No on Prop H8
source: http://www.eqca.org/site/pp.asp?c=kuLRJ9MRKrH&b=4375153
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Arguing that "homosexuality isn't natural" is irrelevant. Homosexuality is legal. Nearly everything we do is unnatural and ‘natural’ has nothing to do with marriage and the legal system. Arguments based on morality and the Bible are equally invalid. All arguments that homosexuality is immoral (and this argument assumes that those making it would be for outlawing homosexuality, not just marriage) arise from religion, which has no place in the legal system. And again, homosexuality is legal.
"Same-sex marriage destroys 'real' marriage" is a baseless argument. Despite the fact that one marriage cannot possibly destroy marriage, it continues to be used despite there never being any back up for it. Britney Spears' sham marriages have done more to degrade marriage. Same sex marriage does not steal your marriage. No one is forcing you not to get married, no one is forcing you to marry someone you don't like, no one is undoing your marriage. To say that it is outright dishonest and low.
Same-sex marriage has nothing to do with families. Many advocates of Prop H8 claim that its about families and that children need a mother and father. Yet single parenthood is entirely legal and to suggest that people may not adopt or have children if they so choose is an incredible violation of personal freedom. However, legally marriage has nothing to do with children. It is simply two consenting adults choosing to be together.
Same-sex marriage will not lead to pedophile marriages or bestiality marriages, as some nutcases claim.These people dishonestly and knowingly ignore the fact that those types of relationships are in the first place illegal and in the second illegal because one party in each of those kinds of relationships cannot give consent. Same-sex marriage does not really change the definition of marriage. In fact, it is Prop H8 that takes rights away from homosexual families and redefines marriage as between a man and a woman only. Prop H8 will take away the rights of children and partners to see their loved ones on the death bed and to get the same rights we all take for granted. Prop H8 hurts children, not the other way around.
Homosexuals have done nothing illegal and are consenting adults. All they want is the same respect and legal status our society sees no problem in giving to shams of marriages like those of Britney Spears. Why is it that those people can marry whoever they please without reason yet homosexuals may not? Why is it that homosexuals must meet the requirement to being able to have children or even wanting to, yet heterosexuals must not? It is blatant dishonesty and double standards. Prop H8 proponents say they support it because the Supreme Court overturning "the will of the people" was undemocratic yet they are turning around and taking private rights away from people.
If Prop H8 passes, I urge everyone to REFUSE to respect marriage. If freedom does not belong to everyone, it belongs to no one, and the same applies to marriage. Marriage is a right, not a privilege, and it means nothing unless it belongs to all consensual human beings. Let's make marriage actually mean something and continue to allow those who truly want it--unlike shams like Britney Spears--have it. If you're still not convinced, think carefully. If you vote yes on Prop H8, you are saying it is OK for the government to control your marriage. You have no right to complain if other people decide that your marriage is illegitimate and no longer legal because it is your second marriage. That means you're fine with the government taking away your right to marry because you cannot bear children. Unless you're a dishonest hateful hypocrite of course.
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oxy
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No on prop 8 = family and children too.
My best friend has two moms (see that at http://abbmp3.com/), and they have two really great daughters.
"Gay" isn't a disease, it's not contagious, it's not going to hurt anybody, it's just a way of life that's different from you.
Gay men can't have their own children, so if they want to raise a family, they'd be giving a kid without a family, a home and parents that love them, that's a good thing.
- 1 year ago
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oxy
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EthicalVegan
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http://current.com/news/92586644_california-prop-8-federal-judge-rules-prop-8-un...
California Prop. 8 | Federal Judge Rules Prop. 8 Unconstitutional!!!
http://current.com/news/92586644_california-prop-8-federal-judge-rules-prop-8-un...
- 1 year ago
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EthicalVegan
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onechance
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Check this out
- 3 years ago
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onechance
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otahughes
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Vote No on 8 . i am a black lesbian who is being descriminated once again, just as in the civil rights movemonte! I thkin those of you who don't want be to be married don't have to come to the wedding!
