Student punished for spaghetti beliefs

"but is flying spagetti really sillier than a god with a elephants head and a human body or a savior thats less dense than water?" Bingo. That's the point of the FSM.

Then Atheist deserve the disrespect they get and you should not defend that idea any more.

"Then Atheist deserve the disrespect they get and you should not defend that idea any more."

why?

She asked why someone should be more worthy...defending only Atheism points out how she thinks they are more worthy.

"Then Atheist deserve the disrespect they get and you should not defend that idea any more."

That's insane. I said that everyone is equally deserving of respect, and asked why it would not be the case- you response doesn't make sense to me.

I do not just defend Atheist points of view. Most of the time I am not privy to people's religions when agreeing or disagreeing with them. As long as people stay respectful and reasonable they can think whatever they want; also, I do not have to be disagreeable to disagree, and usually I am not. You and others tell me how hateful and closed minded I am, but I beg for examples of this all the time- can I have some please?

Also, how is this "anti-god" when they are clearly recommending a compromise? That seems very pro-god to me. --- Taken from: http://current.com/items/89586257/atheist_students_rally_to_change_graduation_ce...

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Problem....you can't know what is God when you don't believe in one. It's insulting to tell people what God is when you can't even fathom his existence. Meaning you're trying to know everything instead of showing that you don't know but assume that's what he would like based on what you hope he actually (if existed) is.
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I compared it to many things, and there are many more I could compare it to. My point of COURSE was not that this is the same as slavery, c'mon! It was that traditional things aren't always right, and that we should be open to change.

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Taken from the same link as the above.

You can't seem to understand that change isn't necessarily good and instead of realizing and acknowledging that you insist that change towards what you like is for the better. Or you would point out other kinds of change that would be for those you don't agree with but for their betterment. But that's not the case. It's your idea that better is in your direction. If not you surely need to learn to clarify better.

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"fundamentally don't agree with but i'm not going around petitioning to change them." Why not?

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From same as above....

again pointing to how you need things to change for the better in your way not in a way that is actually better.

It's obnoxious to think that your way is the only way to dictate change. It's just like Obama. He's all for change as long as it led to him being President.

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The agenda in this case was to make sure the school is properly representing all of it's students. How is that foolish?

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From the same as the above link.

This is insulting because you assume that all students want what you want as you dictate what is the better change.

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I'm sure some did- I can't imagine many atheists voting for McCain/Palin considering their extreme religious views.

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From same link.

Again being insulting for the pure sake of being so...nothing factual in that statement other than your distaste in people, and that's sad.

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I don't understand why people think this is "demeaning" to their god or religion. If you believe in god, why not take a tip from how people deal with evolution and just claim "that's how god works"? Does exploring neuroscience really mean the end of god? From what I've seen, people will defend the existence of their god no matter what- why should this upset anyone?

This is from:
http://current.com/items/89584110/this_is_your_brain_on_god/25.htm

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If you were understanding of how Religious people are then you'd have empathy for why they'd be offended. Instead you just rather be insulting by belittling their need to show dislike for something.

You should understand this since you find it offensive if someone tells you you're going to hell.

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Jammer, are you threatening people with your asinine arguments? My own medicine is the only kind I take; bring it on any day. Your arguments practically prove themselves wrong.

http://current.com/items/89582256/kentucky_homeland_security_officially_dependen...

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It's not insulting to me or when I would have replied I would have made you madder.

It's just insulting in general....showing that you're not sugar and spice and defiantly not nice.

I don't think you're hateful or mean. I just think you think that you handle yourself better than others and pride yourself on that. I'm stating you have a lot to improve on if you want to be better than Christians based on your reactions and calmness.

You can be as snide as you want with me, not only can I take it....but I will give it right back.

Most of the quotes you took are questions, and none of them use insulting or offensive language (except for the one calling you out personally, which was a response to something you had said.)

Of course some of the things I say will be insulting to some people, but I don't go out of my way to do it. Religion is the type of subject that will always offend some people- but I don't offend them personally, I ask them to explain their view points so I can better understand. You seem to think that when I ask people questions, I'm being obnoxious, which I don't understand.

I do "handle myself better" than many others on this site. There are a dozen or so atheists who will bash religion to the ground and I am not one of them. There are more than enough religious people who scream that people's lifestyles are wrong and sinful, but I am not one of them. There are people who argue just for the sake of argument and play devil's advocate constantly, but I am not one of them. I'm sorry that you can not see that.

I'm sorry you can't see that comparing yourself to others doesn't mean you are good.

I can compare myself to a serial killer and show how I don't do those things...doesn't make me good.

Then there are the post you make telling certain people how they send you messages. If you are so much better than others you wouldn't need to call people out like that so that they can look bad and you look reasonable for giving them (what you think) is kindness on your part.

If you don't like being told how you act isn't kind....then maybe you shouldn't be telling others that you think they are rude.

