Sen. John McCain on stage for acceptance speech
source: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/04/rnc.day/index.html
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clayjj05 [removed]
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reading the biased comments on thsi site is absolutely painful.
- 3 years ago
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clayjj05 [removed]
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walski
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Wow you guys really weren't listening, probably couldn't hear over your own ax grinding, but he not only mentioned middle class but gave specific examples, by name, of farmers, factory workers and small business owners and how his plan would help them.
btw. Bush is done, I was never a fan, but voting Obama doesn't hurt Bush. This election is military, political and business experience, which is where McCain's $ comes from vs. Obama's experience at becoming a politician with no real platform and being a lawyer, (need more of those in the White House)
- 3 years ago
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walski
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elspeth
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Watching this speech was absolutely painful.
- 3 years ago
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elspeth
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walski
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No he is actually dead on with tax cuts for businesses. It is due to the high taxes on business and mandates for employers to provide certain benefits that have crushed our economy.
I have been apart of starting a few successful businesses and I can tell you, nothing is "made in America" anymore because of the high cost of manufacturing here. When automobile co.s that originated here are manufacturing overseas you know something is wrong. Also wealthy business owners are putting their $ into foreign markets, especially Japan because it cost so much less to invest in them.
Just try to start a business and have shipments crossing our borders and you will quickly see why McCain sees these tax breaks as a solution. We have already lost automobile manufacturing look at the ghost town Detroit has become.
Before attacking his plan, get some experience in the area of running a business. Oh wait, you're Obama supporter, evidently experience means little to you.
- 3 years ago
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walski
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crob80227
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walski:
Lets review the numbers and make it simple enough for even a Repulican to follow:
US worker: $17/hr and up (just to meet cost of living here in America)
Chinese worker: 25 CENTS/hr (and LOWER in the more impoverished parts)
So lets say Man-Child McCain drops taxes to ZERO -- which country is going to be cheaper to manufacture in?
China, Mexico and India win every single time.
How do we -- the largets market on earth -- combat that?
Well, for starters we should stop trying to compete head on with China in terms of wages or manufacturing costs because we will NEVER bet them. Their standard of living is so low that they can practically go down to 1 cent a month and still be able to survive.
But we BUY everyhting they sell and then re-sell it here -- so maybe the answer is tarrifs? There is no global economy with out the purchasing power of the US. If we dont buy, there is no Chinese economy. So we have to use that power to our advantage!
The problem is that every single country on earth (aside from Europe) can manufactue EVERYTHING cheaper than we can and taxes aint got shit to do with it. We can drop taxes to zero for every company in America and it will STILL be cheaper to use Chinese slave labor. Taxes are not the solution.
Problem #2 is we cant run a 1st world economy without manufacturing.
So if taxes arent the problem, then we need to figure out something else.
We did the DECADE of rebates, free cash, zero taxes, etc --- and it didnt do a damn thing to stop the race to go to China to utilize their slave labor. So after a solid DECADE of giving away free cash to companies, they still left the US to use the Chinese slaves. Its just a fact. No matter what we did, slavery was still cheaper than a US worker.
We need a solution beyond taxes because taxes aint the problem.
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crob80227
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justright
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walski:
Bush-McCain would have the US economy (at least the working class) mirror China's.
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justright
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justright
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McBush: What, Obama's doing well with a change campaign.... well I'll be a change candidate too!
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justright
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ChuckieB
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So one more time.....
So he's a POW...Got it!
He's survived cancer...Got it!
She's a hockey mom..Got it!
She's got a baby with downsyndrome...Got it!
He's a POW...Got it!
She's a hockey mom...Got it!Got it! Got it! Got it! I F**cking got it! Now are these
two gonna talk about the issues facing americans and their plan of action or are they gonna talk about themselves all dayMcCain/Palin are ridiculous...the 9/11 tribute was unnecessary and despicable... So much for diversity at the RNC... So much for talking about solutions to the problems that face middle class Americans
What a waste of time and money.
Nearly a week of whine,bitch, whine.
