The American Civilized War

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In April of 1861 the state of South Carolina began an artillery barrage of the United States Fort Sumter. In that exchange of artillery began the largest fight between Federalism and Confederacy in the United States of America. 618,000 Americans died in the conflict that was meant to end the debate that has raged since the days of Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Paine.
Yet, we are repeating the worse of our history. In reflection like quality; rogue groups within our nation have begun to incite irrational fear and anger over presumptions not truths.
Perhaps people of today do not understand our nation’s history or its founding father’s decisions. I would love to assume that this is the truth. Examining these two time periods I am bound to conclude that the irrational fear and anger is planned. It is being perpetuated by individuals that do understand our nation’s history.
The American Civil War was started because of one man. Abraham Lincoln is at fault for the nearly 700,000 casualties. Yet, it wasn’t his doing. In the autumn of 1860 when he became elected; groups within the southern states incited fear and anger over impending rules and regulations. They believed Lincoln would put pressure on them that would change their way of life. Instead of handling these allegations in a proper civilized way the states reacted violently. Abraham Lincoln would later become a martyr for a Federalized Government.
The same thing is happening today. Fringe groups have taken to the airwaves and our street corners preaching a message that has no physical meaning. They are protesting a theoretical issue instead of any real issues. Their messages are empty and hollow. They speak with arrogance and shaman style warnings, but they reason without discourse.
They do not understand the waters they are treading. They do not understand that others have tried their reasoning and approaches and have failed. The Confederate States of America are gone. Yet, I do not think some know they are advocating for a Confederacy. They do not want a Federal government, but it appears they want to keep a Democratic Republic. Their arguments are full of these types of paradoxes.
It is insensitive to say this but it has to be said. You cannot have the uneducated voicing a people. Leaders need to have an ability to convey a message to The People not just their own people. I have yet to meet one self described “Tea Party” member that can bring intelligent point and counter points to the table.
There is an infinite number of reasons why the Tea Party/Ultra Conservatives/Ultra Liberals will fail but here is a few:
Tea Party:
You are a party named after American Colonist refusal to accept taxes created by Great Britain because the colonist were not being represented as a citizen by the crown. Yet, since 1788 taxes have been created by people elected by the people.
You call for destabilization of the Federal Government, yet you have to alternative. Where would that leave us? At the hands of state governments? Where laws would (even more so) drastically change over state lines? Where population heavy states would become dominant players in our country. You would be calling for the very thing that was supposed to be prevented. Do you think Rhode Island would have much of a chance in debating with Connecticut?
You attribute the power of the United State economy with Capitalism. Yet, you refuse to understand that the United States is far from Laissez-faire. Before F.D.R drastically changed the United States economy we were operating in a somewhat Laissez-faire manner. Our economy was horrible at this point. When Roosevelt changed the economy we created new enemies. The Axis of the World War II sensed our change and thus our potential in shaping the world. They lost the war and the United States became what it is today.
Ultra Conservatives:
You are blind by the power of individual thought versus the betterment of humanity. You have a sense of right and wrong, but only to your own accord. You have no ability to sense injustice and basic human rights outside of your own circles.
You look upon the founding fathers for comfort and posterity. Yet, you do not understand their messages or plans. You learn the facts of history but not the whys. You see George Washington as a founding father. You call upon the U.S. Constitution to defend asinine presumptions yet you denounce sections that protect those who you see as enemies.
You create hate and fear with broad statements about injustice. You put groups in fear and negative light in the same sentence that you swear to protect others.
Ultra Liberals:
You have no direction and no message. You speak for common sense, but do not have any to speak about. You call for great actions to be taken across the land but you have no formula or reason for doing so. You are a crowd pleaser with no content.
You blame others for what has been done. Yet you stood by as the very things were done. You act as if you were born after the atrocities and you're rectifying your father’s mistakes. You were cowards as crimes were committed and now that the monster has breathed it’s last breathe you come out of your hut to claim that the monster will never hurt us again.
