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Genuine sympathy or Blatant PR Stunt.. cummon peeps; let's have some feedback on this one please..
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  • Operation Iraqi Freedom
    oh my god. these images leave me almost speechless. why don't we see these on the front page of newspapers? are we too sensitive? this one is particularly disturbing to me. wow. what do you think?
    abbym0308
  • Bush doesn't do sympathy nor empathy - they are foreign to his being.
    Vierotchka
  • "I Know First Hand That He Doesn't Support the Troops"
    Iraq Vet - Liam Madden - 'I Know First Hand That He Doesn't Support the Troops'
    PHubb
  • Military Losses, 1980 thru 2007
    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf)

    As tragic as the loss of any member of the US Armed Forces is, consider the following statistics:

    The annual fatalities of military members while actively serving in the armed forces from 1980 through 2006:

    1980 ......... 2,392 (Carter Year)

    1981 .......... 2,380 (Reagan Year)
    1984 .......... 1,999 (Reagan Year
    1988 .......... 1,819 (Reagan Year)

    1989 .......... 1,636 (George H W Year)
    1990 .......... 1,508 (George H W Year)
    1991 .......... 1,787 (George H W Year)
    1992 .......... 1,293 (George H W Year)

    1993 .......... 1,213 (Clinton Year)
    1994 .......... 1,075 (Clinton Year)
    1995 .......... 2,465 (Clinton Year)
    1996 .......... 2,318 (Clinton Year)
    1997 ............. 817 (Clinton Year)
    1998 .......... 2,252 (Clinton Year)
    1999 .......... 1,984 (Clinton Year)
    2000 .......... 1,983 (Clinton Year)

    Clinton years (1993-2000): 14,000 deaths

    2001 ............. 890 (George W Year)
    2002 .......... 1,007 (George W Year)
    2003 .......... 1,410 (George W Year)
    2004 .......... 1,887 (George W Year)
    2005 ............. 919 (George W Year)
    2006.............. 920 (George W Year)
    2007.............. 899 (George W Year)

    George W years (2001-2006): 7,932 deaths

    These figures mean that the loss from the two latest conflicts in the Middle East are LESS than the loss of military personnel during Bill Clinton's presidency; when America wasn't even involved in a war!

    Race in general population:
    European descent (White) ............... 69.12%
    Hispanic ............................................ 12.5%
    Black ................................................. 12.3%
    Asian ................................................... 3.7%
    Native American .................................. 1.0%
    Other .................................................. 2.6%

    Now... here are the fatalities by Race; over the past three years in Iraqi Freedom:
    European descent (white) ................ 74.31%
    Hispanic ........................................... 10.74%
    Black ................................................ 9.67%
    Asian ................................................. 1.81%
    Native American ................................ 1.09%
    Other ................................................ 0.33%

    (These statistics are published by Congressional Research Service, and they may be confirmed by anyone at:

    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf
  • New medical technology has greatly improved the survival rates of seriously wounded soldiers. A great many survive who would not have in the 80s and 90s. Take a look at the disabled list (both physical and PTSD) and it will show the true US human cost of this war. Also war isn't just about US military casualties. OVER ONE MILLION IRAQI'S (most of them civilians) have been killed since the illegal US invasion and occupation of Iraq.
    Dr. Dahlia Wasfi has investigated this and reports:

    Throughout history, the Democrats have presided over more US wars than Republicans.
    Your stats show quite clearly how US foreign policy is basically the same through Republican and Democratic administrations. Like Bush, Clinton is a war criminal as well.
    The Iraq Veterans Against the War held a 'Winter Soldier' hearing this weekend in DC which detailed the horrors of the US occupation of Iraq. www.ivaw.org
    PHubb
  • PHubb,

    Really? 1 Million. War sucks huh? Well, if only we could all just get along. But I guess this just isn't a perfect place we live in. I don't won't to see anybody die for any cause. But I also live in reality. And reality tells me that humans throughout time have wars for many different reasons, wrong or right. Sucks. I know. I wish they didn't happen, but they do. The fact is that militant Islam has been around for centuries, just like militants from other religions and causes. Saddam came out and said he was going to attack America and it's Allies. The USA, along with other Allies, did something about it. But the war protesters would rather see more dead Americans and Allies. Then after that, they would blame everybody but the enemy for the deaths. After all Saddam was just a victim and a bully acting out. He just needed love and understanding. Really. Because there seems to be a great deal of evidence towards how peace / human rights activist (in Columbia, Iraq, China, Saudi Arabia, Venususa, etc) are treated throughout the World by terrorist organisations and hostile governments. They aren't greeted with open arms and love.

    I'd love peace in the World, but reality is that it isn't reality.
  • You have your facts completely wrong.
    1st: Saddam was NOT a threat to the US (or anyone for that matter). The sanctions and 10 years of bombing ("no fly zones") imposed by Clinton had done their job - Iraqi society was already in shambles.
    2nd: Saddam DID NOT attack the US on 9/11 and had no
    banned weapons. The #1 producer, distributor and user of WMDs is the United States.
    3rd: The US invasion and occupation of Iraq is illegal under US and International law - reference the US Constitution - it's perfectly clear.
    It always amazes me how arm chair generals express no empathy for the human victims of war - not realizing or caring about the human consequences.
    One out of five Iraqi's have had a member of their (extended) family killed, wounded, or imprisoned (and tortured) as a result of the US invasion and occupation.
    No matter how you try to spin it, the invasion of Iraq was a war crime and the subsequent occupation a series of ever escalating war crimes.
    PHubb
  • UTHookEmHorns73, Saddam never said he was going to come out and attack the allies, from where did you get such a fanciful idea? The USA attacked illegally, thus committing what is known as the Supreme Crime as per the Geneva Conventions and the Nuremberg Principles - the USA is signatory to both, therefore they are part of the Supreme Law of the Land as per the American constitution. Furthermore, Saddam was trained and financed by the CIA, basically he was a CIA asset who was coddled by the USA until he decided to sell his oil for Euros and not for Dollars.

    PHubb, it was Geroge Herbert Walker Bush who imposed the sanctions on Iraq - Clinton inherited that situation, just as it was George Herbert Walker Bush who sent troops to Somalia, and there again, Clinton inherited that situation too.
    Vierotchka
  • President William Jefferson Clinton signed into law
    The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998. This was the neo-cons
    Iraq agenda - regime change in Iraq. It was the blueprint
    Bush used to invade and occupy that country.
    Clinton also bombed Iraq in the "no fly zones" for 8 years. The sanctions were responsible for the documented (UN report) deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children under the age of ten.
    Saddam's brutality was legendary, but he was at his most brutal when he was shaking Donald Rumsfeld's hand in the 80's under President Reagan. US Policy in Iraq has been bi-partisan and criminal for decades.
    PHubb

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