What we're facing is everywhere

Wow.......not sure where to start. the only thing I can agree with is that only a military strategy will not bring peace. But you need to come out from under what ever rock you have been hiding under. I know that sounds harsh but do even fully realize what you are commenting on? This is a great example of most(I think) Americans sticking their collective heads in the sand. Jesus will fix everything we refuse to deal with.....! And we'll still get into heaven. I think Jesus would be horrified by this war, any war for that matter. But what I think he would even be more disgusted by is the the fact that we supported this war, with apathy, racism, greed, and a need to lash out and take revenge. I don't think these are Christian values, and Christians need to wake up and refuse this kind of vague uniformed and just plain stupid rallying cry. Reject the propaganda and think for your self, do a little research, have a little love for thy fellow man.

Jexander, I just wanted to say that there are a growing number of Christians who are speaking up about the unjustified war that is going on. I also feel that Jesus would in no way have supported this war. It is unfortunate that people who wave their christian flag and chant the "stupid rally cry" are the ones that are heard instead of the ones that say "shalom."

When I say that I am a Christian I get lumped in with the people who follow the propaganda, "hate gays", think global warming is a myth, and condemn people who have abortions. Jesus said, about Christians, that people would know us by the love we have for one another. He didn't say people should know us by the complaints and condemnations that so many of us make, but it seems like that is what we have done. All I can say is that I am sorry, and I hope we can do better.

Lady I was once really trapped in the same thinking as you. I would love to by you lunch and chat with you.

Honestly.

I believe that we are under supreme attack and as a nation we should be prepared for wide spread devastation because of fundamental Islam wihtih our borders. You dont' have to be Christian to say that. That's in their doctrine and what they are not ashamed to say. They will insight war to bring in their mujahadeen. Major publications 2 months ago interviewed Muslims who some (American Muslims) say that if necessary sucide bombings are okay. Wow! Only in America would that language be okay. You say that in Iraq...they'll hunt you down fast. Or any other country. We have all this political correctness going on that we are afraid to call a spade a spade. All I'm saying is we should be very afraid if we don't have confidence in anything but this earth...

Not sure jexandra where I mentioned that war was acceptable??? There are times for it, but my comment was on the need to be aware of what we are facing...It is a WHO not a what really. We are facing a people group who believe they will stop at nothing to being their Savior to this planet to make it all Muslim!!! And if you dont' bow, you will die. Essentially, if you are not Muslim than that's your death sentence.

Lesliedawn, you obviously know nothing about Islam. As for Iraq, well, if you poke a stick into a wasp nest, don't be surprised if they come out and sting you. Islam is far less of a threat in this world than the American brand of fundamentalist and bigoted "Christianity".

I think it is the Christian extremists who have been played like puppets by this administration to believe that there is some kind of Holy war. Sad to see you and so many buy into the fear tactics they serve you. This is not a war. This is an occupation to capture power and oil in the region. We have no business being there other than to line the pockets of those in bed with the war and oil industries. You and so many others have been used while you watch the value of your dollar go down the toilet, your jobs get shipped out of country, your families get fractured and your values focus on the trivial. The blind sheep keep shopping. They stand in line for hours to get the latest unnecessary trinket built by slave labor and keep preaching hate for the places and people they do not understand. Why is there lead in the paint and poison in the food? I am disgusted by all these trained parrots that keep repeating the same lines over and over again as if they had any meaning at all. Polly want a cracker! Polly want a War! Polly want to hate! Polly want cheap Bling! Polly is about to trade in its last feather for all that. Soon to wonder why it got so cold in here.

Lesliedawn, are you aware that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the US? Get prepared to get really scared or get over it (Sounds too late, maybe you're already really scared.)

Our soldiers in Iraq are not a blessing, far from it, rather it's creating HELL ON EARTH. Wait a minute, maybe this war was designed to do just that and it's a success.

Think outside of the box, err.. church Leslie.

I'm not sure you know what you're up against or if you live in the US. If you do, than you need to leave.

I gave this a GL. I hope people are able to see that the idea, 'your right and there wrong' is why they are attacking us. This message is the same F***ing message that they are giving just in the "Christian" tounge. How about be original. Find how we are like the people we war against. Highlight our common ground and use this to understand, accept, and change their view of us.

I hope the majority of humans have a bigger picture than this person.

Thanks,
Barry
Realizations in Baja

What do I obviously not know about Islam? I'll find 20 quotes if you want me too. If your Muslim you follow the Koran. Sherrah law? (Spelling?) Look it up. Go buy a Koran and read it. Don't take my word for it.

No, I am not a Muslim, but I have lived in Muslim countries, and I have the Koran and I read it before you were born and a great many times since, lesliedawn. Mine is not an altered translation made by American fundies, either. I know about Shariah law, I don't approve of much of it, true, but then, a majority of Muslims do not conform with Shariah either. I know you can get mendacious translations on the web, on sites run by hateful and ignorant Christian fundies, so I have no doubt that you can post 20 "quotes" - they have been talking points among the fundies for years, but have no basis in the actual Koran.

