Politics | January 24, 2009 | 78 comments

Asking abortion protesters a serious question...

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Nephwrack
this is pretty amazing stuff. i was prepared for some kind of moral debate but... wow. i know it's not an article or anything but well, just watch the video.
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78 comments // Asking abortion protesters a serious question...

  • FallenMorgan
  • 2helenahandbasket
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      2helenahandbasket  
    • Nephwrack, comparing abortion to war is opening up the whole apples/oranges thing. I think most folks don't want ANYONE to die, whether it be by war or abortion.

      War and abortion are very different. Abortion is the doing away with those of us who are most innocent, someone who depends on us for every aspect of his survival. They have no say in their own life and are completely at our mercy.

      Soldiers are thinking human beings, people who make the personal choice to join the military. No one forces them to do it and they know the possibile concequences of joining. It is a choice they make for their own lives. They may join out of patriotism, or because of money for college, or for career opportunities. Whatever the reasons, they choose their own path, not through coersion but because they want to.

      Comparing abortion to war is to speak of two entirely different problems.........

    • 3 years ago
  • FallenMorgan
  • Nephwrack
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      Nephwrack  
    • 2helenahandbasket:

      ah but you see, it's not entirely different. not everyone who dies in war is a soldier, there are plenty of innocents killed, including children. i could even go so far as to say that not all armies are volunteer, as many of them arent. where are these wars you speak of fought, the ones with no innocent bystanders?

    • 3 years ago
  • Nephwrack
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      Nephwrack  
    • if any religious types can give me a solid, logical arguement that war is any different than abortion i'll give up my position on a woman's right to choose. keep in mind i dont believe in abortion as a method of birth control.

      the best part about believe is the LIE.

      i doubt Jesus would vote republican.

    • 3 years ago
  • Nephwrack
  • Nephwrack
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      Nephwrack  
    • a 7.62 bullet will do the exact same job as that same hose but much faster. so will an electric chair or a potassium chloride injection. but i'll bet that war or the death penalty dosent bother you right wingers as much as abortion. only difference is it's a full grown adult at least in the case of the death penalty, i cant gaurantee an adult in war... sometimes women and kids get taken out by bombs... with a whole life worth of memories and experiences. if any of you right wing nutjobs ( oh yes i did) can tell me about your pre birth experiences then i'll shut up. if anyone can tell me or prove to me how being shot to pieces or blown up by shrapnel is any different than abortion ( no,saying you have to volunteer for war will not work, civillian casualties do not volunteer, nor do most third world armies) then i'll change my mind about a woman's right to choose. i'm not holding my breath though.

    • 3 years ago
  • sirach481
  • Nephwrack
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      Nephwrack  
    • precision guided bombs can hit a doorhandle but they still take out a city block. what makes getting blown up different than being aborted? conservatives have no qualms about blowing up people as long as they're "terrirists..." i could show you conservatives some really ugly pictures of what happens to entire full grown families when a us "smart bomb" hits a neighborhood. i gaurantee it's worse than scissors.

    • 3 years ago
  • FallenMorgan
  • Nephwrack
  • sirach481
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      sirach481  
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    • Personally I think this is a woman's issue.

      Reach in, pull the baby's head to the front, jab sharp scissors into it's head, twist them to make the hole bigger, then stick in a hose and suck out it's brain. That's liberal compassion

    • 3 years ago
  • Nephwrack
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      Nephwrack  
    • sirach481:

      raise your kid, let it believe that dying for its country is right because bushco says so, then cry when the kid gets its head shot off by a child soldier. same thing. dont preach about the horrors of abortion when the horrors of war are just as bad. i challenge any of you pro lifers to give me a worst case scenario involving abortion ( i know that word might be straining your vocabulary) that's worse than losing your adult child to a landmine, a bullet or worse, to a false cause like ridding iraq of weapons of mass destruction.

      that's conservative compassion. oh burn.i'll match wits anytime. dont make me spank you in public.

      it's like serge said... clearing the way for the oil brigade...