You look at yourselves as white knights; Champions of good over evil. But, you have proven otherwise. You take great measures to look like you bettering the human race but the only thing you do is not hurt the human race more. Our systems are archaic and you see your selves as progressives. You have no ability to convey a message and the U.S. would be better off not having you as a spokesman for important issues. Republicans might be the party of “No”, but you have turned into a party of “umm…”
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Proud_Progressive
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I stopped when Lincoln was blamed for the Civil War.
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Proud_Progressive
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PrivateBurke
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Proud_Progressive:
Then apparently you have no idea why the Civil War started and refuse to learn.
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PrivateBurke
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Proud_Progressive
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PrivateBurke:
And yet I distinctly remember taking a class exclusively devoted to the Civil War and not refusing to learn.
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Proud_Progressive
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Proud_Progressive
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PrivateBurke:
It's the Jews' fault for not leaving Germany before the Holocaust, right?
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Proud_Progressive
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PrivateBurke
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Proud_Progressive:
The term "at fault" in the dictionary: 1. Deserving of blame; guilty.
Let me rewrite the sentence with the definition in place of the term. "Abraham Lincoln is deserving of blame for the nearly 700,000 casualties. Yet, it wasn’t his doing."
Now blame is defined as "To hold responsible."
It's either you can't understand non-direct English language or you actually believe the Civil War was fought over slavery. Abraham Lincoln's election was the straw that broke the camels back. Most U.S. scholars believe war would have been avoided if Douglas or Breckenridge had won the election.
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PrivateBurke
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Proud_Progressive
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PrivateBurke:
Why? Because they weren't going to end slavery.
If you want to say his election was the impetus for the Civil War, I won't disagree. But to outright blame him is just incorrect.
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Proud_Progressive
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PrivateBurke
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Proud_Progressive:
You're defining the word blame in just one of it's meanings.
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PrivateBurke
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r0nan
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There is some wisdom in what you say. Some. I think it's good to have the far right and the far left. One side always keeping the other in check. Our nation is huge and diverse. We always seem to have the pendulum swinging, but we always end up in the middle. I'm proud to be American because we are free to be as far left and right as we want. We can even have a party called: "The Rent is to Damn High"
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r0nan
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bailey78
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I agree with some of what you said the rest I believe is just smoke to be blown up the asses of those that can not or will not see the truth. We are all in this togeather when those that refuse to see we are sinking in the waters like a vessel that has been bombed by it's own crew then we will fail like no other
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bailey78
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noxidereus
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Your understanding of progressives is lacking. Was it really that hard to attack us to make yourself seem somehow more reasonable than everyone else? All you are basically saying is that liberals:
* don't have anything to say / no message / no direction
(bullshit - five minutes on current proves otherwise)* allowed bad things to happen
(hate to break it to you but *everyone* in America allowed bad things to happen - at least liberals protested WHILE it was happening and continue to do so, what's the alternative -- violent overthrow of the government? No thanks.)* "now that the monster has breathed it’s last breathe you come out of your hut to claim that the monster will never hurt us again"
(huh? what are you talking about?)* "You look at yourselves as white knights; Champions of good over evil"
(Nope, that's the conservatives, sorry)* "Our systems are archaic and you see your selves as progressives"
(huh? ...and our current systems are not progressive, Barrack Obama is not a progressive either, so what are you talking about?)You are the one with no message. All you have is criticism. Some of it warranted, some of it being pulled out of your ass in some lame attempt to appear superficially balanced.
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noxidereus
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PrivateBurke
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noxidereus:
Your understanding of the article is lacking. I was talking about Ultra Liberals not progressives.
Not once did I attack the progressive movement.
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PrivateBurke
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ReverandG
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noxidereus:
Nice. I have nothing to add, you said it well.
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ReverandG
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UtopianSky
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PrivateBurke:
And who are the ultra liberals?
Which individuals or groups? - 1 year ago
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UtopianSky
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remanns
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Pondering. Thanks for the read.
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remanns
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dontteaonme
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Andersonvillesurvivor.jpg
How the Confederacy treated Union Prisoners!
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dontteaonme
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bailey78
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dontteaonme:
The Union treated Confederates just as bad.
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bailey78