Politics | December 19, 2008 | 51 comments

US supports criminalizing homosexuality

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The US refused to sign a UN charter condemning the criminalization of homosexuality in several countries around the world. The US was the only western nation to refuse. Instead they stood with Muslim extremist nations whose laws are so strict that they kill convicted gays and lesbians.

66 nations supported the nonbinding resolution. The US tried to excuse their behavior by claiming, "some parts of the declaration might be problematic in committing the federal government on matters that fall under state jurisdiction. In numerous states, landlords and private employers are allowed to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation; on the federal level, gays are not allowed to serve openly in the military."

Gay rights supporters were angered by the decision. "Also denouncing the U.S. stance was Richard Grenell, who until two months ago had been the chief spokesman for the U.S. mission to the U.N.

"It is ridiculous to suggest that there are legal reasons why we can't support this resolution - common sense says we should be the leader in making sure other governments are granting more freedoms for their people, not less," said Grenell, who described himself as a gay Republican. "The U.S. lack of support on this issue only dims our once bright beacon of hope and freedom for those who are persecuted and oppressed."
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  • jawasdi
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      jawasdi  
    • So now whole nations are extremist? Referring to "Muslim extremist nations".

      Yes, the treatment of homosexuality is pretty bad in mulsim countries, and we won't / must never be silent. They lack are far behind in general when it comes to many liberties..

      ..But this language smacks of muslim-bashing, which is not something to be proud of either. Such language is 'extremist' itself.

      Do you watch Lebanese TV? Do you know my straight Palestinian friends' views on gays? Have you signed on to Manjam lately??

    • 3 years ago
  • trth2pwr
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      trth2pwr  
    • If my relationship of 16 years is a crime in this country then good, there are too many evil people posing as goody-two-shoes. Any and all arguments against homosexuality are covers for these closeted in-denial, wanna-bees. When love is between two consenting adults, no matter what sex the two individuals are, it is not a deviant act but rather a choice of who to love not what to love. Does a man who loves a woman because she has great taste in clothes make him a closeted drag queen? No, just means she has a characteristic he finds appealling. This is the same way gay people find love, not just because the same sex, but because the other individual has many attributes that produce and emotional and biological reaction in someone. People who are homosexual are not by choice but by physical design, meaning our homosexual desires can be found in oue DNA. Does this mean we would want to be changed or supposely cured? The answer is simple and direct, our desires for sexual companionship, friendship, and affiliations are not considered by us as ailments but rather attributes! What makes me who and what I am is not for any religious bigot, or narrow-minded individuals who fear their offsprings maybe able to become gay by witnessing these loving pairs. I want to make this very clear, I did not say pairs making love, thus it is not just a sexual thing that homosexuals do,nor is it a lifestyle choice, it is a life being lived in its fullness with just as many complexities and joys as any two heterosexuals have. The act of love between two consenting adults is the business of no government, no religion, no political agenda, no limited ideals, and especially no other heterosexual. Stay in your bed with your love and I do the same!

    • 3 years ago
  • wayseeker
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      wayseeker  
    • trth2pwr:

      I'm a straight (whatever that means) older male so I can't know how it truly feels to be you but I hope you can take a little comfort in the fact that over the past 50 yrs. a large part of liberal society has quit judging you and is now accepting you for who you are which is a person, who like the rest of us, is just trying to live your life as best you can. The fundamentalist and the up tight conservatives think everyone who is not like them shouldn't be allowed to exist. Maybe someday we'll live in a world where it wont be necessary for you to write a response in defense of yourself. Take heart for there are people such as myself who are willing to speak out for you to the judgemental and ignorant.

    • 3 years ago
  • wayseeker
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      wayseeker  
    • With all the problems the world is having the United Nations is concernig themselfs with gays? And the United States is telling them they don't like gays? My God!

    • 3 years ago
  • chowmein2012
  • foebea
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      foebea  
    • chowmein2012:

      Exactly! And it's the same reason we didn't sign Kyoto. Also it's why we still use the death penalty.. .and spread democracy throughout the world at gunpoint.... and um.. hrmm... Well, that is to say... Right on! U-S-A! U-S-A!

      Maybe we need a good 50 or 60 years in timeout to think about our behavior, and just /wait/ until your father gets home!

    • 3 years ago
  • dabne
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      dabne  
    • The United States became the United States because it didn't like the governments that existed in the world. Why should we expect the US to get in line?

    • 3 years ago
  • VitaminStolz
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      VitaminStolz  
    • When will this cultural hatred and fear of Gays & Lesbians cease? The U.N. is taking huge steps to stop something terrible and the USA just says," Meh, not our problem, thats for the individual states to decide."
      Pathetic.

