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27 responses // Sad Irony and Lack of Historical Perspective

  • Very true. We never learn from the mistakes of the past. That argument never made logical sense in the 1950s and never will.

    Sadly, there are still many people who believe that interracial marriages should be illegal.
    kelliekat
  • My face! It's garbled!
    somerandomdude
  • blame the person who did the viewpoints page!!!
    klenga
  • I blamed him a long time ago.
    somerandomdude
  • "all men created equal"

    done.
    gargoylex
  • Amen! I grew up in a strict, right-wing, conservative, white Southern Baptist home in the deep South and I can remember when I was little, Sammy Davis Junior was on television and my mother and aunts started talking about how they used to think he was such a fine person and then he went and married a white woman. I clearly remember my mother remarking "they don't stop to think about how hard it will be for their children". A few months ago I recounted the conversation to my mother who, like my aunts who took part in the conversation, have since some around to accept interracial marriage. She told me that she was embarrassed to be reminded of some of the things she used to say on certain subjects and asked me to remember that when she said it, that was what most people believed to be true at the time. I assured her that I understood the comment in it's historical context and although she is still a conservative, right-wing, Southern Baptist, I know that she is not a racist. I went on to say that twenty to thirty years from now, a lot of people from my generation will probably be equally embarrassed when their adult children remind them of some of the things they are saying these days about same-sex marriage.
    Tommygun264
  • So true Tommygun. Great example.
    somerandomdude
  • Mainstream America has had "fear and hatred" thrown down their throats for so long now in the Bushy administration that they are brainwashed to despise anyone that is different than themself. A very SAD time in the USA.
    Cody21
  • I wonder how many people who are against same sex marriage, actually know any one who is gay? They talk about the people involved as if they were somehow a different from the mainstream totally acceptable types that they, I'm sure, percieve themselves to be. Deep down we all the same, wanting to be loved and to have some one to love. We just pick different individuals to love. I'm a big supporter of Love. I wonder if those who are against gay marriage realize that they are against Love? With all the bible quoting that they use as their reasons against same sex marriage, or anything else that gets their goat, I wonder if they ever actually think for themselves or if "the bibie tells them so" for everything?
    Bobbe
  • They need to all go and see that movie just released:

    "The Bible tells me So" ... quite an eye-opener because it clarifies the true meaning of what various scriptute passages mean - as they relate to their positions on homosexuality. But they (neo-cons) will likely just be brainwashed again that it's propoganda and be TOLD by their churches to not see it....
    Cody21
  • http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Examples_of_Republican_h...
    Hyprocrites
    Hyprocrites
    Wanted to share this link of the moral righteous and hypocritical nature of the Republicans that continue to deny equal rights and would prefer to see us as a Theocracy.

    Please share this with your friends to expose these people for what they are.
    Cody21
  • If two people, any two people love each other, and want to commit to one another for life, God bless. (Any God- I am not religious) enough said.
    People have been homosexual for centuries, they are humans, and they are wonderful, and deserve the same rights as everyone else simply because they are human, and live here too. PEACE! :-)
    anniefaer
  • My kids, 24 and 23, are always wondering why people are making a big deal out of gay or lesbian people. I think it is true that one day in the not so distance future, all the gay bashing and anti-gay marriage will be a thing of the past.
    maggzilla
  • maggzilla - I completely agree with you. It's exactly how the civil rights movement in the 60's was - the naysayers were predominantly old and set in their ways. Just another parallel between racial civil rights and civil rights for the LGBT community.
    somerandomdude
  • We can only hope that the time comes all too soon. Maybe it will help bring together this split-in-half country.
    Cody21
  • George Santayana said “Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it”. It is often quoted as "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it" Whatever the translation from the original Spanish, Many cannot learn from history. The problem is that many people's understanding of their scripture trumps any logic or scientific facts. The attitude that everything anyone needs to know is stated in a book of mythology. It is obviously easier for some to believe what they are told to believe than to think for themselves. As Bobbi said these people probably don't know any GLBT people. They choose not to know them. They choose to believe the mytholgy and stereotypes spoon fed by preachers who find preaching against something more profitable than preaching for anything. Crusades against are much more likely to incite passion. Following the sermon on the mount is much more difficult to sell. Love thy neighbor would mean accepting a whole variety of people that have in their tradition been unacceptable. It is true, ignorance is bliss. Simple hatred is much easier than living complicated relationships.
    larissajo
  • If you don't agree with same-sex marriage, then don't marry someone of the same sex. It's as simple as that. And no, I don't think that Farmer John will marry his pig if we allow gay marriage!
    LibertyBelle
  • I can't hear the pod
    ajpacella
  • True true true. The "social conservatives" said the same thing about women's rights and minorty rights and now the next "threat to the fabric of society" is gay rights. The neo-cons want you to believe that if we give the same rights to these groups, that our values and culture will fall apart. Well history has proven that wrong time and again, and those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Love is love is love, and in the "land of the free", we need to include everybody in that sentence. We need to keep the Federal government out of our pockets and out of our bedrooms.
    zombies_love_brains
  • Dear SOMERANDOMDUDE,