    • 3 years ago
  • 2helenahandbasket
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      2helenahandbasket  
    • sirach481:

      Nephwrack, comparing abortion to war is opening up the whole apples/oranges thing. I think most folks don't want ANYONE to die, whether it be by war or abortion.

      War and abortion are very different. Abortion is the doing away with those of us who are most innocent, someone who depends on us for every aspect of his survival. They have no say in their own life and are completely at our mercy.

      Soldiers are thinking human beings, people who make the personal choice to join the military. No one forces them to do it and they know the possibile concequences of joining. It is a choice they make for their own lives. They may join out of patriotism, or because of money for college, or for career opportunities. Whatever the reasons, they choose their own path, not through coersion but because they want to.

      Comparing abortion to war is to speak of two entirely different problems.........

    • 3 years ago
  • Jenkins
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      Jenkins  
    • I don't see why them not having a set punishment at the ready negates their opinion. I personally wouldn't know how to charge a teenager who robs a 7-11; but that doesn't make what the teenager does not wrong.

    • 3 years ago
  • Gargaryun
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      Gargaryun  
    • Great post !...I'm 100% pro-choice....But I'm 1000% PRO-Educate people how to NOT GET PREGNANT unless they're actually READY to raise a Child...
      If You asked these SAME interviewees if They were FOR or AGAINST "Planned Parenthood", I bet 99% of them would say AGAINST, even if the word "abortion" was never used...I'll go further than that, how many of them do You think speak out FOR "Sex Education"?...ie: TEACHING how to NOT GET PREGNANT!...probably fewer than 10%
      Here's another one for You...How many of these protestors ALREADY HAD their abortions?...& are so driven by their guilt, they feel an uncontrollable need to PROTECT others?!?(the answer to the last question is "A lot more than the ANTI-CHOICE movement will EVER admit to !" )

    • 3 years ago
  • justright
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      justright  
    • These people cant think past their gut emotions. If illegal they don't know how to deal with the legal ramifications, or the overpopulation consequences.

    • 3 years ago
  • NoGodsNoMasters
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      NoGodsNoMasters  
    • Great question. I'm just glad they didn't run into the pro-life extremists who would blurt out something like "Then they should go to prison for the rest of their lives." Believe me, I've head that shit before. By the way, where are all the pro-life protesters outside of prisons protesting capital punishment? Where were all the pro-lifers protesting the war? Why is it that these people are only pro-life until the people are born? Apparently state sponsored murder and war aren't an agenda for the so called pro-life movement.

    • 3 years ago
  • justright
  • Nephwrack
  • sirach481
  • Nephwrack
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      Nephwrack  
    • NoGodsNoMasters:

      precision guided bombs can hit a doorhandle but they still take out a city block. what makes getting blown up different than being aborted? conservatives have no qualms about blowing up people as long as they're "terrirists..." i could show you conservatives some really ugly pictures of what happens to entire full grown families when a us "smart bomb" hits a neighborhood. i gaurantee it's worse than scissors.

    • 3 years ago
  • Jacques_of_Spades
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      Jacques_of_Spades  
    • This is a tough question to spring on protesters, especially because it is hardly ever asked, and that's why most of the people asked are so unsure about their answers.
      Don't get me wrong - I am pro-choice 100%, but the question doesn't make too much sense.
      Making abortion illegal would probably be enforced by forbidding abortions to be performed, which means that abortion clinics and wherever else that does abortions would have to cease and desist. I doubt that they would prosecute those who got abortions anyways.

    • 3 years ago
  • Nephwrack
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      Nephwrack  
    • Jacques_of_Spades:

      not to sound like a d-bag but making abortion illegal would necessarily make the perpetrators of the act a crime. on both sides. just like dude asks? so what about murder? or lets put it in a lighter context, what about buying drugs. if you buy drugs and get caught , does that make you guilty of posession? yes of course, you sought out an illegal product. johnny law does NOT care what your "state of mind" is when you bought the drugs, he only cares that you broke the law. maybe if we get this issue out there more people will understand that making abortion a crime is stupid and totalitarian. religion has no place in law, or we go back to the dark ages or to the taliban-style religious police here in america. the purpose of seperation of church and state is not to keep the state out of religion, but to keep religion out of the state.

