Shut Up, Chavez

Isn't Chavez the guy they ran out of office and then went and got him back because they didn't know what to do next? He's a nut cake! lol

Chavez is the guy that called Bush 'El Diablo'. That's pretty on point if you ask me or the rest of the planet. And Hugo may indeed have a point about the Spaniards caving to corporations and big business aka FASCISM. Now, we'll see how much honor he has when it comes time for him to step down from his Venezuelan office...

Actually Dawn, Chavez was reinstated as the democratically elected president of Venezuela after the right wing conservative party staged a coup. People took to the streets and there was a national strike, demanding that the president they had elected be reinstated, and so he was after a few days. American involvement was suspected, Colin Powell was in the country when the whole thing happened and America has always opposed Chavez's socialist policies.

That's real democracy. People actually controlling their government.

Well I guess like us they picked a real winner

"That's real democracy. People actually controlling their government."

Actually, Hugo Chavez is shutting down TV stations that refuse to broadcast his propaganda, seizing private property and trying to make himself "el Presidente for life". That's not democracy, that's communism. Next thing you're going to say is that Cuba has democracy.

"That's real democracy. People actually controlling their government."

Actually, Hugo Chavez is shutting down TV stations that refuse to broadcast his propaganda, seizing private property and trying to make himself "el Presidente for life". That's not democracy, that's communism. Next thing you're going to say is that Cuba has democracy.
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Ok, lets see how ashaiba can disprove many of your words.

First, Hugo Chavez "shutting down" tv stations has nothing to with democracy. What Susan B was saying, is how he was elected democratically . Next, if you can give me CREDIBLE proof that Hugo Chavez himself has shutdown TV stations, then I'll accept that argument.

LAST. "That's not democracy, that's communism"
Shutting TV stations, seizing private property, and trying to make someone president for life, isn't communism. How can it be communism, communism is an ideology that seeks to establish a classless, stateless social organization based on common ownership of the means of production.

lol I give it anther 20 year befor war breaks out in south america

President for life is called dictatorship not communism, China has communism which is an ideology that doesn't work well either because it requires honesty and a communal effort, neither work well due to the most corrupting vice of all POWER. Shutting down TV stations does have something to do with dictatorship, which would imply an adgenda not related to democracy, but you actually do not have to do that to control the people. You can still have your "democracy" and allow people to think they live under one, Just have your buddies buy the news outlets and give your citizens only a small choice of what they see and hear, I believe we may have that problem right here in the good ole USA, You cannot believe that if American involvement was suspected that we know what that REALLY means any more, just maybe some crony of Bush or Bush/Cheney themselves saw an opportunity to line their pocket for the moment or maybe it was in the adminstrations best interest to find Chavez and re instate him as long as they ould use him, who knows, our press certainly won't tell. We are the most lied to society there is.The problem with our administration is that everything they do is for now, and themselves. Trading our future for their immediate bank balance. Of course if the people of Argentina want Mr Chavez then let them have him. He is no different than Bush, actually Bush and Chavez have more in common thsn not, just a different method of being a self serving power monger. I seem to remember Bush "won" twice and not by my vote. So I feel sorry for the Argentinian people they are basically in the same bed we are.

ashaiba, maybe you should put down your Communist Manifesto long enough to read a newspaper or learn how to Google. Since you're probably busy burning the American flag, I did the work for you:

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2007/05/22/venezu15986.htm

This is a link to a page on Human Rights Watch. Surely a commie apologist like you doesn't have a problem with Human Rights Watch.

I find it incredibly revealing that you have no problem with Hugo Chavez shutting down TV stations that refuse to broadcast his propaganda, seizing private property and trying to make himself "el Presidente for life".

Dawn11:
Of course if the people of Argentina want Mr Chavez then let them have him.

Hugo Chavez is "el Presidente for life" of Venezuela not Argentina. At least for now. Does Argentina have any private property worth seizing?

ashaiba, maybe you should put down your Communist Manifesto long enough to read a newspaper or learn how to Google. Since you're probably busy burning the American flag, I did the work for you:

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2007/05/22/venezu15986.htm

This is a link to a page on Human Rights Watch. Surely a commie apologist like you doesn't have a problem with Human Rights Watch.

I find it incredibly revealing that you have no problem with Hugo Chavez shutting down TV stations that refuse to broadcast his propaganda, seizing private property and trying to make himself "el Presidente for life".

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Ok, you got me credible source. but why would you call me a communist for revealing your silly mistakes on current? and burning the American flag???
what is wrong with you.
i simply held an opinion, and gave facts, and you go and assume shit.

But before this arguement ends, stop attacking another country for censorship, this country has had much censorship(usa). fix your countries problems before you fix others

ashaiba
"revealing your silly mistakes on current?"

Exactly what mistakes did I make? You are the one that made the statement that Hugo Chavez aka "el Presidente for life" never shut down any TV station. You my commie friend are the one making "silly mistakes".

Exactly what facts have you ever presented that you didn't make up?

Quick summary of the documentary posted, "The Revolution will not be Televised", and Chavez himself. Chavez won in a landslide popular victory on the ticket of the poor people and the redistribution of wealth in the country. Ever since he won the countries elite, that own the majority of the news stations, have been putting out propaganda against him because they lost power when he was elected. He took back the countries resources from the private sector which were primarily owned by U.S. Corperations. So the elite staged a coop with the cooperation of the military generals. Roomers were that the coop was backed by the U.S. But when the generals found out what really happened they turned on the elite and they sided with the people who were protesting in the streets for 3 days.
But i insist watch the film and do some research before you blab.

