From Russia With Hate
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Current's Christof Putzel investigates a growing movement in Russia where neo-Nazi groups are brutally attacking immigrants and spreading their hate by posting violent videos online.
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Your survey "I like it"/"Nope" -- is not presented well. The question "I like it" can too often be taken to ask whether you liked what you saw. That's not the question. The question is "good show"/"bad show" or "good production"/"bad production".
E.g, "From Russia with Hate". To say "I like it" FEELS like you're asking if you liked what you saw. No. It's creepy. It's horrible. It's tragic. But the truth is, I really appreciated seeing this, and the production by Christof Putzel was well done.
Lanny
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well done christof.
The scenes of the training with the superflous fire was very curious. It looked like a bunch of kids playing solder, unfortunatly these are full grown men. -
the truth is immigrants are using resources that once were used by the residents population. this racist reaction is to the invasion of basic population creeds that immigrants demand respect of their traditions and step all over those of the WHITE Majority. I try to be fair now but why should I pay for those that have no respect for me or by beliefs.
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Immigrants want to survive but why eat off my table.
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Lanny's comment is well taken; we at Current should re-evaluate this language so as to clarify. Thanks.
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- DavidNeuman
- 8 months ago
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I have to agree with Isolator, clicking the "like it" button made me queasy. I too appreciated this information even though the last minute left me with chills of terror. Good work and thank You.
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we have spent a lot of back and forth on wording for this specific reason. sounds like we have more thinking to do... thanks for pointing out.
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So, the "hatchet" fellow says "this is my profession: propaganda" and Dmitri isn''t paying his own way, because it must be pretty hard to show up for work on time when you''re being tailed by the police. Who, then, is paying these guys? The NSO? Where does the NSO get its funding?
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No one is eating off your table dude but you could always feed someone! Blame globalization but not just a guy in the street. Racist people are all over EVERYWHERE not just Russia. Most of them have no skinhead. They work in large offices in the government. This video is gold.
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- usumacinta
- 8 months ago
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This is propaganda folks, it is what social planners call predictive programming. While the young Current staff did an admirable job covering the story, the material was, in part, designed for American audiences...... to get Americans thinking about (and accustomed to) this kind of dispicable behavior, as it is expected at a U.S. street corner near you in the not-to-distant future.
U.S. borders are wide open and illegal immigrants are pouring in, the economy is in a noise dive, well-paid jobs are becoming more scarce with OUR industry moving off-shore. All it will take now is some shock jock or loony politician to drive a wedge between "the people" and instigate this kind of behavior domestically....can you say "Russia Redux?"
Controlling our borders, stoping the North American Union (amalgamation of Canada, US and Mexico), and safeguarding our dollar can help prevent this type of domestic disaster. The choice is yours.-
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- scienceandsociety
- 8 months ago
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Anyone that looks up to Hitler scares the pants off me. Blaming immigrants for the lack of jobs is wrong. Blame the industries that want to save a buck. This pod was very informative. It showed once again how we as humans cannot except eachother and live side by side if there is a skin color difference. I was sickened by the brutal attacks on people because of their skin color. I hope someday we evolve past such hatred and violence. I hope that for my children.
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-Globalization Good,
-Protecting ur homeland Good,
-stabalized immagraion Good,
-education to make jobs in imagrants home land, so they dont have to take our own... Better,
-rather than random violence, just strong debates to and law passings in ur own local goverment ......... thankyou for the new view over russia
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- JollyGreen
- 8 months ago
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I am very disturbed by this pod and really disappointed that now I have such hateful pictures in my memory..THANKS.
The real issue is class not race. It seems to repeat itself throughout history too. Poverty makes people outraged and when they don''t feel heard or see action they do some far out things at times..
What a shame for the Russian people who don''t want to be represented like that. Hate is not something to endorse but to be aware is always a necessary evil.-
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- analyssa33
- 8 months ago
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the rich don''t care about you and i .only about there family and there money...when the people create a government its for the betterment of everyones life .not just the rich. ...i donte realy know whos in power in russia now.but the rich ,like every were else in the world have seperated them selves from the commin man .if the skin heads want to vent they need to finde some of those rich folks to beat on.thats whos leaveing them all to fend for them selves.the money the rich have was made off the backs of the people and with out the people a man can not be rich. slavery never died ,theres just difrent degrees of it...beating up the foreners will never make the problem go away.the rich owners of an industry would spend thousounds of dollers to protect his low wage work force but he will never spend that kinda money giveing them raises to make there life better. its all about the GAP between the rich and poor ..succession!