- 3 years ago
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otahughes
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Songbird_Sweety
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Ur choice 2 vote on prop 8 won't stop gay pride even if it does pass!!! lol
- 3 years ago
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Songbird_Sweety
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swimmersd
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I have to say that people have a right to their own opinions. I will vote yes on prop 8 because I cherish the true alue of marriage. My religion states that a marriage is between a man and a women. No one can tell me that my morals are incorrect, it is just what I believe. You can do whatever the hell you want, no one can stop you, but when it comes to marriage (for me) it is between a man and a women. Oh by the way one other reason I will be voting yes is because went to Disneyland during gay pride week (had no idea it was going on). All of the gay/lebians were running around with red shirts that said gay days 08. It made me disgusted, if you want to be treated qual then act equal. Do I run around with blue shirts that say hetro days 08'??? To answer my own question, no I do not. It killed me that this took place at Disneyland! Like I said do what you want but why subject little children to see this? They have no concept of why two men or women are swopping spit. I will tell you one thing, I do not think we should have to tell our children that there are people out there that like the same gender. I value the defenition of marriage, and it was placed for a reason. Sorry guys ): I don't havproblems with conservative gay people but I don't believe that mariage is defined as marriage to a man and a man or women to women.
- 3 years ago
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swimmersd
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eldamon
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This isn't even about marriage or gays for that matter, it's about equal rights. There was a day when Blacks and Hispanics were told who they were allowed to marry. It was barely over 50 years ago when segregation and internment was not only legal but excepted. Apparently we don't learn from our mistakes. And when I say we, of course I mean the idiots that would support this arcane proposition.
- 3 years ago
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eldamon
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Songbird_Sweety
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PoisonTheMonkey has a weird name, but explains this topic very well!!! Good job!!! NO ON PROP 8!!!
- 3 years ago
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Songbird_Sweety
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lulu81
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very nice post! equality for everyone:)
- 3 years ago
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lulu81
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The_Natural [removed]
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The_Natural [removed]
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PoisonTheMonkey
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The_Natural:
And how is that? I'd say it's the complete and utter opposite.
Our country was founded on personal freedom, equality, and rights. This is a blatant violation of that, Proposition 8 is unAmerican, unConstitutional and just plain cruel.
I challenge you to actually back up your statement, something homophobes and Prop Hate supporters seem to be incapable of doing.
- 3 years ago
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PoisonTheMonkey
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ryanscott2
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i can't believe how uptight people are! you'd think they'd be worrying about the fact that their kids are getting a total crap education, can't compete in the global economy, they are losing their houses, not whether 2 people want to get married!
"well I might be stupid and broke and soon to be homeless, and the country has mortgaged our childrens future, but at least my kids don't have to live in a world where we let gay people have rights! yee haw!"
get your priorities straight, people!
- 3 years ago
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ryanscott2
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PoisonTheMonkey
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ryanscott2:
I agree 100%. The fact that they pour so much money into this is saddening.
- 3 years ago
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PoisonTheMonkey
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PoisonTheMonkey
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I agree. Giving them one inch is giving them an inch on all issues--they will not stop until divorce is illegal, single parenthood is illegal (as Soleil10 herself has admitted), having children is mandated, Christian faith is required, and civil rights are abolished, etc.
- 3 years ago
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PoisonTheMonkey
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RCS
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NinePounds6 made a point in a joking way above that still should receive some serious attention. Banning gay marriage is only the tip of the iceberg for the agenda of these people. Their ambitions go much further. They want to strip gay and lesbians of all their civil rights and repeal all the laws that protect them. These people even oppose any measure to combat school bullying--shows just how much they really care about children--as so many of the children bullied are either gay or perceived as being gay. Many of them have publicly stated that they want to see homosexuality made a criminal offence--not sure what they're going to do about the Supreme Court ruling on that one--and that they want it reclassified as a mental illness by doctors. So, their plans for gays and lesbians are just beginning, sort of like the Nazis for Jews in early 1930's Germany.
They are not only going after homosexuals. A large part of their programme is to totally take away the right of choice for women. If these people have their way, all terminations of pregnancies, even in cases of rape, incest and threat to the life of the mother, will be banned. All women, and men, should think about that one.
Internationally they want to eliminate all assistance for family planning to poor people in the Third World, so that these people will not be able to control the size of their families and when they get pregnant. Nor will they have the means to protect themselves from HIV-infection.
