

3. Stronger cannabis is better because you use less. People titrate effectively when smoking, though it is less easy to do when ingesting. Never-the-less, it is impossible to overdose on cannabis. You will simply fall asleep (granted you don't want to be driving at the time -- but you don't want to be driving on Nyquil either).

4. What, I ask you, is the problem with making cannabis legal for responsible adults? The government is so afraid of medical cannabis because they rightly feel that when people realize how benign it really is, they will insist that we stop wasting 30 billion a year on its eradication.

5. People who use cannabis recreationally do not "crawl out of the woodwork" like worms. They are not slackers nor pot heads, nor losers, nor sub-human, nor scary, nor communists, nor hippies. They are regular folks just like you, angel. Only they do not feel the need to marginalize those who disagree with them.

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That would be your decision. I totally respect that.

Personally from the nightmare stories that I have hard from people taking "natural" remedies for different pain diseases alone or with medicines, I vote for the FDA researched specifically dosed and consistent quality product.

I have created in 1994, and it is still very active, an online support group for people with chronic pain conditions. My buddy Dougal, coded it in perl and I did the html for the information website that went with it on different pain conditions.. all in word pad. Geez that was so long ago!

But, over the years many people have found themselves in the ER or have had some pretty bad stuff happen just due to the lack of regulation, computability and quality of the "natural " products.

My point is natural does not equal safe.

We see this argument come up every year when new people come around. It's interesting.

I tell people it's a personal choice.

One girl told me she uses "e" to control her pain. I know why she did it, but didn't agree with it due to the same reason, lack or regulated doses & quality. But "e" gives a huge seratonin boost and that therefore reduces the pain, exhaustion and depression of people with chronic pain syndromes.

Hey thanks for reading all.
Have a good one :)

First of all..
THANK YOU for reading that long, long discussion about medical use of THC. I know that took up time, and I truly appreciate that you did.

I saw many posts about the natural product being better than the approved synthetic THC that is available and working for the ailments it was designed to treat. Key HERE is what it is designed to treat, I think. They did isolate THC 9 and THC 11 during the process. Patients with AIDS & chemo did really well. Not much as been tested with chronic pain issues.
There are 400+ other chemicals in plants, depending on what you have, and the presence of what you have can vary a bit. Many of the doctors do not suggest having all those other ingredients, it's just too much of a risk for a chronically ill patient. Especially one that would be on long term use.

Long term use, I am thinking 20-30 or more years. So there is a bit more to consider in that case. Knowing that the person does not have the same immune or possibly cellular repair that a normal person has.

The possibility of additional medicines being extracted and synthesized from the plant, in my humble opinion is rather high. Most of our medicines are derived from nature. Example Aspirin = white willow bark and buffering, stabilizing ingredients.. but how much bark do you eat to get the 500 mg for an extra str dose?

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Hi there,
Then get it out on Perscription.

THC is only one element of cannabis. It is not as effective as the full plant extract. THC's effect is mitigated by the other cannabinoids. Even the US Govt. holds a patent on the use of cannabinoids in the treatment and prevention of many diseases (patent #6,630,507). The real reason that it remains illegal is the pigheadedness of those in authority who do not want to look at what science shows, who blame cannabis for the very problems that have been created by its prohibition: crime wave, drug cartels, sales to youth. Clearly we must legalize, regulate and educate.

With all of the studies showing how medical THC can help all kinds of people manage their pain one wonders why the government is so against it. When you have seen (as I have) a cancer patient wasting away, so sick that they can't eat or move and it is someone you care about, you will disagree with this countries policy on legal THC.

This is a cure all and the government don't want us to have it. The pills don't work,nobody ever overdosed on
pot,its impossible.Strength is an issue California grows one of the strongest back in the 60's 70's and early 80's
the average weed was Mexican ,then you had Colombian gold, panama red, Ty sticks,and so on but the best is Maui weed . try finding any weed from back then is impossible.Now all the pot is grown in the U.S.A.
and our war on drugs is not looking here.Prices ranged from $15 an oz to $60 an oz for the wheel chair weed back in the good old days...

with the track record of the drugs the pharmeseuticals put out, i would rather smoke it or ingest it. i would never take anything from the drug companies.

I'm thinking 'Why not' if the chemical THC can help those with conditions that are only treated with pain relief then being a more naturally occurring substance this could benefit many people who need help with their condition.

Marinol does not work ! Thc is only one of the active ingredients in marijuana's 300+ compounds that helps users find relief from their suffering. Our bodies canabanoid system is linked to the many canabanoid chemicals in the plant. The canabanoid system is closely related to the pain centers of the body. Maranol contains no canabanoids like the eaten or smoked plant does and is much less effective for users, who also complain about the paranoid and uneasy feeling that pure Thc induces, unlike the plant form. Eat the pot if the doctor is against smoking it! No one said you had to smoke it. It's just a little tid bit of information for your research.

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Now.. the
Second group of people:

2. People who have true need/reasons to use THC. These people totally benefit from the FDA synthetic THC. It works and is plentiful. Your doctor can give it to you with confidence of knowing exactly how much THC you will have, when to increase, etc.

I had been helping a family member with health issues and here on current, medical use of THC comes up quite often. I know that she would not want to feel out of control or high. How would she get anything done?

For medical purposes, people just want to feel better. They would like the medical benefits period. And if they are smart they will want something that a doctor can control, that will be the same every time they take it and is not bad for you.

Face it, if you are sick enough to have to resort to THC, you are pretty fucked up... and the last thing you need in your life is that list of the shitty things that smoking pot WILL do to your body.
Think about it, for medical reasons, people could be put on the THC for weeks, months, maybe years.

If it is for control of chronic pain, for instance: THC is sometimes better than morphine, and with lower levels of meds in your system... over the course of years and years... it will be better for your organs that are processing the medicine.

You can't forget that.

So, people who need THC to live a decent life, they will be able to get the tablet and it's good.

If you are using medical Marijuana as an excuse to produce, smoke, or get high ... well that is not the goal of medical Marijuana.

That would be a totally different issue.

Before now, I wasn't aware that it is already here, and quite possibly available in every state. It's FDA approved.

I read several periodicals from teams of doctors researching the oral synthetic THC. Their findings were a little different from that of "regular" pot smokers.

The medical research says that the THC is measured, accurate and does not expose the patient to possible extensive negative effects that smoking the natural plant has vs taking the THC pill.

Pro Marijuana websites often say that the pill isn't as good as the plant because they don't get as "high" off it in so many words. Of course there are hundreds of chemicals the pill doesn't give you. There is a reason for that. The THC that they have synthesized does what it is intended to do.

But because THC is the main mind altering ingredient in weed, the tablets must have warning that it can cause a "high" effect and not to drive, etc.

So again that leads me to WHY?
Do people just wanna get high legally and be able to buy product at the store instead of doing some shady drug deal?

Or is there true concern for the health of people who the THC be able to have a constant and regulated way to get the THC?

Which is it?
It seems to be a cop out argument to keep saying make pot legal so we can use it for medical stuff when THC is concentrated and put into medicine already.

Personally, I think there is a population of people just want to get high. And will use what ever excuse to make it easier.

Then what about the argument that weed is better for the body than alcohol? well.. when they start prescribing vodka etc... then we can have that discussion.

Again that's not a medical THC argument, but one for another forum.

I'll be amazed if anyone reads all this. Hope it helps people with the issue. That is the GOAL.