    • 3 years ago
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • Jacques_of_Spades:

      Jacques_of_Spades, abortion used to be illegal at one time and many women died from receiving illegal abortions. If clinics didn't perform them and do them safely, the result would be lots of women dying from illegal abortions done is clandestine backroom clinics.

    • 3 years ago
  • beck7422
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      beck7422  
    • I am a disabled woman who desparately wants children but would have to have an abortion if I ever got pregnant. A pregnancy would have a high chance of killing me. Any child I had would very likely have one of my three disabilities all of which are autosomal dominant. Two of the three disabilities could potentially cause death with birth of the child.

      Due to my disabilities, I am unable to take birth control and have allergic reactions to most types of condoms.

      Should I be punished if I choose my life over the high chance that the baby and myself wouldn't survive if I continued the pregnancy?

    • 3 years ago
  • randallr01
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • I thought it was quite significant that practically all the people interviewed want abortions to be illegal but have never thought about what the punishment for breaking the law should be. They are all caught up on the images of aborted fetuses and have not thought the whole thing through.

    • 3 years ago
  • iammyfathersson
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      iammyfathersson  
    • Maybe if this country wasn't so sexually repressed to the point that 0.00000000001 seconds of Janet Jackson's breast makes us cry we wouldn't have as high an unwanted pregnancy rate now would we. Can we please stop telling our children that their private parts are called pp's and weewees? Please?

    • 3 years ago
  • 2helenahandbasket
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      2helenahandbasket  
    • iammyfathersson:

      This country sexually repressed? LOL! This country is ALL about sex. It permeates our society. It oozes from every tv show and commercial, every magazine, every billboard, every song on the radio. "Hooking up" is the be-all-end-all of the universe.

      Maybe if we toned it down a little stopped trying to turn our little girls into sex symbols at the age of 10 there wouldn't be so many unwanted pregnancies.

    • 3 years ago
  • zeropiate
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      zeropiate  
    • This should be an non-starter. However, "when does life start" conundrums aside, I don not doubt that the religious right will still fight against this natal "possibility" for ages to come.

    • 3 years ago
  • Nephwrack
  • tokyo_chic
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      tokyo_chic  
    • Kudos to the interviewer. Nicely done.

      But surely, as these women have been involved for "years", they should have at least paused to consider the ramifications involved with making abortion illegal. Illegal actions must have some sort of punishment, or else they aren't illegal. Notice how quick they were to state why it is wrong (and how they paraded with those explicit aborted fetus images), but were collectively clueless has to how to enforce their cause.

      I'm sympathetic to these women as ideally conscience should be the best punishment; however, it could be turned around to say that ANY crime could go unenforced and unpunished, "leaving it up to God" ultimately. The moral here is, if you're going to be an activist, look at all sides of the issue. The world is not black and white, but infinite shades of gray.

    • 3 years ago
  • ballabarista
  • Dunedigger
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      Dunedigger  
    • Wow, that is a good point. If you are going to oppose something you should think about all aspects of it. I'm ProChoice myself. Lol, I loved that vid thank you for the link.

    • 3 years ago
  • Jiji_Kero
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      Jiji_Kero  
    • I am all about pro-choice, but I do have to agree that there are a great deal of too many abortions happening, which is irresponsible. It LITERALLY is not that hard to prevent pregnancy and yet it occurs at an alarming rate.

      (Not including rape and incest in that statement, of course)

    • 3 years ago
  • nobodysfool
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      nobodysfool  
    • These people are out rallying against abortion, showing enlarged photos of aborted fetuses, but they haven't even thought the issue through completely. That's disgusting.