In this country, they want to ban sex education and have only abstinence education, despite a major US government study showing that abstinence education does not work. I guess that they think that it was such a terrific success for their poster girl Sarah Palin's daughter and her High School drop-out, hocky-playing boyfriend that every student should enjoy its benefits. - 3 years ago
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RCS
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PoisonTheMonkey
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Ah, but that's the sort of dishonestly, nastiness and double standards I've come to expect from the Prop H8 crowd.
Hopefully this gets on the front page, I would like people to read and think about it.
- 3 years ago
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PoisonTheMonkey
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barbwire800
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Nessie00, Her name is PoisonTheMonkey not MonkeyPig. With this name calling, I would call you the one that is nasty and hateful.
- 3 years ago
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barbwire800
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PoisonTheMonkey
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More insanity!
A pm from Nessie who was too cowardly to post this garbage here:
"THERE ARE NO RIGHTS IN THE CONSTITUTION FOR HOMOS AND HENCE IT SHOULD STAY THAT WAY. VOTE YES, YES, YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
- 3 years ago
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PoisonTheMonkey
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ninepounds6
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Poison... the real problem here is that people like this can and do vote. Perhaps these are some of these precious small town values we keep hearing so much about!
- 3 years ago
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ninepounds6
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PoisonTheMonkey
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ninepounds6:
They shouldn't be allowed to vote on it in the first place. It's a violation of personal rights and there's no right for them to violate that.
that's like making atheism illegal because the majority is Christian.
- 3 years ago
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PoisonTheMonkey
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PoisonTheMonkey
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Just thought I'd share how out there some of this people like Soleil10 who oppose same-sex marriage are. Straight from the mouth of Soleil10 herself after being asked if she would make it illegal to have children single. She tried to weasel out of it for about 5 PMs then finally showed her true colors and how opposed to freedom she really was. And somewhere she made up the idea that single parents want to be considered married. What?
Read:
"Unmarried single mother or father finding some throw away father or mother to get children and raise them alone is immoral, selfish, unconscionable and should be stopped. It should be illegal yes especially if they want to get the approval of society by asking for special rights and call it marriage. It is as shamefull at what sms people do to steal marriage."
- 3 years ago
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PoisonTheMonkey
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nessie00
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THIS IS NOT A MATTER OF HATE. IT HAS TO DO WITH ONE'S MORALS AND PERSONAL FEELINGS. SO MONKEY PIG, GET OFF YOUR SOAPBOX AND TRY TO BE MORE TOLERANT NOT NASTY AND HATE FILLED.
- 3 years ago
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nessie00
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barbwire800
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nessie00:
So, are for or against prop8?
- 3 years ago
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barbwire800
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PoisonTheMonkey
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nessie00:
For Prop H8 obviously. It's funny how he's SHOUTING that you should be less nasty and hatefilled, and then supporting taking away peoples rights. Ironic, no?
- 3 years ago
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PoisonTheMonkey
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PoisonTheMonkey
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nessie00:
Oh and then he calls me a pig and tells me to stop being so nasty and hateful. Lol. :D
- 3 years ago
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PoisonTheMonkey
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RCS
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nessie00:
Well, Monkey, it looks like you rattled the cages in the lunatic asylum, and the inmates are calling you names now.
- 3 years ago
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RCS
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PoliticalGeek
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nessie00:
You call her a pig and then accuse HER of being hate filled?
I have no problem with you living by your morals. You don't have to marry a gay person. Just don't stop them from acquiring the same rights you have.
- 3 years ago
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PoliticalGeek
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readytolive
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its funny that in the United States, we claim to be the home freedom and equality, but when an issue such as gay rights is brought onto the table there is all of a sudden a disagreement..way to go America, freedom and equality for for everyone, right?
im stoked that this upcoming election will be the first i can be a part of, im voting NO on prop h8 - 3 years ago
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readytolive
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ninepounds6
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Excellent post, one of the best I ever read. Good job!
I will repeat that anyone against it is fighting their own homosexual feelings, there is no other reason to fight this. Why should YOU care what these people do?
It isnt natural you say? Neither are vibrators. Or sex up against the wall, or using rope... where do these bozos draw the line? If we go by their standards, missionary will be all that is left, and I am sure there will be restrictions on it sooner or later...
- 3 years ago
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ninepounds6
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RCS
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ninepounds6:
Your post made me chuckle. It, also, made some good points.