Definitely "A bridge to nowhere" and like Palin said,
"Thanks, but no thanks"Obama/Biden 08
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ChuckieB
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stephenthomson
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ChuckieB:
the RNC is an ego fest, under the guise of "sacrifice for country". What people need to realize is that "my country" and hyperpatriotism is still just an extension of the ego.
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stephenthomson
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crob80227
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McCain is not very smart when it comes to economics.
His plan is to cut taxes on businesses and HOPE they use the money to build factories here and employ American workers.
But any idiot can see that doesn't work.
McCain breaks out the taxpayers debit card, hands ACEM Corp a few million dollars in tax breaks and then (like a naive little child) asks, "So! You're going to build a new factory here in the US, right?"
ACME Corp looks at McCain with pity (and a little disgust at his naiveté) and say, "Um, about that. No. Thanks for all the cash and everything, but we decided to go ahead and build a new factory in China. Cheaper. Kids works for only a penny an hour!"
McCain like a naive little child asks, "What about all the CASH we gave you? Ya gonna give it back?"
ACME Corp laugh. "No. But thanks anyway! You can come a visit me on my new boat. Gotta get going, but thanks again for all the cash!"
McCain. A nice guy, but a hopelessly naive idiot when it comes to economics.
Just handing piles of cash to companies and hoping (hoping???) they build a factory here instead of just fucking us over and going to China isn't so much a plan as just plain stupid.
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ESKCSG:
awesome photoshop. and yea, that smile of his, fakest shit i've ever seen.
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stephenthomson
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satanskidney
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ESKCSG:
not really defending him here but since when has any politician answered a question directly?
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satanskidney
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crob80227
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Being a foot soldier/grunt doesn't make you a better General.
Being a General makes you a better General!
Working as an accounts payable clerk doesn't give you more "experience" to be a Certified Public Accountant --- the job, responsibilities, perspective, etc are all totoally different.
Being a bomber pilot really didn't do shit to teach McCain how to be a General.
Seriously, do you think flying in a bomber plane or sitting in a POW cell actually taught him how to manuever troops in Iraq?
Being a General or a NATO Commander is not "just the same as" being a bomber pilot.
Just like working a Jiffy Lube is not "just the same as" being a certified NASCAR mechanic.
We need to (respectfully, of course) keep pointing out that A does not equal Z.
Being a bomber pilot really doesn't qualify you to be a General or a NATO Commander or frankly (to be blunt) teach you anything other than....how to be a bomber pilot!
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crob80227
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crob80227:
Aha, good point.
I personally think his POW time is very respectable, but it doesn't make him a better person or any more qualified to run a country.
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crob80227:
I think you just proved my point as far as McCain and his military experience.
I would much rather have a Jiffy lube mechanic take a shot at fixing my race car than an accounts payable clerk.
And I would also rather have an accounts payable clerk take a shot at my taxes rather than a Jiffy lube mechanic.
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dabne
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kennyJ
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If you ask me, a 72 year old president with a VP that has NO foreign policy experience is extremely DANGEROUS during a war on terror, a war in Iraq and a mini one in Afghanistan!
But more to the point, one McCain bio video complete with voice over and one well written speech doesn't UNDO the fact he voted with Bush 90% of the time!
It doesn't change the fact that McCain himself is what needs to be changed in Washington... 40 years ago he WAS a truly great hero- but he ain't perfect and so eventually he became a just another special interest politician...
Maybe having 8 houses in 3 time zones changes a man?
In order to put "Country First" one has to NOT vote for the Status quo!
- 3 years ago
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dabne
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One thing that that people don't seem to understand. Especially if they never served in the military, is that someone like John McCain, who has actually seen the horrors of war is far more likely to keep us out of wars than someone who has never served....ie...George Bush. When dems cry this "more of the same" rhetoric, it's total BS, it's just a slogan.
Again, Obama's lack of any military experience scares the hell out of me. As did George Bush's when he was elected, but then again he was running against Al Gore, so the options sucked anyway.
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dabne
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dabne:
Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld had military experience?
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dabne:
I think you need to read my comment again more carefully.