    • 3 years ago
  • troglodyte
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      troglodyte  
    • fewer fundamentalists- from both sides of the battle ground- please. it does however beg the question: what about the monstrously degenerate vermin who facilitate, host & attend conversion parties w/ the sole intent of fleecing hard working tax payers to subsidise their party- flavor of the month- consequences be damned "lifestyle" by intentionally infecting others w/ HIV to get on the dole? if one was briefly honest & just a tiny bit moral, wouldn't it make sense for the glbt powers that be ("jann wenner & david geffen c'mon down!") to bitch slap the truly, deeply evil queer nation jihadis out of their bizzarely psychotic & insanely pathological behavior? hey this internet bloggin' stuff is kinda neat. see ya in hell!

    • 3 years ago
  • let_the_rain_fall
  • orionblastar
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      orionblastar  
    • The way this works, they will rewrite the law and then six months later put it up for another vote.

      But don't think that just Bush voted against it, Congress has to vote on it as well, and Congress is mostly made up of liberal Democrats (60%) who don't want to upset their supporters back in their states. Only a few states give state wide civil rights to Homosexuals, like California, Massachusetts, etc.

      Just remember that on the federal level both the President and Congress have to vote on something to approve it as a law or bill. It is not a one person show where only the President decides.

      By the way Congress's approval rating is almost as low if not lower than Bush's approval rating. After this, I am guessing it will be lower. You'll get rid of Bush in 30 days, but Obama is going to have to face the same Congress and they don't already like him because he chose Rick Warren in his cabinet.

    • 3 years ago
  • darkhorsejim
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      darkhorsejim  
    • Yeah - and then people who wear glasses or have brown hair & witches, we can't forget about witches - the possibilities are endless. What fucking century is this anyway & who's running things - into the ground?

    • 3 years ago
  • kewal91
  • nessie00
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      nessie00  
    • You can't defend Muslims and them condemn the USA. We are walking on ice with the Muslim Nations right now. Muslims hate gays more than any religion and the USA is full of Muslims wanting their rights and would probably fight us tooth and nail if we support this at this time. It is a very fine line to cross. Those of you who are totally accepting of any faith are now facing what that really means.

    • 3 years ago
  • darkhorsejim
  • gregf
  • sgwhites
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      sgwhites  
    • Sigh. Between this and the Rick Warren decision, what an unhappy holiday season for LGBT folks. Because nothing says Happy Holidays like knowing your government doesn't give a damn about your civil rights!

    • 3 years ago
  • kennymotown
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      kennymotown  
    • I can not believe that people have this much bigotry in their hearts. Rush Lintbaugh who says we must defend
      the integrity of marriage, what a joke that asshole has been married 3 times. I think when Rick Warren delivers his invocation at the inauguration it will symbolize were we have been and then the real god fairing people will speak and the world will see we are going in the right direction. Out with the hypocrites and in with the adults. All hypocrites then can get in line with their fellow hypocrites and get your spanking.

    • 3 years ago
  • Commentor
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      Commentor  
    • These sweeping resolutions often have some good thing that can be hiding many bad things.

      I haven't read the text of the resolution so I;m not sure.

      the "UN delectation of human rights" has some flaws I have read about.

      For example
      -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Article 29

      1. Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.
      2. In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.
      3. These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
      ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      section 2 above I can not support the phrase " everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society."

      I don't think that "Rights" should be limited by "public order" I believe in the right to protest unjust laws.

      "just requirements of morality" -- based on what or whose morality? Muslim morality where woman are required to be covered completely at all times -- where adultery is punishable by stoning? The morality of Charles Manson?
      Laws that do not spell out things and are nebulous then they are subject to random interpretation and poor if not destructive.

    • 3 years ago
  • Teresa_likes_voting
  • crob80227
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      crob80227  
    • What if we changed one word in the opening sentence:

      "The US refused to sign a UN charter condemning the criminalization of Christanity...."

      Do we still think Bush & his administration would be refusing to sign it?

      Nope.

      So we can safely say that, yes, this is all about homosexuality and not about any concerns about honoring local laws.

    • 3 years ago
  • RCS
  • uroborus8
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      uroborus8  
    • If the US opposes criminalizing homosexuality, then why wouldn't they vote for the measure? For those of you who are offended by the title, please answer my question.

    • 3 years ago
  • ChrisWT
  • dabne
  • derk
  • div
  • cantucwearebrothers
  • RCS
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      RCS  
    • It is doubtful that this policy will stay in effect after 20 January 2009, so it is not really that important. It will likely change. It is very bizarre that the United States would support criminalizing homosexuality around the world when the United States Supreme Court has ruled that homosexuality cannot be criminalized in the US between consenting adults under any circumstances.

      One would have to break some other law, by doing something along the lines of having sex on top of your car in a crowded parking lot at the grocery store, in order for it to be illegal. However, by Supreme Court ruling, homosexual acts, in and of themselves, cannot be prosecuted. That is the way that it should be everywhere in the world.

      The new Obama adminstration should definitely sign this resolution.