It's not that I don't "like" it, you just do a piss poor job of proving your points. In fact, I'm confused by the point you were trying to make in that reply. YOU were the one that said something about "handling yourself better than others", I didn't pull that out of my ass to make me "look good" or whatever.

I'm more than happy to be called out myself, because it helps me develop the way I talk and deal with people.

edit: I think it's stupid to continue to take up so much space arguing. Post something new or relevant if you want to have this discussion, or email me, or whatever, because I'm sick of throwing subjects way off track because of bullshit.

Rainbow- I'm NOT a powerpuff girl? Damn it!

You're bossy.

agree in principle with the separation of church and state. i don't think this is the issue. this is about personal expression of religion by a student, not by the school district or the school board or a teacher. the school district, would have a lawsuit on their hands if they suspended a muslim woman from wearing a hijab to school... its not the role of the school district or the purpose of the separation of church and state to strip a person of an expression of their religious identity.

Proof that they wouldn't have.....

Because they rather hate than appreciate.

agree in principle with the separation of church and state. i don't think this is the issue. this is about personal expression of religion by a student, not by the school district or the school board or a teacher. the school district (i would hope) would have a lawsuit on their hands if they suspended a muslim woman from wearing a hijab to school... its not the role of the school district or the purpose of the separation of church and state to strip a person of an expression of their religious identity.

I also live in NC and there is not set uniform in place in area schools

Really? hmm, I thought it was state wide.

OK then, it seems the school really has no excuses then for their decision.

It's mocking and it's not serious. I'm going to make a religion where I can slaughter Online people with butter knives and jelly.

Care to be my first sacrifice to the Internet God Bumbledumble?

It will be painful and harmful and I will wear your blood like water after jumping in a pool....

it's a new religion....you better not become bias in all that wisdom of yours and accept your fate.

And? what does that prove? That you can copy and paste?

the analogy doesn't work.

in your religion you want stab people with butter knives just like the bible condones stoning. in most countries, you're not allowed to do either

and no one would be willing to sacrifice their life because another person's religion says they have to. that's like me flying to iran to open up a dyke bar. it makes no sense, just like your example

Just like the spaghetti monster makes no sense as anything but mockery.

How the hell is what he, or you do, critical thinking?

It's just critical...which means cynical which also means rude...which also means lack of thinking.

The point may be delivered in a sarcastic manner, true, but the point is still perfectly valid.

There is absolutely no difference between wearing prairie dress from the 19th century (as per religious command) and wearing swashbuckling pantaloons from the 18th century (as per religious command).

The only difference is the century.

If we are going to respect one religion then we must respect all.

And what this kid has done (albeit inadvertently) is start a national conversation about how religion.

Why is it "ridiculous" to dress as a pirate but perfectly serious to dress like a 19th century frontierswoman while walking around Wal-mart?

Dressing like a pirate while sitting in high school Algebra is "stupid" but we can turn right around and say that dressing like a prairie woman from 1890 and running around a grocery store is perfectly legitimate?

Really?

You know why it's not ok?

Because it's like stating Klingon is a real language spoken by real people that are actually from the planet Klingon.

Star Trek, as you know, is a TV show (was/is) that had aliens by the name of Klingons. For the movie they decided to actually make a language. It became so popular that it spawned a dictionary, books, stories...whatever.

But no matter how much it spawns, how many people read it, how many people invest their time in making it real....it.isn't.real.

So no matter how many sarcastic barbs, retarded reasoning, disrespectful tone and words and mocking....it will not make what this small minded boy created...real.

Therefore it's not a religion.

It's beyond disrespectful and it's sad that people cannot allow others to believe what they want without mocking them for doing so.

It shows how hollow one's heart really is.

So no matter how many sarcastic barbs, retarded reasoning, disrespectful tone and words and mocking....it will not make what this small minded boy created...real.

Therefore it's not a religion.

It's beyond disrespectful and it's sad that people cannot allow others to believe what they want without mocking them for doing so.

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Maybe I'm wrong, but didn't you just contradict yourself?

Nope.

I'm not a religion nor am I mocking anyone.

I'm pointing out the mocker for playing a helpless victim when he is far from it.

"So no matter how many sarcastic barbs, retarded reasoning, disrespectful tone and words and mocking....it will not make what this small minded boy created...real."

replace small minded boy with small minded joseph smith or small minded jesus how is it any different

Wrong question.

You mean to make that a statement. It's not a thought provoking question. It's just a provoking one....meaning it serves no purpose but to piss those who believe off.

"Delusion: Belief said to be false by someone who does not share it."- Thomas S Szasz

You hinted at that as something you'd want to say "Delusional"....so I'm going to share that with you.

Now that's thought provoking.

"It's beyond disrespectful and it's sad that people cannot allow others to believe what they want without mocking them for doing so."

When you point out that:
"... no matter how many sarcastic barbs, retarded reasoning, disrespectful tone and words and mocking....it will not make what this small minded boy created...real."

