NEED 2 BE AWARE!!!

This tin-foil hat crap is strung together more loosely than most of the Google Video 9/11 flicks. So far, Zeitgeist dismisses Christianity as another mundanely unoriginal and largely redundant astrological allegory for the same sun-worship that has gone on for time immemorial. It pumps all the most familiar 9/11 inside-job conspiracies. And, it denounces the Federal Reserve as a sneaky collaborative racket born of the corporate greed and ambition of bankers and industrialists, seriously requiring a RICO investigation. But, the movie never establishes a clear conspiratorial connection of the three topics. There is a lot of evidence that points to corruption the elusive "they" are trying to hide from the public, but nothing beyond conjecture ever connects the three main topics of religion, terrorism, and the abandonment of the gold standard to the undefined "monstrous myth." This movie acrimoniously rattles on, never making a clear point or resolving any of the discussed controversies.

This is the second time I watched this video. I do not want to go to far as to tell people what really is going on but I am just going to leave you with these simple words. Something in this video is Yes, something in this video is not. The producers of this video are mixing things up and playing with coincidences. I would give them a little more credit if they wisely had not mix up something they truthfully do not know about it. You see I am compelled to tell you more, but I am just going to leave you with a friendly warning for you to be very, very careful to jump into this interpretation.

I didn't say it was all fact...but I do know some is FACT!!! Like the whole haveing 2 pay taxes...it's proven we don't have 2...we NEVER did...they just didn't want us 2 know the truth....I do believe there r some things that they are right about...'cause some of the things the media says just don't add up...and well the government likes 2 keep secrets...so it does make sense....

*Pure TRUTH*True PEACE*Total LOVE*

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L8tr,

I think that there is plenty of clear direction in the film. For one thing it stresses that the greatest power to be had from the universal "higher power" (if that is what you want to call god or supreme being or force, whatever) is in the now. It states that all of these myths, Money, Religion, Politics are all beasts in their own right and they have acquired their power through the myth, but ultimately it is fear of the consequences of the myth that keep the people who believe in the myth to continue to give away their individual and personal power to the keepers and protectors of the myth. Fear is the mind killer that keeps the myth going and causes the people to act like sheep.

If we were able to completely let go of fear, and not live in with our minds constantly dwelling in the past or worrying about the future; if we can completely dwell in the now, we would experience extraordinary and fantastic synchronicity with the "higher power" or universe etc. Unlimited knowledge, power and life energy would become available to us. The myths that are being broadcast and supported by the civilization are a constant distraction that keeps us prisoners of the myth; even though we ourselves as individuals are aware of the lies and the distortion of reality; we ourselves cannot yet escape the effects of the myth completely.

However it is my experience that the longer we focus our mental capacity and direct it to overcome the fear and the constant preoccupation with the past and future that reality begins to change on an individual basis, then it creeps into the collective, and finally the end result should be something akin to the 100th monkey principle, that once enough minds are on the same page, then a more radical transformation of reality occurs in which the whole perceived reality begins to shift and flow in the direction of the new reality.

Quantum physics has revealed that an electron is both a particle and a wave, and that an electron can be observed in two places at the same time and that the act of observing an electron affects its position and state: wave or particle. These mysteries of cosmic reality infer that mind has much to do with the creation of reality, because electrons become particles when they are observed by a mind, while they are only waves when they are not being observed.

Basically this sounds like hocus pocus but it really does mean that magic is possible, that it is possible to transform reality in a way that appears to be like magic to the observer, but in fact is a quantum mechanical operation that can be explained with a mathematical equation.

Remember truth cannot be taught, it must be experienced to be believed. The point of the film, besides breaking our awareness wide open to see the world in a new way, is to make us aware of the incredible power that we are missing because we are believers of the myth, and everything we do and say revolves around the myth. The technical details are really irrelevant because we all see things differently because we are all individuals, but the collective reality is what we are trying to change and that means we need to align ourselves with like minded individuals who are speaking and caring about exposing the myth and helping others to come out of the darkness and into the light of their own understandings.

I think that everyone who has posted on this website are people who speak and care about exposing the myths everywhere. What are myths but lies; and we know perhaps better than most people that there are many powerful lies being peddled as truth on the airwaves. That is why we are here on Current, to boldly go where many journalists fear to tread.