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There is more than enough for everyone on the planet to live happy, healthy lives. We live in the illusion of scarcity because it makes us better consumers. We need more democracy. We need to believe in the basic goodness of humans.
I love all people. Everything is either love, or crying out for love. We can all be forgiven. We can all find our way home to realizing that we are all earthlings and all interdependent.-
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- gratitudejoy
- 8 months ago
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есть такое в России, но так же и в любой другой стране мира... вероятно такие проявления "любви" к родине были, есть и будут... человек остаеться "человеком" на протяжении многих веков. репортаж нужный! думаем все вместе...
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I really liked the video you made and it was a change from the five minuteish videos that are normally played. I do think that the Russians are brainwashed into following a dead mans belief who disliked Russia and died fighting them.
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Here's the Google Language translation of KnauerA's response. I think it gets the point across, but not gracefully.
there are such in Russia, but also in any other country in the world ... perhaps such manifestations of "love" to be home, and there will be ... people ostaetsya "rights" over many centuries. reportage desired! I think all along ... -
wow, great work Christof, that was one of the most intense and painful videos to watch. I think your point about becoming an unwitting carrier of their message is an important issue and one that journalists should always take into account. Thank you for brining this story to Current, even though it's painful to see such hatred going on in the world.
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- sarahbelle
- 8 months ago
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Speaking to Lanny's point, I rememmber back in the Yahoo/Current days seeing people rate a video 1 star (out of 5) because they thought the person being profiled was dumb (for instance), but from their comments it was clear that they really liked the video.
I agree that the language needs to be clearer.
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WHAT IS A TRADITIONAL SKINHEAD ?
Trojan Skinheads (also known as Traditional Skinheads or Trads) are individuals who identify with the skinhead subculture''s heyday in the late 1960s, when Ska music was at its most popular in the United Kingdom, and there was a heavy emphasis on clothing style. Named after the record label Trojan Records, these skinheads identify with the subculture''s Jamaican Rude Boy and British working class mod roots, (sometimes called the Spirit of 69). In addition to Ska, they are often fans of Rocksteady, early Reggae and soul music. Because of their appreciation of music played by black people, they tend to be non-racist, unlike the later white power faction of skinheads. Trojan skinheads do not recognize the later racists as part of real skinhead subculture, and often refer to them as BONEHEADS.
Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice (SHARP) are anti-racist skinheads who oppose neo-Nazis and other political racists, especially if those racists call themselves skinheads. SHARPs recognize the biracial origins of the skinhead subculture, and resent what they see as the hijacking of the skinhead name by racist extremists. Beyond the issue of anti-racism, there is no official political ideology of SHARP. However, some SHARPs have similar beliefs to politically-minded anti-fascist skinheads such as those in the group RASH (Red and Anarchist Skinheads) and due to their anti-racist ideals, some SHARPs have been involved with groups such as Anti-Fascist Action or Anti-Racist Action. However, this is more based on personal beliefs, instead of directly associated with SHARP.
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NASHIOne of the best pods on Current TV. This is truly powerful work and gives me great hope for the future of our young network.
Also, I recently read an article about a growing government sponsored youth movement called: "NASHI" that is supposed to combat these skinheads and other fascists groups in Russia. I would like to know your take on this initiative, to me it just seems like they are just throwing more fuel into the fire. -
i helped with translating the pod for christof and here's my translation of entry by knauer:
this exists in russia, but also in any other country in the world.. probably such "manifestations of love to motherland" were, are, and will be.. the man remains the "man" for many centuries. this is the necessary pod! we are thinking all together..
for me this has been a very uneasy experience to translate.. it brings feelings of deep shame, sadness and disbelieve how far things have gone.. this was always an issue in russia (not as much during communism), but it is completely out of hand now. sad to see this is what idea of great russian patriotism is reduced to now. also, we (me and generations before me.. maybe not after me..) were brought up with stong anti-war, anti-fascism feelings, there is no family in russia not affected by war. all fascist propaganda was prohibited by law. it obviously got loose now. shameful for the country where millions were killed.. -
It is truely sad to see the promise of youth stripped bare by a master manipulator. Unfortunately, the young and the disinfranchised are always going to be easy pray to someone who uses propaganda for the promise of a better tomorrow. Instead of blaming immigrants and minorities try taking a long pointed look in the mirror.
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I really liked the video you made and it was a change from the five minuteish videos that are normally played. I do think that the Russians are brainwashed into following a dead mans belief who disliked Russia and died fighting them.
