Politics | February 11, 2009 | 48 comments

Biggest solar power deal!!

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The largest series of solar installations in history, more than 1,300 megawatts, is planned for the desert outside Los Angeles, according to a new deal between the utility Southern California Edison and solar power plant maker, BrightSource.
The momentous deal will deliver more electricity than even the largest nuclear plant, spread out among seven facilities, the first of which will start up in 2013. When fully operational, the companies say the facility will provide enough electricity to power 845,000 homes — more than exist in San Francisco — though estimates like that are notoriously squirrely.
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  • estee_arie
  • onechance
  • ras_menelik
  • jessnectar
  • Randynamite
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      Randynamite  
    • If you're seeking training & education options to help you enter the North American renewable energy sector, consider looking into one of the many new programs now available in Canada.

      http://www.CleanEnergyClassrooms.ca, the Canadian Guide to Sustainable Energy Training, is a comprehensive portal to a variety of programs and courses, from wind turbine technician diplomas to online courses in project assessment.

    • 3 years ago
  • ras_menelik
  • VTJimO
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      VTJimO  
    • Excellent!

      Now if we can get the Vermont hippies to stop whining "not in my back yard" maybe the Green Mountain State can get on board.

    • 3 years ago
  • TryThisOn
  • ras_menelik
  • TryThisOn
  • vladbox
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      vladbox  
    • Well there is a plant in Seville Spain already online that uses the same technology. I am sure that some sort of back up technology will be use in order to store the massive amounts of energy produce during the day, even if the plant is not "steaming".

      Also steam can be recoverable (in the form of energy) or salt water can be used. Both technologies are being used in refineries in Venezuela to recover energy that otherwise would be waisted.

      Read this article from BBC about the plant in Spain.
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6616651.stm

      Also there is an interesting development on recoverable energy technology being develop in Formula 1 cars called Kinetic Energy Recovery Systems, or KERS that is evolving rapidly, this may open doors for practical purposes in those kinds of plants.

      Never mind, graphic is up.

    • 3 years ago
  • ras_menelik
  • AveryMoore
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      AveryMoore  
    • vladbox:

      vladbox,

      Thanks for mentioning what should already be obvious.

      Thanks to Bush policies, we've stopped providing leadership in energy tech and now await developments in places like Spain or Brazil or Venezuela for leading edge tech.

      The same is true for water desalination, tidal or wave turbine power. We don't lead anymore, first we demand proof that the thing will make big bux - then limp in behind Europe, South America, Asia, India, even Africa.

      Better late than never? Yes!

      But still a disgrace to come in last and then boast about it.

    • 3 years ago
  • ras_menelik
  • ras_menelik
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      ras_menelik  
    • The technology isn't the familiar photovoltaics — the direct conversion of sunlight into electricity — but solar thermal power, which concentrates the sun's rays to create steam in a boiler and spin a turbine.

      Where is the water for all this steam coming from in the Mojave Desert?

    • 3 years ago
  • Robroy1
  • SDLN
  • TabulaRasa
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      TabulaRasa  
    • SDLN:

      That's what I was going to comment. Might as well utilize the desert for something... as long as it can be returned to it's natural state after we are done with it.

    • 3 years ago
  • clownpuncher
  • ScottDalrymple
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      ScottDalrymple  
    • If it sounds too good to be true ...
      How much power do you suppose it produces at night? Zilch, zippo, nada. How much does a city like San Fran consume at night? It looks great, but we need a couple nukes running 24x7 in the background to fill in on clowdy days and at night so why bother wiht the mega-expensive solar panels?

    • 3 years ago
  • liquidexplorer
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      liquidexplorer  
    • It appears that while this is a step in the right direction we have failed to understand the true scale of the problem. Maintaining our current level of consumption in not sustainable. Period. The per capita energy use of each American must be reduced through widespread cultural change. The "renewable energy" lifeboat we are all waiting for will not arrive soon enough. Hyper individualism and the cultural myth of limitless growth make this a tough pill to swallow.

    • 3 years ago
  • mrboo
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      mrboo  
    • Finally we decided to go green. This is the first step of energy independent. If we keep doing this way across all states, we are able to be fully GREEN in just around 15 years. The technology then getting better and better, cheaper and cheaper, every single house roof will be made of solar panel. The world then change. Happy to see those Middle Eastern living by drinking their oil (no body in the world will buy oil any more).