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dabne
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vladbox
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ZZZZZzzzzzzzzz.....hmmmm/.........what what?
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Danielahalo
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Didn't anyone catch the subtle foreshadow..... we're going to start WWIII with this Russia/Iran mess. Obama has never looked so good.
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Danielahalo
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arcticspirit
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Wow. Most of the responses here declare a successful brainwashing from the Liberal media.
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arcticspirit
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arcticspirit:
I don't watch mainstream media, so stuff your generalizations. Not everyone falls into this neat little box you've built up. How about offering something constructive and remotely intelligent to say?
People on all sides see McCain for how he is. I am a nonpartisan voter, and while I find all the candidates fallible, McCain is an elitist with the record to prove that he doesn't care about anyone who isn't in his circle of interests. Check his voting records. Remember: this is one of many people who voted down providing financial assistance to Katrina victims. Not to mention he voted against raising minimum wage.
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I think it's ludicrous for him to position himself as a change candidate considering republicans have had complete or partial power in Washington for the last 28 years. During which most of the problems we are currently dealing with were created.
But with that being said after skimming the other comments he connected well with his base and explained his platform.
My problem was the glaring contradiction of being a hero for being tortured at the Hanoi Hotel but being for torture at G-Bay. But I guess common sense isn't that common anymore.
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McCain dispelled any ideas that he is another Bush. He is his own man.
I listened to Obamas, Palens and McCains speech. The constrast between the candidates could never be more real. The vacuousness of Obamas speech (Biden doesn't count. He has been vacuous for years) vs the real message of change and service coming from McCain and Palen is quite a difference.
Surprise. The platform the Democrats are running on, that of change, is seen for what it it- more of the same. The only real change seems to be from the Republican side. - 3 years ago
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Paratus:
you forget they got us in this mess???
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SDLN
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I thought his speech was old and tired, like him... and most of the people in the audience. The perfect compliment to Palin's shrill and punditic banterings.
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SDLN
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intelligenceisacurse
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Since when is fighting in a war a good thing?
Why is blind support of war good?
I do not get you people.
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intelligenceisacurse
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clayjj05 [removed]
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intelligenceisacurse:
when it is for your country its an honor
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justright
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He was a soldier, a poor one, but a soldier nonetheless. While most men fought, he got caught.
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justright:
so your suggesting the other fighter pilots who were shot down and tortured service is diminished because of being shot down.
My uncle made it through nam, i havnt asked him but i doubt he would say that being caught was a disservice to the cause.
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justright:
I guess you will be giving us proof your uncle was in nam, Also I will pass on you sending me pictures of your gay porn.
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justright:
i believe he was drafted in 71 or 70, because of a birthday lottery that they played on tv every week. You would know alot about that wouldn't you.
Unlike the air-force he actually fought a war.
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clayjj05 [removed]
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clayjj05 [removed]
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Great speech.
Other than screaming about what he will lie about doing for the country his speech actually had substance.
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clayjj05 [removed]
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retired_airforce
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He is no american hero , He gets all the credit while most of us who actually fought in nam get forgotten.
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retired_airforce:
i guess getting tortured and refusing release makes him a coward?
This man cannot even bend his shoulders from being a tortured pow. How can you discredit a man of this caliber. You claim to be in the airforce. So why would you deliberately make his war efforts invalid. Everyone has who is living today knows someone from that conflict, and everyone honors their sacrifice. What makes you think that his sacrifice is below yours. Have you been tortured for 5 years willingly and unpronounced for your fellow soldiers? You were in the air-force so statistics would say otherwise.
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retired_airforce:
I dont like to talk about nam, but what kinda proof would you like? Also I would like some proof that you are actually a man.
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retired_airforce:
if youd like me to email you a picture of my dick go ahead
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satanskidney
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the sad thing is that he's so old and senile that he probably thought it was his 150th birthday again.
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rockon
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Thank You John McCain! He may not be a gifted speaker, But he has my Vote.
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ruli22
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OMG... John is a funny guy...
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4thEye
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i fell asleep during his speech
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justright
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4thEye:
So did McCain! The embalming fluid kept him moving.
