Liberal Fascism

Here is an interesting excerpt from the full interview in Salon.com: "The vision of the Huxleyian 'Brave New World' future is one where everyone's happy. No one's being oppressed, people are walking around chewing hormonal gum, they're having everything done for them, they're being nannied almost into nonexistence. That's the fascism in Hillary Clinton's vision." -- and there you have it! How does a Conservative define fascism? Simpley put a Conservative views ANY minimal government standard as -- how did he put it? -- suffocating, intolerable, oppressive fascism. The vast majority of mainstrean middle-Americans view government standards as a good thing. When the government sets a standard for industrial pollution to prevent an unacceptable amount of cancer causing toxic industrial waste in our drinking water -- we're happy! When the government sets a minimum standard for worker safety, we're thrilled! When the government sets a minimum standard of excellence for the beef and pork that we eat (meaning you cannot legally be sold pork covered in e.coli or cancerous tumors) -- we're elated! See, the trick here is that Conseravtives want to get away with something. They HATE standards of excellence because they are, to be blunt, extremely lazy and selfish. Yes, it's easier to use slaves and 3rd world child labor instead of professional labor. Yes, it's easier to sell pork contaimnated with e.coli or cancerous tumors in it then pristine healthy pork. And, yes, it is easier and cheaper to simply dump 50 million metric tons of pig manure into a fresh water stream than it is to properly dispose of the waste in a safe manner. Oh, but how our Conservative brothers and sisters hate this....this....unacceptable level of tyranny! Thank goodness the Progressives have always been able to defeat the conservatives and maintain our standard of living. And what about the mythical "nanny state" the Conservatives refer to endlessly? What exactly is that? Well simply put Conservatives believe that bad things can only happen to "evil" people. If you are struggling to pay your bills then quite simply (in a Conservatives mind) the reason is because you are either lazy, crazy or stupid. You must (no exceptions) be a drug addict or a child rapist or suffer from some nondescript personality defect. This is why they have an intense (almost frightening!) hatred for welfare assistance. To a Conservative all poor people are evil -- which is why they are poor! And what greater insult could their be than to tax someone who works hard and is moral (Conservatives) and simply "waste" that money by giving it to a lazy, minority drug addict! In the Conservatives world there are no honorable, decent or moral working class families. Oh, yes, they will pay lip service that they exist in public -- but in reality they believe ALL working poor are evil. And deserve to suffer. Again, thank goodness this is an extreme minority opinion here in the States (though an over-represented one on FOX News). Thoughs kinds of people will always exist in any society -- luckily the Progressives will always be there to keep them in check. We've kicked their ass for the last 100 years here in America (goodbye Child Labor and legalized "strike-breakers") and we'll do it for another 100!

I hate that man, but then again I am a liberal and, thus, must be inherently evil. How could anyone consider the Nazis--the Nazis!--to be even *remotely* progressive? The whole faulty premise of Goldberg's book is based on one Nazi principle: the greater the lie, the stronger the myth (Proving a false negative is impossible and he knows that).

Conservatism--its political mindset--is to blame for our foreign and domestic policy crises. Nothing best encapsulates that than the radical Bush administration, which is the inevitable result of the Reagan Revolution.

I'll have to read the book. Very provocative.

Great that you brought this to our attention.
Thank you.
I am getting tired of being called names....and here's a new one ...great.

I cannot develop a true opinion of the book since I have not read it, but, as a liberal, I find it hard to believe that I am a fascist-incarnate.

mussolini said facism is the same as corporatism. therefore the dems and the gop are facists. neither party represents the working class, they represent the corporations. the democratic majority congress passed h.r. 1955 which strips us of freedom of speech, thought, so on and so forth. bill clinton put the last nail in the coffin of roosevelt's new deal. i don't know what makes a person a liberal, because hillary clinton a pretty darn conservative to me. when it comes down to it both parties suck, and they are cut from the same cloth; two sides of the same coin. in voting for either party the working class is voting against their best interest. the dems and the gop represent the elites. when was the last time we elected a poor person president? we are only given choices from the elite. until there is a viable third party nothing will change. i hate the dems and the gop, and i see no difference between them.

JasonMorgan, I could not agree with you more. I have been saying for a long time now that D & R are two sides of the same coin.

Thank you all for you insights.