First, I would like to say that I appreciate your willingness to post your views in light of probable hostility. I don't agree, but it is the ability to speak freely, and truthfully, that promotes intelligence, understanding, cooperation, and emotional and moral growth.

As someone who has studied libraries of original, or near original religious texts, nearly unilaterally has violent extremism been promoted or at least condoned in some portion. The Bible promotes slavery, incest, genocide, and all sorts of things that are understood to be inhumane and typically unacceptable to your general individual. The same goes for the Koran, the Torah, and many others.

You cannot judge any person, much less any religion, entirely on the verbatim of its texts. Or even entirely on the actions of a few members of its global congregation. There are extremist Christian groups which could be considered terrorists in the same light as Al Quaida. A long and bloody history can be attributed to both religions.

As for wanting a 'Holy War', a 'return of the savior', you should research PNAC - a high-level American ultraconservative group fighting for the exact same principles from the American perspective.


In short, where this situation is concerned,America is hypocrite, and there is no one and no easy answer. Even our troops agree with this: many disagree with the war, but hold to silence on pain of imprisonment.

People like this are half the problem

If this was truly a war for national security, Bush would have thrown all of the country's military muscle at finding Bin Laden. There would be hundreds of thousands of US soldiers in Afghanistan. He would have invaded Pakistan and overthrown that dictatorship and routed out Bin Laden and Al Queda. But he didn't because the war in Iraq is for control of middle eastern oil. Sadam Hussein was an outspoken critic of the US and he paid the price. Unfortunately, we're all paying a terrible price. Our soldiers and the Iraqi people are paying with their lives, and we're paying with our tax dollars and weaker national security. The U.S. is widely viewed around the world as the biggest bully for supporting corrupt governments and dictatorships in the middle east and smashing Iraq to silence Hussein's vocal opposition. We are all less secure because of Bush's war and his support of the oil sheiks in Saudi Arabia and throughout the middle east. Play ball with the US, sell oil to the US, oppress your people and you're OK with Bush. No wonder we are less secure today than before the war.

completely contradictory: Saddam Hussein was a beastly leader, but he was completely against Islamicism. And the military/ religious ideas you promote are very close to the religious/militant beliefs you say you deplore. Substituting tyhe word Jesus for Mohammed doesn't change that much. How can you say you believe in Christ, who was in favor of peace, and also say being a military person is the greatest? Please understand that the military leaders of the U.S. mostly want to rule the world. It is up to civilians to hold them in check.

Who would Jesus bomb, honey?

What a near-sighted and distorted view of reality! What are they gonna do? Send a camel train over the Berring Straits and invade Alaska?! Those jihadists are living caves. C'mon! This is an ILLEGAL war, trumped up by Cheney and Rumsfeld, based on lies, distorted by fear, in order to rob Americans of their freedoms, their money, and their standing in the world. Estimates are the total cost will be between 1.7 and 2.4 TRILLION DOLLARS! And it accomplished NOTHING! Get a clue!

WAKE UP PEOPLE. THIS IS FAKE. FAKE FAKE. Notice how all the 'anti' posts (the ones who the majority does not support here), all use the same cameras, same handheld shaky shots. Same background (kind of looks like the AL GORE background, hmmm)

Stephanielh is the same background, same shakey camera. And there are others. Darino as well.

My guess is that Current TV is planting them to stiumulate discussion. Am I right? If I am, it's pretty disingenuous.

Leslie, people like you frighten me far more than any A-rab terrorists! You don't realize how much you are like them. You think we SHOULD be devastating a country that did nothing to us? Had NO CONNECTION to 9/11? And then you say that Iraq cannot be solved militarily, only thru Christ. Do you realize that it is a Muslim country? Are you saying that they must convert to Christianity? Exactly what are you saying?

You make me so angry and at the same time I feel sorry for you. Sorry because you have NO IDEA how brainwashed and mind-boggled you are. I once was brainwashed -- not anywhere as bad as you, tho! -- and PTL, George Bush himself opened my eyes very wide. I was shocked at what I saw! I was shocked at myself for not knowing how brainwashed I was.

Come out of the coma. Open your mind and just explore the ideas. I highly recommend it.