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4thEye:
I actually did too.
We are not the only ones, Im sure.
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4thEye:
lol!
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blueman53
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narcissism goes on the democrat side
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stone246
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Using the 9/11 video was not cool at all though. that was a low point of the whole thing. and whats with the RNC being all militaristic and stuff.
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Most of the mCCain rhetoric revolved around
fight for this, fight for that... POW this, POW that...
Never mind that The Vietnam war as well as The Iraq War were not needed, tragic waste of life as well as infrastructure and money- these wars were political mistakes to put iot nicely!So I guess to be a great American you have to go fight in
in some political arbitrary war- be a warrior! Well according to this cultural belief "Rambo" would make a great president too!Mccains speech is a microcosm of the difference between the two parties-
education vs. abstinence
evolution vs. creationism
diplomacy vs. arbitrary war
intelligence vs. narcissism
liberty and science vs. right-wing self righteousness
sustainability vs. monopoly
democracy vs. plutocracy
Obama/biden vs. McCain/Palin
The choice is clear! - 3 years ago
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dabne
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The biggest thing I'll remember about the crowd at the DNC was that they were chanting O-BAM-A!
The biggest thing I'll remember about the crowd at the RNC was that they were chanting
U-S-A!
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dabne:
yeah i got tired of them chanting u.s.a also, you think they could of come up with something else, we know this is the u.s.a.
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dabne:
that's sad if the biggest thing you would remember about your candidate is the chantings instead of the direction and the issues that he spoke of.
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dabne:
Who cares about cheering for the us? We're a shit country in need of someone to fix it, ie Obama...
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dabne:
jac you are out of yoru mind i think darfur would be considered a shitty place. Give up your starbucks for a day and think about this being a shit hole.
ignorance is bliss
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dabne:
actually, they chanted USA at the DNC too. selective hearing much?
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dabne:
they were just reminding McCain he is here and not Hanoi.
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dabne:
It sounded like they were chanting "KKK" so are we sure it was USA? Now remember, the South was 100 soild Democratic until we passed the Civil Rights bill....and then in fury the Segregationist Dems switched to the Republican party. I'm just saying! Just pointing out that -- you know -- that wasn't that long ago that happened and those people are still alive and still registered to vote....as Republicans. Just saying!
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stone246
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I personally thought that he did good in terms of sticking with the issues and explaining his plan to the people. now we need to decide who has the best policies between the two.
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stone246
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stone246:
That is the name of the game now. Listen and Learn.
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stone246:
really? must have missed that part all i heard was the same ol shit, we need to change this we need to change that.
when are people going to wake up and see that the republicans got us in this mess, why should we give them the chance to get us out. - 3 years ago
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stone246:
explaining a plan?? thats a damn joke. i waited all night to hear his plan. what he mentioned were ISSUES. two light years away from a plan. i'm skeptical of your definition of plan...
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eh...... NEXT!!! Where's the issues that effect actual Americans?
"I hate war"-----but love the profits. GO AMERICA!!!!!!
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joshua2310:
I love war too.
I hope they bomb the shit out of everyone.
I invested in war compaines when Bush took office.
Not but a week after so.And thank god.
Bomb! Bomb! Bomb!
My youngest still needs to get through three more
years of Harvard, I need to pay for it somehow.With the innocent blood of others is working for me.
Lets keep it up folks, please, just one more war.That should set me for life, then I wont care what happens.
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justright, you are a hate monger!
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blueman53:
People that try to destroy my life and my world deserve it.
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blueman53:
Wow, "justright' is to far gone. let Him/Her be.
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blueman53:
How is McCain trying to destroy your life and your world? he doesn't even know who you are.
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blueman53:
rockon, your right. I'm done
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I think the Vietnamese did more damage than we knew, he is really out of his mind.
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"You've got me st-st-st-st-studdering"
what was the deal with that? His speech didnt move me into either his court or obamas. It was good, but not great.
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Oh yes McCain, more drilling is what we need. Never mind the environmental destruction and the years it will take for it to have its minimal effect. And instead of fixing and giving more funding to failing schools lets just overcrowd better schools. God I can't stand this man.