    • 3 years ago
  • FallenMorgan
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      FallenMorgan  
    • Pro-lifers and pro-choicers divide on one issue: which party is more important. In my opinion, the life and future of a 14, 15, 16, 17, or 18 year old is more important. Forcing the girl to have a child just because of a mistake will likely lead to her life being ruined. She may have to drop out of high school or college, and end up with a menial job.

      On the other hand, she can get an abortion, go to college and get a degree. Then later she can get an abortion. Despite the so called "psychological effects" women and girls still get abortions. Most only feel bad at first, then they start to feel better.

      My mother got an abortion before I was born. She already had my older half-brother when she was sixteen. If she had another kid, she'd be plundged further into poverty. She said she felt real bad about it, but now, she accepts the fact that getting an abortion was the lesser of two evils.

      Also, if the Christian God exists, wouldn't he be "loving" enough to, when an abortion occurs, take the fetus's soul/spirit/whatever out and implant it into another? The child had no chance to live, so why not?

      Christianity has adopted ideas not in the Bible before. For example, the rapture is not found anywhere in the Bible.

      Of course, there's the whole "since humans all have original sin for no reason a child who's aborted will be sent to purgatory" thing. Uh-huh, so much for a loving God.

    • 3 years ago
  • 2helenahandbasket
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      2helenahandbasket  
    • FallenMorgan:

      There are those who believe that doing away with one's child is the mistake. Other options are available. Putting the child up for adoption releases the mother from any responsibility toward the child and allows both the mother and the child to go on and live their lives. A pregnancy might alter a person's life, it might change the plans of a woman for awhile, but her life is not "ruined". Pregnancy is temporary. Abortion is permanent.

      "For example, the rapture is not found anywhere in the Bible."

      While the word "rapture" is not found in the Bible it is the common word used by Christians to describe the return of Christ at the end of time, which is spelled out in the Bible. It is not some foreign word that has nothing to do with the Bible.

    • 3 years ago
  • FallenMorgan
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      FallenMorgan  
    • FallenMorgan:

      The Bible doesn't say that the Christians will all be taken away to heaven while all the non-believers suffer.

      And with the adoption thing, that's just a strategy conservatives use to get women to keep their kids. A lot of women would, after pushing a kid out of their vagina, irrationally want to keep the kid.

      If we ban abortion the ramifications could lead to women being seen more as breeding machines rather than people.

    • 3 years ago
  • nazbags
  • 2helenahandbasket
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      2helenahandbasket  
    • I think the responses from the anti abortion folks just shows that they do have compassion for women who have an unwanted pregnancy. While they might have sympathy for the women, and are not sure they should be jailed, they also are convinced that abortion is murder.

      Maybe they've never concerned themselves with what should happen to the mother. Their concern is that babies are dying. And it IS true that regardless of what happens to the mother, the child IS dead, for real.

    • 3 years ago
  • Nephwrack
  • JoJoDeuce
  • neocongo
  • justright
  • FallenMorgan
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      FallenMorgan  
    • It should be available for those who need it. The government shouldn't push people to get abortions, nor should it act as a nanny by saying "deal with your mistake" or some insensitive shit like that.

    • 3 years ago
  • Scarabus
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      Scarabus  
    • It might or might not be legitimate to categorize abortion as muder. Depends on how you define murder. Regardless, it doesn't depend on whether you or I or Sarah Palin or the pope or anybody else says so, one way or the other. It's a distraction from serious civil discussion.

      The assertion that "Abortion is murder" makes a nice slogan for a sign to be carried at a protest, but it definitely doesn't contribute toward resolving such a morally and emotionally complex personal and social issue.

    • 3 years ago
  • lukewarmenthusiasm
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      lukewarmenthusiasm  
    • i'm a man so i don't want to say what women can do with their bodies. not my place. but i don't think it should be their first choice. sex education is the best way to go. just use a condom. that's why abstinence only programs suck. religious people need to think reasonably and realistically, they need to compromise eventually; believing people will truly wait till marriage or teach sex education so woman don't need to have abortions in the first place.

