A Man Shot Dead, but No Murder Charge
- added November 1, 2007
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- abbym0308
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Despite the shooting dead at point blank range of an innocent man, no one - neither a person nor organisation - was on trial at the Old Bailey for murder or manslaughter. Jean Charles de Menezes was shot dead by police after being mistaken for a suicide bomber in July 2005. Instead, the police have been charged with failing to protect the public in London.
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Chaos and Confusion...but no murder conviction? I think this is tragic. Just because the gunmen are members of the police force, and part of a botched operation, does not clear them of murdering an innocent man. To me, the lesser charge in this case is an example of the authorities avoiding taking full responsibility for their mistaken actions. What do you think? Is justice served?
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Oh my god, that poor man, and his family! Thats an outrage, and very tragic.
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- Tarapotamus
- 8 months ago
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That's an outrage. It may not be murder, but it's manslaughter and someone needs to be held accountable.
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As one who has had a miscarriage of justice profoundly affect my family, my sympathy goes out to that man's family. Rogue justice systems MUST be held accountable.
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- The_Awesome
- 8 months ago
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He was not innocent. He had an expired visa.
The police told him to stop. He didn't so he was shot.
What the big deal? This is the way police should work.
The guy broke the law, he was not willing to face the consequences, he didn't cooperate so he paid a price.
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Wrong, stardate - he had a visa for an indefinite stay in Great Britain, and he did not break any law. The police never told him to stop, either:
The officers followed de Menezes for 5 minutes as he walked to a bus-stop on Tulse Hill for the Number 2 bus routes. As he boarded a bus, several plainclothes police officers boarded, continuing the pursuit.
At Brixton Station de Menezes briefly got off the bus, saw the station was closed, and reboarded the bus to continue to Stockwell. The three surveillance officers later stated that they were satisfied that they had the correct man, noting that he "had Mongolian eyes". Finally the bus arrived at Stockwell Tube station, 3.3km (2 miles) away.
At some point during this journey, the pursuing officers contacted Gold Command, and reported that de Menezes potentially matched the description of two of the previous day's suspects, including Osman Hussain. Based on this information, Gold Command authorized "code red" tactics, and ordered the surveillance officers to prevent de Menezes from boarding a train. According to a "senior police source at Scotland Yard", Police Commander Cressida Dick told the surveillance team that the man was to be "detained as soon as possible", before entering the station.[8] Gold Command then transferred control of the operation to SO19, which dispatched firearms officers to Stockwell Tube Station.
At some point de Menezes phoned a colleague, Gesio de Avila, saying he would be late due to the disruption of public transport caused by the previous day's attempted bombings.
De Menezes entered the Tube station at about 10:00 a.m., stopping to pick up a free Metro newspaper. He used his Oyster card to pay the fare, walked through the barriers, and descended the escalator slowly. He then ran across the platform to board the newly-arrived train. De Menezes boarded the train and found one of the first available seats.
Three surveillance officers, codenamed Hotel 1, Hotel 3 and Hotel 9, followed de Menezes onto the train. According to Hotel 3, de Menezes sat down with a glass panel to his right about two seats in. Hotel 3 then took a seat on the left with about two or three people between the surveillance officer and de Menezes. When the firearms officers arrived on the platform, Hotel 3 moved to the door, blocked it from closing with their left foot, and shouted 'He's here!' to identify the suspect's location.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Charles_de_Menezes
So, stardate, it is a huge deal.-
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- Vierotchka
- 8 months ago
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What's the big deal?Try reading the articles before you jump to conclusions!
"The operation began when detectives investigating the failed suicide bombings of the day before - 21 July - linked one of the suspects, Hussain Osman, to a block of flats in south London.
Mr de Menezes also lived in the block, and when he left home at 0930 BST, surveillance officers were unsure if he was their target.
Clare Montgomery QC, prosecuting, said the situation had worsened because senior officers failed to keep to their own agreed plan, while firearms teams were both poorly briefed and in the wrong locations.
This meant that it became impossible to effectively stop the suspected suicide bomber before he boarded a bus and headed for the Underground. "
Stardate, I don't know if you've ever been to London, but cops over there don't carry guns. So, this was not standard procedure by any means. -
No justice... but then just take a look at the world we live
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Maybe if the Oman's in England were not preaching hate, and kill the Brits, and maybe if suicide bombs had not just blown up buses, well gee the Islamic community always seems to get a pass, they created the climate, in which this tragic mistake occurred.
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