Shout out to the Iraq Vets Against the War (IVAW)! Represent!
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Stand up, Stand up!
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justright
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Lets take on Russia again! USA USA USA USA USA USA
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justright:
You are just starting to sound dumb. That is your right and I would fight to the death for you to have it.
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justright
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Drill drill drill...
Look at how many kids McCain and Palin have put together (12), no wonder they're drill crazy. - 3 years ago
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Sad that American voters are like moths with ether deprived minds. They are flying in the dark the whole time and then bump their heads into the two biggest light sources on the northern hemisphere and wonder why they have a headache.
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that stupid smile he has...my gawd!
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lulu81:
i laugh everytime he smiles. he's such a dork
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lulu81:
what does that make you?
oh ya, an over privileged american.
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If 62 percent of people voted this down. why is this the number one story?
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VegaNerDiva:
Breaking news is always first.
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VegaNerDiva:
because this is a liberal swamp fest, when you guys lose are you going to cry or leave the country?
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VegaNerDiva:
indeed. i'm leaving this country if mccain becomes president. thankfully i get along well with the rest of the world so it shouldn't be a problem.
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anikhanj
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I must say, the crowd looks less than exuberant. Even Palin looks bored! He's not that interesting of a speaker, I suppose.
The RNC just reaffirmed Obama's presidency.
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anikhanj:
The Republicans can pay people to fill seats but enthusiasm costs extra.
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justright
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I wonder how much they paid the two black people to be there?
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justright
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justright:
that like everyone else in this capitalist society, they like money?
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justright:
What are you trying to say about black people?
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justright:
^^that they got paid..and good money too :-p
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justright:
Spoken Like A True Racist
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justright
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Here comes change Washington, now i plan on screwing up America even more than my lover George.
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lulu81
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if i hear about him being in that war...ONE MORE TIME!!!!
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lulu81:
John McCain was in a War. There you go.
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lulu81:
great..now im really not voting for him
Obama thanks you!
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lulu81:
lulu you are delusional.
Obama's greatest feat was being a community organizer. Oh and his community is still a shit hole, guess he didnt do such a bang up job.
Mccain is a real hero
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lulu81:
yea i guess bringing a community together is so passé.
any dipshit can join the army and get himself POW'ed.
fuck McCain.
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lulu81:
community organizer--code word for trying to better your communtity--Oh God for Fucking-bid!
What has McCain done since he's been in Washington--nada, ziltch, and what ever other words Rudy can think of.
McCain = Bush.
both were fuk-offs in there youth. only thing diff. is McCain think its cool and hip. - 3 years ago
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erikjh1972
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walski
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lulu81:
Omg I am so tired of hearing about him being a POW, I mean you don't hear Obama talking about living through Vietnam, maybe cause he was popping zits and passing notes in class.
Why would military experience qualify you to be president? I mean we only have the largest military in the world and it's been like a decade since we were last attacked. We never found any WMD's but I guess all you need is a box cutter, lenient immigration laws and slacked borders. Who cares about the soldiers who already died freeing Iraq from genocide, I mean Iraq is so 90's. I am more concerned with my community's organization. - 3 years ago
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walski
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redvelvet1278
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lulu81:
i'm not saying i want to sit in a damp dark room for years but this man makes himself out to be some kind of "saving private ryan" type hero- he did very little fighting, then got caught and dumped in a hole. i understand that this toughens you and makes you stronger and blah blah blah.... but might it not also make you- INSANE? again, as always, i am just posing an idea.
- 3 years ago
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redvelvet1278
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seanalyn
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lulu81:
I love that he constantly says that he hates talking about his POW experience but that was like the focal point of the convention!
Yes he was a POW and that sucked, but being a POW does not necessarily make you a good leader! Hundreds of American soldiers have been imprisoned and they arent all running for office. I hate when people try to use military as an excuse for political experience.
I have a lot of wonderful friends in the military and you know what, as passionate and hardworking as they are, I wouldnt trust half of em to be able to run a boy scout meeting let alone the country.
- 3 years ago
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seanalyn