      :)

    • 3 years ago
  • Bldng4Jstc
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      Bldng4Jstc  
    • mrboo:

      Even if we drive electric cars, diesel will still be used to haul things (train or truck). More importantly, oil or oil based products are used in plastics, lubricants, and an array of other important items. If only the west and the middle east were not short sighted, we could see how conserving is in the best interests for both countries - in the long term.

    • 3 years ago
  • maisry
  • cztheday
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      cztheday  
    • I agree this is another step in the right direction. In my opinion the largest barrier to widespread use of wind and solar energy continues to be the lack of progress in the search for better battery storage. When the wind doesn't blow consistently and/or the sun doesn't shine consistently the power still has to come from somewhere (which usually either means fossil fuels or nuclear - there is hydro of course, but it is well spoken for already and so environmentally dangerous that I don't think it wise to look THAT direction any longer. The other promising technologies, geothermal, wave energy, etc also need that battery component, which just is not available yet, although scientists, engineers and industrialists are certainly making admirable progress (understandable from both the perspective of the great gift such technology would be to humanity AND the fact that every major advancement in battery technology makes the "advancers" filthy rich -- hey, as a motivation money still works pretty well!). In many parts of the country, including mine, there is also a huge problem of lack of transmission capability. All of the wind and solar power in the world is of no value if there are no large "pipes" (transmission lines) to carry it to the region that needs it. And considering that it usually takes upwards of 10 years to build a major transmission route, the problem in not one that can be resolved overnight. I mention all of this mostly because I think a lot of people get frustrated that there isn't some kind of instantaneous transition to renewables. Like most big problems this one is not that simple. MY big hangup is that I just cannot fathom why anyone would even consider supporting even one more nuclear plant when we have such enormous waste storage problems already. But then, I am sure there are economies that are ready to rocket skyward if they could only get access to adequate power and are desperate for whatever solution presents itself (doesn't change my position, but I sympathize).

    • 3 years ago
  • MissG
  • kennymotown
  • loftyer
  • Cashmere
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      Cashmere  
    • This is great. Keep these kinds of deals coming. We need them. Can you immagine the alleviation of guilt once you know you are operating on sustainable energy. No more "Shit, i left the light on".

    • 3 years ago
  • Bldng4Jstc
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      Bldng4Jstc  
    • Cashmere:

      We will never generate enough green energy to sustain the current and future level of consumption. You will have to change your lifestyle - either by choice now or when you have to in the future.

    • 3 years ago
  • TryThisOn
  • Beatrix_Kiddo
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      Beatrix_Kiddo  
    • Cashmere:

      I think that's awesome to put it like that Cashmere. It is true too, I mean, these new energy resources will totally redefine how energy is used and also regenerate that way electricity is looked at forever.

    • 3 years ago
  • aspenlve
  • stopnoise
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      stopnoise  
    • You see, who said it is not possible? Hey vladbox, Don't you have the Firefox current bar? You should have grabbed the other picture on the post. I think you can go back and do it.

    • 3 years ago
  • vladbox
  • jade_azul16
  • TryThisOn
  • JanforGore
  • Wesnology61
  • petarro
  • clownpuncher
  • VTJimO
  • Beatrix_Kiddo
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      Beatrix_Kiddo  
    • JanforGore:

      Maybe a few prairie dogs or something? That would probably be good---lessening the desire to hold them as diseased pets around the world!

      Something just doesn't click there Jan...a solar energy design constructed to help the environment, even if it did by chance kill a desert animal or two, would be better for EVERY living thing on the planet in the long run, don't you think?

    • 3 years ago
  • AveryMoore
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      AveryMoore  
    • JanforGore:

      Beatrix,

      Environmental impact studies are as warranted now as in any other case - but there is still a tendency among the more radical eco-Puritans to refuse any advance unless it meets their ever-shifting criteria of 'Perfect Enough.'

      Thus we witness the irony, the perfectionistas line up with the big polluters vehemently to oppose the very same environmental projects - for diametrically opposite reasons. Both accomplish the same end - delay in implementing widespread change.

    • 3 years ago
  • Beatrix_Kiddo
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      Beatrix_Kiddo  
    • By the way--it will be awesome when we all see a massive surge of wind and hydroelectric power. Wonder if there's any movements going on like that yet?

    • 3 years ago
  • Beatrix_Kiddo
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      Beatrix_Kiddo  
    • Whoa. It looks like the world is finally turning to alternative energy rather than the bullshit material stuff. I really hope this isn't that last wave of alternatives things we see in history. GET THAT DAMN OIL BACK IN THE GROUND FOR GOOD!!!! :)

    • 3 years ago
  • sasquatch88
  • AveryMoore
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