    • 3 years ago
  • aswift1
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      aswift1  
    • The headline on this story is really misleading. Just because the United States does not want to tell other countries what to do (for once) does not mean they "support criminalizing homosexuality." I think this article is missing key facts to support such a claim...

    • 3 years ago
  • damnneargenius
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      damnneargenius  
    • The way that article is worded seems a bit off.

      Whomever wrote it loses points for obvious bias and spin.

      Because someone doesn't vote for something in its entirety doesn't mean they are against it completely.

      AND considering how rampant homosexuality is in America, it is obviously not seen or treated as criminal, so the title of this article is FALSE and looks a bit drama queenish in its intent.

      IMHO

    • 3 years ago
  • leb0wski
  • uroborus8
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      uroborus8  
    • damnneargenius:

      I wrote the title because it clearly represents the impression left when the government does not include gay rights in it's foreign policy.

      This was the perfect opportunity for the United States to oppose policies that in some cases lead to the death penalty for gays and lesbians.

      It was illegal to be gay in the United States until 2003. The wounds are still fresh.

    • 3 years ago
  • curiositykills68
  • vixen0078
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      vixen0078  
    • This amazes me. January 20th cannot get here quick enough.

      BTW, did you know that you cannot donate blood if you are a gay man?

      All this prejudice is ridiculous!

    • 3 years ago
  • aswift1
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      aswift1  
    • vixen0078:

      What state do you live in? I have never heard of such a law... and how does the clinic know who is gay and who isn't? It is not legal to require such information from someone and it is not legal to discriminate. I think you have been misinformed.

    • 3 years ago
  • chilipeppers675
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      chilipeppers675  
    • vixen0078:

      no she's right. When you give blood they ask if you have ever had homosexual intercourse. If you say yes they dismiss you. Their reasoning is that homosexual men are more likely to contract HIV/AIDS so it's just easier for them to just dismiss them all.
      But yeah, it's clear and unabashed discrimination.

    • 3 years ago
  • vixen0078
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      vixen0078  
    • vixen0078:

      No misinformation here. I donated blood last week and read the words myself. I asked the girl who was doing the "interview" and she told me what chilipeppers said. If you are male and have had "sexual contact of any type" with another male or if you are a woman who has had intercourse with a male who has had "sexual contact of any type with another male" then you are excluded.

      I live in Georgia, by the way. But I think the above stated standard is nationwide.

      Sad but true.

    • 3 years ago
  • atainder
  • mojojuju
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      mojojuju  
    • Does anybody have a link to the full text of this resolution. Maybe it would be good to read it before making any judgement.

    • 3 years ago
  • pjacobs51
  • foebea
  • Ares
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      Ares  
    • You people are unbelievable. Do you think when Obama takes office he's going to make everything perfect? Sunshine all day everyday?

      It's a nonbinding resolution, which means it doesn't have any authority, any power at all. Interesting that the article claims that the United States "tried to excuse their behavior..." as if it needs excusing. If it conflicts with states' rights, the federal government will not endorse it.

    • 3 years ago
  • alicynx
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      alicynx  
    • Ares:

      If its a nonbinding resolution, it wont effect anything. Isn't that the logic? How will it interfere with state, or even federal, laws if its a nonbinding resolution that wont effect anything??
      The Federal Government of the United States of America is beholden to its people, no, the _world_, to uphold it core tenets of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Standing up to the idea of making homosexuality illegal (that's what criminalization does, after all) should have been a no-brainer for this country's leaders! Its not condoning the concept by any means, but its also saying that someone cannot be jailed for loving someone of the same gender. What on Earth is wrong with that?

      Oh, and I call bullshit on the Fed not interferring with the power of the States. Two words - Medical Marijuana.

    • 3 years ago
  • callenstewart
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      callenstewart  
    • Ares:

      If it's "non binding" then why not agree with it just as a show of support for a large population of American citizens?

      No, I don't believe the world will be perfect when we wake up on January 21, but it's got to be a helluva lot better than it has been for the past 8 years.

    • 3 years ago
  • Ares
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      Ares  
    • Ares:

      Alicynx - The logic is called linear logic. If I was speaking to you, it would sound like "It's a nonbinding resolution, and even if it wasn't the feds wouldn't pass it because it conflicts with states' rights." Hope that helps.

      CallenStewart - No, it isn't going to be any different. Guess what? Obama can't single handily bring the troops back! Obama can't change taxes! Oh and one more thing, Obama can't pay your mortgage!

      The president will not change our economic or social challenges. People who think things will change because of Obama are living in an illusion. Americans need to realize that it is their responsibility to initiate societal change, not the President's.

    • 3 years ago
  • unimatrix0
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      unimatrix0  
    • Yet another example of open hatred expressed by social conservatives, the religious right, and the Bush administration. Another mark of shame.

    • 3 years ago
  • Egnatius212
  • justaslost
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