You are being completely disrespectful to that "small minded boy" and all of the people who choose to involve themselves with this process. It is disrespectful and sad that you can't let these folks believe what they want - ESPECIALLY people who want to speak Klingon (guess what - it IS a language, and real people do speak that language. Its origins may be from fiction, but that does not change the fact that the language itself exists. Same with Elvish.) and get into that storyline.
J_Jammer, I hate to burst your bubble, but ITS ALL FAKE. Religions, ideologies, its all bunko.
Showing disrespect to these people just because you don't believe in their tales is just as bad as thumbing your nose at someone for their beliefs in "established" religions - its none of your goddamned business what these people believe, nor how they choose to celebrate it.

You haven't answered a very important question here, either - what exactly makes a religion "real"? You give me any, ANY religious foundation and I will tear it down withing three sentences, I promise.

"Wrong question.

You mean to make that a statement. It's not a thought provoking question. It's just a provoking one....meaning it serves no purpose but to piss those who believe off."

seriously, i'm not trying to piss anyone off. it's just a question. just answer it! it's not a jedi mind trick. is there a difference? yes or no?

"You hinted at that as something you'd want to say "

now that's a jedi mind trick. you know what i wanted to say? how "all knowing" of you

"Now that's thought provoking."

Don't try to make someone who mocks other people the victim by stating I'm doing the same thing when I'm not. I didn't call his idea stupid. I called it not a religion and fake. And that it mocks ideas of other people.

And there you have it...it cannot be a religion if it mocks other people's faith and the followers have to follow the ideology in order for it to be 'real'.

He would have to wear that pirate costume all the time for him to be actual.

And I just pointed out the difference.

Two birds, one post.

"it mocks other people's faith"

you could say the same thing about islam compared to judaism

"the followers have to follow the ideology in order for it to be 'real'."

they do, just as he does

"He would have to wear that pirate costume all the time for him to be actual."

in pastafarianism you only have to wear pirate clothing if you intend on preaching the good word

He wasn't preaching in school.

Yeah, like my school!
Our school mascot are pirates!

I am a folower of the all mighty spaghetti monster.

but dont worry, it´s not a real religion!!!! go visit the website www.venganza.org and you will understand. it´s a critic to religion!

Like most things that are critical....it's a waste of time.

How many? I don't know. How many christians are there?

most things that are critical are a waste of time? does it even occur to you how much you criticize articles? need i say more?

"Like most things that are critical....it's a waste of time"

now would your criticism of the Flying Spagetti Monster and His follower's beliefs be likewise a waste of time? or do you feel you have divine insight on matters of criticism?

imagine a world free of criticism? yikes

No. Because I'm just pointing out a major flaw in what people think is clever.

No to both.

how do you prove it is a religion?

How do you prove any other religion?

It has followers. It has a "holy book". What more do we really need to establish it as a religion? I mean, if Scientology can be a recognized religion, anything can, yes?
If it was just one guy who wanted to wear a pirate outfit for the hell of it, and then made up some story about a religion, off the cuff, so to speak, then that would be wrong. This guy has more than a couple of people backing him up.

are you implying that mainstream religions such as Christianity and Judaism are "proven?"
what??

Not everything is art.
not everything is funny.
Not everything can be a religion.
Not everyone is worthy of life.

you don't prove any religion .. you simply decide to believe in it.

who are you to say what is "art" what is "funny" what is "religion" and what is "life"?
everyone has different experiences and different definitions of reality

"Not everything is art.
not everything is funny.
Not everything can be a religion.
Not everyone is worthy of life."

I totally disagree with every single statement! Please advise us how we should know that something is "art" and who is "worthy of life", won't you?

Please tell me how if everything is then how do you appreciate differences?

because there is good art and bad art. happiness and sad. life and death. good religions and bad ones. pretty logical. you appreciate differences because....there are differences. you wouldn't be able to appreciate happiness without sadness, life without death.

you say it isn't when it surely is even if the degree of quality differs.

There are a lot of "bad quality" religions that are not noticed.

That's why his isn't noticed. That and he's faking.

Because everyone is different, so everyone appreciates different art, different humor, different qualities in people, etc. If there was strict rules for what "art" is or what's "funny", people would inevitably rebel against it anyway (which I am thankful for!) As far as being "worthy" of life, I certainly am in no position to determine who is deserving or not!

There are standards for clean water.

Why would there not be such for other things?

The FSM "religion" is a spoof on religions in general. If you go to FSM's website http://www.venganza.org/
you'll see that his claim that FSM is a religion is as valid as any other religion. Obviously the point he's trying to make is that ALL religion was started in pretty much the same way i.e. by people making stuff up and then getting followers to diefy it.

There are "standards". But art is not water, it is much more abstract, as humor is. Art and humor are not things, they are concepts. As far as life goes, there are "standards" for that as well, but they change based on time period and culture.

Klingon is a language from Star Trek. It has it's own dictionary, folklore, books......but it's still fake.

Christianity is a collossal game of "operator", based on what people talked about over two thousand years ago. It has buildings named after it, people have died for it... but its still fake.