    Holy shit! My friend and I were discussing this issue and no more than 5 minutes before I clicked on your post the EXACT same words came out of my mouth!!! I am a black woman who has grown up in the south and I have experienced first hand the hysteria of southern fundamentalists over interrracial relationships and I am flabberghasted that it still ensues 50 years after civil rights. Not only do people have no sense of history they are happy with their ignorance. They don't try to get to know black people firsthand, they continue to judge off of what they see on televison or hear on the radio. 98% of the people I hear talking about gay rights don't know any gay people and are brainwashed by their parents or their pastor. Longwinded but glad to know that someone else notices the connection!
    Disconnect21
  • your 100% right. It's funny how things repeat it's self.
    Coeus1
  • I have and do know many gay people. My observation is that gay people don't stay together more than 10 years. Most break up long before then. I don't really support gay marriage as the divorce system is in many places already booked up with Hetro marriages gone bad. The only people who would really benifit from it is the lawyers. Marriage certificate is just a peice of paper anyway. If you are truely in love in a Gay relationship marriage only complicates the relationship. If states could come up with a no hassle way to get divorced, I would support it. Most gays have not gone through a divorce in real life. Its something that can just hurt you so badly, you don't ever want to go through one. Honestly. :(
    mark_pony
  • I myself am from an interracial family, my mother is Korean, and my father is White. My father's parents are interracial as well, his mother is half Indian and White and his father is German. I like to call myself Human, rather an ethnicity. What an interracial couple does in their beds is none of my concern. What a straight couple does in their beds is none of my concern. What a gay couple does in their beds is also, none of my concern. So, who's to say who you should fall in love with?
    EMC
    • EMC
    • 8 months ago
  • I wish that our nation wasn't representing itself in such a negative way regarding another human beings basic right to live freely... whether we like how they do that or not. I wish that our government didn't feel the need to legislate our choices.
    DawnMezzo
  • While I don't have a definite stance on either side of the gay marriage argument, I have to say that interracial marriages vs. gay marriages are two totally different arguments. The color of someone's skin vs. someone's sexual preference cannot be compared. With that said, you can't really use this as an argument to justify or support the gay marriage issue. We need to stop equating the homosexual "struggle" with that of black civil rights. It's a slap in the face to the black race.
    dunamismedia
  • my cousin is gay and he is going for a civil partnership. i am happy for him and i hate it when people talk badly of gay people. they are the same as us and they dont deserve to have all this talk about them. if you talk badly of gay people, then please stop, just think they could hate straight peole and we wouldn't like that would we. we all have equal rights in life so can we all just act like that instead of being so small minded and ignorant towards gay people
    AJLloyd
  • dunamismedia:
    It is a slap in the face of gay people to negate their struggle because of what African-Americans have also had to endure. To state that " We need to stop equating the homosexual 'struggle' with that of black civil rights" reveals blatant bigotry and basic ignorance.

    I have had three friends violently attacked because of their sexuality. One was stabbed in the middle of the day while walking in a "gay neighborhood". One was beaten by four men after leaving a gay bar. The third one was beaten with a baseball bat, suffered for weeks in a coma and later died. His parents disowned him when they learned of his sexuality and never came to the hospital or claimed his body.

    I have myself been fired from a job because of my sexuality.....twice. Perfectly legal, with no recourse for me. It is still legal to fire someone on the basis of their sexuality in 31 states.

    Neither I nor my long-term partner have any federal marriage benefits, including the right to inheritance, hospital visitation, tax breaks or over 1000 other protections which heterosexual couples may take advantage of.
    Or take for granted.

    Gay citizens are villified from the pulpit, from the convention podium, from the television set and in the homes of their own families.

    Hate crimes against gay citizens are on the increase and as gay teens are "coming out" at earlier ages, the rate of bullying in schools increases proportionately.

    I could go on (and on), unfortunately, but I think I've made my point for those who care to understand it.

    When you, DUNAMISMEDIA, have the profound nerve to blithely write that what I and other gay citizens have had to endure is not actual discrimination, you yourself are a perpetrator of that discrimination.

    I would never conceive of saying that the injustice and violence visited upon gay citizens throughout history and up to the present somehow conflicts with the reality of 300 years of inhuman horror endured by blacks in this country. To do so would only reveal a weak attempt to cloak racism in a false argument. The opposite position exposes the same level of bigotry.
    amc
    • amc
    • 4 months ago

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