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I believe the leader of this misguided mass is an ex-military fanatic. How this group of guerilla nazis has gone on doing these things is outrageous i dont understand why ther russian government doesnt do anything about it.
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Dugg the story. Anyone who diggs should give this one a boost.
Lets try and get Current some more exposure.
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- sushicombo
- 8 months ago
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wow....neo-nazis in russia, what will they think of next...the God''s must be crazy. People never learn till it''s to late.
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- deathstardroid34
- 8 months ago
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Caught Christof Putzel on Nightline talking about this pod last night. This is an upsetting story, but responsible, go-all-the-way journalism makes me really happy. Thanks.
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Christof, Lauren...
in a world in which change comes by the minute...
inclusive of our own back yard...
frailty... identity crisis... worry... uncertainty ...
collective false security via separation embodied with belligerence...
warmongering ego enhancement...
to be adept... undaunted by the ''elements''...
able to pose inquiries to the core ... trading on what they considered ''recognition'' for true vulnerability abhorrent depiction... took a lot of skillful ''grit''...
thank you...-
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- jlondonace
- 8 months ago
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I cried as I watched those poor innocent people beat up and kicked in the head and face for no reason. What a sad state of affairs this is. The fact that there are at least 50,000 people who feel the exact same and are willing to perform such horrific acts scares the crap out of me. I was so unaware that these things were happening in Russia. I know they happen in other places but in Russia? It just goes to show you that people without jobs and money will do anything, however wrong it is. Those men are misdirecting their anger on the weaker people who really can''t retaliate.
Cristof, I was scared for you when you took that dude back to your hotel AND THEN when you went with him to the middle of nowhere....I was tripping out. You are brave. This pod is truly worthy of some type of award....it was well produced and I really appreciate it. Education is the most valuable commodity that we as humans can give ourselves. When we know better, we do better. I hope that someone entertaining the idea of joining a group like this really takes a hard second look and sees how vile this behavior truly is. When the skinhead watching the video was taking such pleasure in others suffering I wished him dead. Someone needs to simply bust a cap in that guys ass. He''s not worth anything as far as I am concerned. -
This is a phenomenal (albeit disturbing) piece... you guys never cease to amaze me and make me proud to work here.
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While the reality embraced in the very well done Neo Nazi Pod "From Russia With Hate" is shocking and repulsive to watch, we must know what is happening in such groups domestically and globally so that we can expose extremism for what it is. Airing this type of social documentary puts citizens of the world on alert, and hopefully in control of our future. We must use the tools we have to create a world where others are informed, educated, protected and led to a better way of life if they choose it. We''ve gotten off track and allowed our leaders to manipulate us through our own ignorance, complacency, and fear. Evil doesn''t work, its based in fear and pain. WWII was the lesson we learned, it shall not be repeated. Rising above fear to build trust a more rewarding world exists and even more awaits. We must continue to teach each other and remain vigilent protectors of freedom. janet
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- southshores
- 8 months ago
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"I know they happen in other places but in Russia?"
you apparently don''t know much about Russia, thousands of people still cry on Stalin''s date of death. Russia is a huge country, Stalin murdered or sent into exile a tremendous amount of educated people in order to manipulate the masses. The leader of these neo-nazis operates on the same basis, on a much smaller scale, but with the same intent. Guaranteed he''d blow anyone away if they showed an ounce of intelligence. -
This people realy don''t know what life is about they leave full of sadness and fear, they don''t belong to this world, and never will. I''m sure if they finally get all those inmigrants out of Russia they will find the excuse harm or kill each other, it is their nature.
The sadest thing is that this people have some support from the goverment.
Manipulation and ignorance.
JC
Check my pod!-
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- alatriste1
- 8 months ago
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Thank you for this video, is it definitely a high quality piece of work. Russia in general and Moscow in particular are getting more and more dangerous, my family in Moscow tell me casually that a few times this year they have heard gunfire outside their apartment building. The biggest problem is the government, although I''m surprised that Dmitriy was afraid of police following him, since I generally have a very low opinion of Russian police.
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My mind cannot even wrap around what was on this pod. I had the wish in my head that it was just fake...that people don''t really feel the need to cleanse their country of any race. I also thought of how I could not do this pod. I couldn''t look at people who thought it was decent and right to kick the living life out of people just because they were not my race. I watch movies and I see humans on the screen and race doesn''t even play a role in my view.
I think you did a great job. I think you handled everything fantastically. =P I believe you should be very proud of your work and that you informed many people of something they most likely would not have known about without your hard work.