    • 3 years ago
  • dank420
  • neocongo
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      neocongo  
    • Hilarious. Fantastic example of how "hot button wedge" issues are rarely thought through. They are intended to appeal to the irrational emotions.

    • 3 years ago
  • petarro
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      petarro  
    • The question is stupid. One thing is the consequence of murder and another thing is helping them carry an abortion. People who have illegal abortions would carry with their own morale issues or should be prosecuted for murder.

      And "it's a question between the woman and her God" has nothing to do with the baby that scientifically is alive!

      Why didn't this video show the question to the guy the lady referred to?

    • 3 years ago
  • skyking3525
  • Jiji_Kero
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      Jiji_Kero  
    • petarro:

      "Scientifically alive?" And what is scientifically alive? The first heartbeat? When the brain is fully formed? When the sex is determined? When the baby is fully and completely formed?

    • 3 years ago
  • Nephwrack
  • petarro
  • grossenyucky
  • TopScruffy
  • Found_Avenue
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      Found_Avenue  
    • petarro:

      Absolutely. Anyone who is anti-choice because they believe "Abortion is Murder" is total hypocrite unless they are also Anti-War (to prevent murder of innocent people) and Vegetarian (to prevent murder of innocent animals). In making the "murder" argument, human fetuses cannot be considered the only Sentient Beings on this planet, or else the argument holds no water at all.

    • 3 years ago
  • dazzleemdead
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      dazzleemdead  
    • petarro:

      and then cutting down trees would be murder too.
      because that would be killing a plant.
      so by living in a house made of wood, you are in theory- a tree murderer, because you are support the killing of trees by purchasing a house or even furniture made of wood.

    • 3 years ago
  • Nephwrack
  • dank420
  • cerealforeal
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      cerealforeal  
    • Wow, why'd it take so long for someone to ask that? I can't talk either, I haven't thought about that question. Major props to the clever one who asked the question.

    • 3 years ago
  • rainbowryan420
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      rainbowryan420  
    • well those people didn't know what they are protesting

      if they were protesting against the medical practice of giving an abortion instead of the people getting them

      they would be a lot more successful

      i personally think that the kid isn't alive until they have a beating heart (22 days after conception)
      and abortion should be OK until then

    • 3 years ago
  • fuhleesha
  • cerealforeal
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      cerealforeal  
    • rainbowryan420:

      The gender of the child isn't even determined in the first six-eight weeks; also the reason why men have nipples (you'd think they'd fade away with evolution since they are not put to use). Eight weeks should be the earliest cut off date in my opinion. I'm all for 10 weeks though.

    • 3 years ago
  • rainbowryan420
  • ballabarista
  • drewsuf721
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      drewsuf721  
    • rainbowryan420:

      Well why don't we just say three years old... I mean you can't tell if they'll be strong until then. *Sarcasm*

      Calling cutoff dates is ridiculous, make a world where children are not a burden and this would be a non-issue. My solution, love the person you could possibly have a child with.

    • 3 years ago
  • Scarabus
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      Scarabus  
    • Holy cannoli! You'd think that while God was telling these women he wanted them to be there, he'd have given them at least a slight hint that their actions might have negative consequences as well as positive.

      It's all of a piece, of course: They haven't thought of what the consequences should be for women who get an abortion, which means they haven't really thought of what the consequences might be for their campaigning to make all abortion illegal.

      Incidentally, clueless news readers have misused the clause "which begs the question" so often that most people no longer have a clue about what the term refers to...or is supposed to refer to. And that's a shame because the concept is very, very important.

      To beg the question is to phrase a premise in such a way as to assume what you are supposed to be proving. For example, several of those women said one way or another that abortion should be illegal because it's murder. But the assertion is meaningless unless you first prove that abortion really is murder.

    • 3 years ago
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