- 3 years ago
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RCS
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serefeye
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ninepounds6:
You are only talking about other kinds of perverted sex at the end of the day...but hey if thats what you like..contribute to PMs book..it may become a big seller.
- 3 years ago
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serefeye
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PoisonTheMonkey
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ninepounds6:
I wasn't aware that anything besides the missionary position was "perverted". Is masturbation illegal now?
And what business is it of yours, anyway, what others do to themselves and other consenting adults?
- 3 years ago
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PoisonTheMonkey
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PoliticalGeek
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ninepounds6:
I'm very pro-equal marriage rights, but I have to agree with stevens44. Not everyone against this measure is fighting their own homosexual feelings. We have to be reasonable if we intend to fight Prop 8.
- 3 years ago
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PoliticalGeek
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PoisonTheMonkey
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McWally:
And yet, homosexuality and homosexual sex is not illegal. Marriage makes no reference to sex, neither does it approve sex between the two (you can still be raped by a spouse, and recently one man was almost convincted of it). So why is it marriage that you have a problem with? And further, why are you so concerned with what others do in bed? And FURTHER, why is it that straights who have anal sex (and they do!) may marry yet gays may not? Explain yourself.
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PoisonTheMonkey
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serefeye
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PoisonTheMonkey:
As stated before No problem with the Marriage under civil law..and if you read right..then it was said that the same sex sexual act was a perversion..and yes this applies to anyone practising it married or not.
The point you missed is that by your own words you condone this perversion and what to take it further to legalise it...
As an Anal ogy..look at the way some of the press and daily show person Anal itys get away with gradually wearing down the Standards and Values that most people have...
And you are the people that pay for this toilet humour..By subscribing to perversions you will become the Author of your own Novel in life..
Hope this clears it for you..as for the rest its your choice... - 3 years ago
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serefeye
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PoisonTheMonkey
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PoisonTheMonkey:
Perversions?
Straight people have been having anal, oral, and even fucking foot sex for hundreds of years.
The only difference is now people are more open about it and we have the itnernet and you can see it online.
- 3 years ago
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PoisonTheMonkey
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MeganMcKenzie
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Decency and equality is what our nation is founded on. The hate of folks different than the mainstream needs to stop. The ugliness harms everyones soul.
I say NO on Prop 8
- 3 years ago
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MeganMcKenzie
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barbwire800
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MeganMcKenzie:
Megan,Very well said.
- 3 years ago
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barbwire800
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barbwire800
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PoisonThe Monkey, You worded that very well, but still some will still bring religion into it. I agree with everything you said. Thanks for sticking up for same sex marriage.
- 3 years ago
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barbwire800
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mcwally
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Not a problem with two same sex getting married..within the civil law that allows homosexuality to be a human right..Sure I love my fellow humans my brothers and sisters my family..but to say that the act of a Man putting his Penis into someone elses Anus..I have to draw the line on this perversion..the human gender has gone down hill for many years to almost an Animal(sorry to all animals)response without any Principles or Standards about what others think.If gays are not already happy with being recognised as human..why take it further..to diminish recognised laws for straights.Have a wedding or whatever but it will never make any difference to the fact that they are gays.so I am afraid its a big No from this person...ps.Have a great life though'
- 3 years ago
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mcwally
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ryanscott2
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mcwally:
Just because something is repulsive to you doesn't mean its unnatural. And doesn't mean its a perversion.
1500 animal species have been shown to engage in homosexual behavior. It's well documented and clearly natural. Some form long term homosexual bonds. Just because your bible, written by ancient people who had no science, says its wrong doesn't mean a damn thing. Just because you are turned off by it doesn't mean its Wrong.
- 3 years ago
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ryanscott2
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RCS
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PoisonTheMonkey, Excellent post with many good, solid facts in it. Yes, vote "No" on Proposition 8! Also, go to the Equality California website at www.eqca.org and donate now! Let's hope that there will be enough Californians with a sense of deceny to defeat this dreadful measure.
- 3 years ago
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RCS
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PoisonTheMonkey
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If you have any decency, vote NO on Prop H8. I am proud that the first year I cast my ballot will be in support of freedom.
- 3 years ago
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PoisonTheMonkey