Franco, the ultimate fascist, sought to "conserve" the power of the monarchy and the Catholic Church while the Republicans sought to "liberate" Spain from the oppression and tyrany of both. Fronco was supported financially and militarily by Hitler and Mussolini while the Republicans were supported by Stalin and the communists. If fascism is indeed a liberal left-wing movement then it's arch enemy, communism, must be a conservative, right-wing movement, in which case Coulter, Hannity, O'Reilly, Savage, Limbaugh, etc. are all communists. The question is, can Goldberg really be that stupid...or does he simply know his audience so well that he can call black white, and vice versa, and not worry about being challenged? I suspect both are true. If you want to understand fascism, read Naomi Wolf's new book, The End of America, and remember the warning of Sinclair Lewis; "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross".

If to the extreme, liberals would be communists, not fascists.

You can always tell the intellect of someone when they willy-nilly compare a group to nazis.

I heard him on C-Span last night and I couldn't stop screaming at the TV. He totally overlooks Marine General Smedley Butler and the attempted coups we had in 1932. Things were -different- 80 years ago, there was a big putsch by investors, owners, and middle-class workers against a social welfare platform that FDR was recommending early in his term.

Above all this fray it was Butler's own conscience that had shifted away from his self-admitted "gangster of capitalism" that he acknowledged he had become to give up the conspirators and bring justice to light. But, not after thousands of Panamanians, Cubans, Puerto Ricans and Filipinos were suppressed violently by the U.S.'s early attempts at imperialism. T'was but a shocking decade to be a leftist or rightist.

I doubt anybody above has read one page of this fascinating book.

Conservatives are not saying they are against government standards for meat and job safety, etc. But when government tells you if you can smoke, eat trans fats, how to raise your child, etc., then it is getting fascistic. Hillary Clinton said in her book "It takes A Village" that "every child is born into crisis" and that the government needs to be the ultimate arbiter of how YOU will raise your child and if you don't do it their way the government will take you little boy or girl away. Not just for physical abuse but in many cases philosophic reasons.

The New Republic, the bible of Liberal thought, was smitten with Mousilini during the 1920's and also with Hitler before he started throwing people into ovens. Liberals, during the 20's and 30's, admired how the Nazis (the National SOCIALIST Party) were able to get things done with the melding of industry and government. They editorialized rhapsodic over how Mousilini was able to pull together the disorganized Italian state.

Woodrow Wilson, great liberal icon that he was, who campaigned on keeping us out of the "European War," drove through the sedition acts and presided over the Palmer raids. He was the only president, other than Lincoln up to that time, to instate a draft.

Fascism, in practice, before WWII was very similar to the way government was administered in the Soviet Union. Fascism is Socialism with a statist philosophy. Communism is Socialism with a global philosophy.

During the depression FDR's picture was everywhere like Big Brother watching over you.

Fascism is simply the idea that the government knows best and must do everything for the populace. Liberals are for BIG government. The bigger the better.

The problem with Liberals today is that they are so full of bile and resentment. They throw around the term "Fascist" simply to squelch people they don't agree with. If they can't argue a topic on its merits they simply call you a fascist or "gun nut," "redneck" or something else dismissive.

Too many liberals see conservatives as evil which is to say that half of the presidents in the history of the US were evil.

Oh, and like conservatives aren't full of vile and resentment?

Isn't fascism defined as a militaristic, corporate driven and "considers the individual subordinate to the interests of the state, party or society as a whole".?

Here's Mussolini on fascism:

"Anti-individualistic, the fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only insofar as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal will of man as a historic entity.... The fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value.... Fascism is therefore opposed to that form of democracy which equates a nation to the majority, lowering it to the level of the largest number.... We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right', a Fascist century. If the nineteenth century was the century of the individual we are free to believe that this is the 'collective' century, and therefore the century of the State"

Based on your first sentence, hotdogwheel, I'm going to assume you think that Mussolini quote is some kind of indictment against the right.

And I think you'd be correct, but it's important to note that the left thinks exactly the same way. The modern left and right divide us and squabble over technicalities on the same policy.

McCain would stay in Iraq for 1,000 years, Obama wants out ASAP. Sounds like they're at opposite ends of something. But their fundamental beliefs about the American government's role in the universe do not differ at all. They both believe in using the power of the State to solve society's ills. Whether they know it or not they have succumbed to the same belief system that Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin and FDR subscribed to: that the agenda of the collective supersedes the importance of the sanctity of the individual and the individual's human rights.

The Republicans and Democrats are not conservatives or liberals anymore. They are collectivists and enemies of freedom.

American is WE THE PEOPLE.

We also have the Right of FREE SPEECH.

ANYONE who takes the time to VOTE is simply attempting to be a GOOD AMERICAN in my view even if I do not agree with their viewpoint with regard to the leadership of this GREAT NATION.

NAZI: contraction of

Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei

National Socialist German Workers Party

An offshoot of German Socialism