I guess my question is that if this is a holy war, why did the U.S. start it? Have we become a religious nation? When did the revolution happen? When did we throw out the Constitution? If 3/4 of the people who flew into the twin towers of the World Trade Center were Saudis, why didn't we invade Saudi Arabia? If it was instigated by Osama Bin Laden, why have we continuously let him escape while we focus on other countries? The truth is the World Trade Center disaster was not instigated for religious reasons. The invasion of Iraq was not done for religious reasons. The whole idea that you are dragging your God into this argument is ludicrous. In both instances the motivation was revenge. That is a totally ungodly cause. I don't know anywhere in your Bible that (despite the rantings of the likes of Pat Robertson, the late Jerry Falwell, James Dobson, and the like) espouses revenge killing. I thought it said things like "Thou shalt not KILL" and love thy neighbor and turn the other cheek. You have to go way back to the primative times of the Old Testament to find blood lust. It is not blessed for our young people to be in harms way in an unjust war started for selfish motives. It is not reasonable to ask one single mother to mourn her son or daughter who was blown apart in a foreign land by a homemade bomb planted by factions in a civil war. We apparently did not learn our lesson in Viet Nam. In the mean time the war is having the effect Bin Laden hoped for. Like the now defunct Soviet Union, we will soon have bankrupted the country with our war spending. We will live in a level of fear from cradle to grave. We will never again be able to hold our head up in the International Community because of our conduct in this war. In the mean time we are cutting services to our citizens. Please don't bring your god into this. It is purely self serving politicians who started and are prolonging this war.

I thought this was about oil. It was trading at $20/barrel during Clinton/Gore. NOW it is $90/barrel and going up. Mission Accomplished!

You say that peace will only be restored by Christ and not a military strategy then how were all the other wars resolved, and if you say that we did not need Christ to resolve those wars then tell me what is it that makes you think we need Christ on our side to restore peace to this one, and if you think that Christ did restore peace to the other wars please explain to me what makes you think that.

Why do think that is a blessing that our soldiers are committing to military service when you think that a military strategy won't do anything except get people killed and that Christ is the only one who will restore peace??

There is a book called "Life as We Knew It" By Susan Beth Pfeffer you should read it and maybe you might find a character that resembles yourself.

Wow....This is why my Nation is in such a poor state right now, people like you Leslie....

onward christian soldiers!!!!! I worship the king of beers!!!! when the trumpets blow I will be getting drunk in the bar.

How can you expect to fix something in another country when you cant even fix the problems in our own.

Lesliedawn:
If anything, your views are predictable. Regardless, rather than argue the right's or wrong's of your thinking there is a way to prove to everyone here that you are convinced of the validity of your argument and our presence in Iraq. Namely, enlist in the Army, Army National Guard or the Marines. You appear to be young enough and there are certainly no gender barriers that would prevent you from helping the military defend us from the hordes of jihadists you claim are ready to take over America. You have children? Sorry, not an excuse, as many women serving in our military also have children. Single parent. That's what relatives are for. Besides, there's no point in raising a family if they are going to converted to Islam, right? Against killing? Not from what your saying, so you can't claim conciencious objector status. Wouldn't make a good soldier? That's what boot camp is for.
My point is ths. Unless you are willing to take up arms and PARTICIPATE in the fighting to defend your home, your God and your family, from the Islamic fundamentalists and jihadists you say are out to get us, then your arguments amount to no more than verbal detritus. Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is?

spin doctors put a spell on you.

Leslie,
There is nothing in your diatribe more telling than this statement you made to a respondent: "I'm not sure you know what you're up against or if you live in the US. If you do, than you need to leave."

I feel very sorry for the America I used to know. And am embarrassed to share a nationality with you.

People like you, who hide behind your false righteous indignation drag the names of both Christ and America through the mud. Your unwavering bullheadedness in the face of easily researchable facts promotes the idea that American's are ignorant and possibly incapable of (or at least unwilling to) learn[ing].

You continue to point out the fact that too many Christian-American's either have never read the Scriptures or just cannot grasp the fact that by appearing as you do, you promote quite the opposite effect as desired by Christ.
We are to be a light to the world. We are commanded to show the love of Christ to unbelievers by our actions, not bomb them into submission or exile them if they disagree with us.

Perhaps you are an agent provocateur for the other side? (And I don't mean Islam.)

Shame on you!

Ok, let us start from the beginning where you say "Jihadist" want world domination and they want their "savior" to come. So, you look at the "Jihadist" but not yourself. What do you call the evangelicals who are controlling this country, who want world domination, and use the state of israel as a way to get their savior (christ) into the world. what do you call that, they're the exact same thing, religious radicals.

"...It is a WHO not a what really. We are facing a people group who believe they will stop at nothing to being their Savior to this planet to make it all Muslim!!! And if you dont' bow, you will die. Essentially, if you are not Muslim than that's your death sentence."


that is how christianity became so powerful!

they came to the new world, the americas, and did exactly what you think the muslim world is doing today.


its all in the history books you decided to ignore.
read a book.

How can war be holy when it was created by man? God does not ordain wars. Men do, and they do it falsely in the name of God. Instead of supporting such blasphemous ideals in fear of terrorism, you should have faith in finding a peaceful solution. I always thought that religon was about being able to open up your heart to another person as you do God, so that all can become closer to God. No war can open another person's heart, nor can ignorance or hatred. We have to try to understand each other better, because we are all people and as people we are all God's children. There is no need to bicker over what God has given all of us to share. So love your neighbor even if your name is your enemy, because only love can soften a hardened heart.