Juano personal attacks wont make anymore more informed. Plus if you read his post he said if you showed a source he would acknowledge that he did shut down the stations.

SusanB, Dflo & mrtodd724:

Maybe you should play that propaganda film for these people:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3yRyp5qj68

This is a clip from Al Jazeera (hardly a supporter of freedom or democracy) that depicts the goon squads of Hugo Chavez opening fire on a group of peaceful demonstrators.

Maybe you are the ones that need to educate yourself about the realities of a brutal totalitarian dictatorship and stop defending them.

Too bad the people of Venezuela do not have the same freedoms as you do to speak out about their government.

Venezuela is a "Workers Paradise", spread the word. Let the free government handouts begin!

Do you need help packing?

"Too bad the people of Venezuela do not have the same freedoms as you do to speak out about their government."

Juano, my point was that it was exactly these freedoms you speak of here, nationwide protest, that did in fact cause Chavez to be rightfully reinstated.

No amount of protest against this current American government has caused any changes to occur.

Q.E.D.

Juano

"Al Jazeera (hardly a supporter of freedom or democracy)"?

I'm not going to argue with you...
You don't know what you're talking about...

Al Jazeera is probably one of the most independent news outlets available out there.

I'd say it supports freedom and democracy more than any other American channel... Their difference, is that they DONT support ONLY American freedom and democracy...

As for the protests in Venezuela. THESE students (they're not all students) are protesting against the referendum... For Christ sake!!! Protest against a REFERENDUM? Just go and vote NO! Or make a campaign for a NO...

That's democracy, man...

The problem, is that that democracy is not good for US, Europe, and Latin American's oligarchs interests...

Chavez should also have subtitles when Zapatero is talking. I know there is not room in the frame but he is saying something important too.

I don't know why people defend him. His body language reeks of gross misconduct.

I can't believe people fall for the "kind" act. You can fake being kind you cannot fake being good.

He is not...under any circumstances a GOOD person. He does everything he expects everyone not to do to him. He lacks coherence in his own rules.

He's smart because he's fooling enough people to get away with how he acts.

Hugo will go down in history as the first South American in many years to be a darling of western media. Heck, we even created a t-shirt to commemorate the incident... www.NeighborHoodlems.com

Next, if you can give me CREDIBLE proof that Hugo Chavez himself has shutdown TV stations, then I'll accept that argument.

I never denied that he did it, i am just asking for you to give me proof that he did. and i my facts were me telling you what the difference between communism and dictatorship is. there not the same

When people use the term "creditable" in a debate they really mean---give me proof that will convince me but please know that NOTHING will convince me of anything other than what I believe right now."

Creditable is a funny word...it's tossed around as much as open minded and political correctness.

I agree with Dflo, notice how in the video the police were OUTSIDE the school? The pro Chavez supporters in Venezuela were fired upon by snipers (most likly CIA) to incite a riot in the "propaganda" video Susan and I had referred to. So when the protesters started shooting back at the sniper position the Right wing media had said the Chavez supporters were shooting at the other rally members. The men firing at the students were on dirt bikes that had police written on them, yes. But that is the only information we know. The Gov forces weren't allowed on the campus.

That just sounds crazy.

Mulcahey,

good point.

And, it's not that RCTV committed a few illegal acts. It committed a crime, by instigating and supporting a coup.

And yes... Chavez waited until the contract was finished to not renew it.

haha pwned
i'm glad politicians are mature enough to let others talk and be polite. they're both stupid for that

Mulcahey:

The link you posted is a page on a Marxist website. Hardly an unbiased source. Try going to a site with a little more credibility:

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2007/05/22/venezu15986.htm

Allow me to quote:
"President Hugo Chávez is misusing the state's regulatory authority to punish a media outlet for its criticism of the government. The move to shut down RCTV is a serious blow to freedom of expression in Venezuela."
José Miguel Vivanco,
Americas director at Human Rights Watch.

Nice going trying to rewrite history. You should write for the Propaganda Department of Hugo Chavez, maybe you already do.

Please put in a little more effort and try to find better sources before you hit the "send" button. Otherwise you just come across as a "useful idiot".

President Chavez may have been elected, subject to a recall which he won and re-elected, but can we still say that he speaks for the Venezuelan people when his government has done everything possible to shut down media outlets which even question his decisions. You cannot have a democracy without debate. Just like we did not have a true democracy in the US from September 11, 2001 until the lead in to the 2006 elections. The media here chose not to subject the president to serious questioning, while the media in Venezuela is currently not allowed to subject President Chavez to serious questioning. We shall see what heppens at the end of his term. The left should be wary of him. He is unpredictable and if he should take a more dictatorial turn at the end of his term, we need to not allow the conservative movement in this country to use it againt us in debating foreign policy.

... wow current edited out the best part with Jose Luis Zapatero giving him a spanking of a guilt trip, and edited in the least important part with Chavez making yet another quote... that adds to his list of 293845764857645263756273649 quotes... wow.
This is horrible.
The King of Spain is my bro.

well, I myself couldn't agree more with Chavez on Bush...personally I don't believe neither in God nor devil, but to get to the devil as close as one can get, at least in description and acts, yes, most certain, that makes GW Bush...there is no difference between germany acting toward Poland in '39 and the U.S. of what they are doing with Iraq...
same time I am annoyed with Chavez and his quest for controlling Venezuela forever.. I grew up in Yugoslavia and one thing I learned for sure...fascists or communists , they r pretty much the same when it comes to being greedy for timely unconditional power and ruling...I would love to see someone less agressive handling Venezuela.... and about ruling the U.S.. dude... jenna jameson would do better then Bush