Keep it going everybody. We can do it. We can bust this nut.

In general what you are saying seems "ok" and I can agree with you about getting free from your fears in order to reach our "personal higher power." You might do not know but true Judaism, Buddhism, Christianity and many other forms of religion does teach that. Like I said, in general what you are saying, it seems to be "ok" but in the personal level and in the details you are missing many things as you are not stating how you are going to give each individual the "personal blue print" to achieve this personal higher power. Religion by itself is not it and I can agree with many on that but I personally believe that Religion can aid one individual to find himself and to empower oneself through his life. I personally do not blame any Religion for my personal bad fade or the World bad fade as a manner of fact because I know individuals have the tendency to pick up something and misinterpret issues before they can even understand fully about it. Nuclear power can be seen as a bad thing to many even though many have not take the time to learn in depth about it. So in few words is not the thing (GOD, Religion and so forth) that is bad but what people do with the thing (GOD, Religion and so forth) that end up to be questionable and for that matter many individuals are so boasted and arrogant that they can not even admit that was them that was wrong to begin with it. So if something is wrong with me because I can not interpret things or I can not find the "Spirit" of it, let me blame my Religion, or what I perceive to be GOD and so forth. I respect "George Carlin" as a performer and comedian and he can tell us many "truths" while being very funny doing it, but like all genius human beings he also made a big mistake when he lay-out what he perceive as God or Religion to the point of mistaking and be confused between the "Spiritual GOD" and the "Living GOD." Oh! there it goes, I bet you did know that right? Well, I did laugh because of his "confusion" and because he made a "fool" of himself. However other less informed individual will blindly go for that without questioning it. I do not need to defend GOD here because GOD does not need my defense but I feel that many people miss the boat when comes to understand Who, or What is GOD or the role of Religion in their lives. However we can not deny that many took Religion and GOD in a wrong way and used it to Control the mass population for their own gains. Even with all that, however do not forget that "Religion as bad as we know it" has been giving and still giving support for the poor and disadvantaged around the World far greater than You, Me or any Government or group of Academics all together. Do you still think you know about this matters before you make your judgment? I friendly suggest to everyone to go back to "the Books" and learn a little bit more about it before attempt to destroy something so precious.

Stopnoise,
I have studied the bible extensively. I have taken several comparative religion courses. I am familiar with most of the major religions of the world. In my studies and personal spiritual path of discovery I have learned much about both the doctrine and the history of those religions. Perhaps I didn't get to experience all the cultural manifestations of these religions, but I did learn what they were in principle.

In my personal quest I believe that I am prepared to make the judgment for myself and to accept that no religion or man or piece of paper is going to reveal what or who God is to me. I respect and acknowledge the moral lessons that were present in the writings but I do not accept them as the "word of god". I do believe that all writings are inspired of god, because I believe that we are all a part of god; collectively, but I can pick and choose which of the writings I identify with and which of the writings I don't agree with.

In the end I have ended up with a patchwork quilt of ideas and beliefs; however, I make all my beliefs and ideas subject to reinterpretation at any moment in time. I give myself permission to change my point of view in the light of new information. In this way I feel that my path is evolving as I grow and learn more and more. Everyday something new is revealed or I learn things that I know to be true.

As for your statement about "moral blueprints", this is what sheep want because of their fear. Religion and sacred writings have their place in initially illuminating the mind about morality however they are not meant to be used as a "script" in the way that an actor uses a script. They are meant to be guidelines upon which you can build a future. The trap of the myth is that when we accept the writings as absolute truth and try to enforce them upon others through shame or punishment; then we become slaves of those who have given us the interpretation of the writings. It is our job to interpret the writings for ourselves and not to "follow" like sheep.

The blueprint is simply this, make the pursuit of your higher power the paramount pursuit in your life, and treat others as you would like to be treated. This is what Jesus said contained all the law and the prophets in two simple commands. This is a very simple code to follow, then you can ad to this the principle of unity or in scientific terms "the quantum singularity" and you will realize that anything you do to others you actually do to yourself, because we are all things and all things are us, because ultimately there exists one singularity that we are all interconnected and not separate. We are all one. We learn that the universe already has a built in feedback loop. We reap what we sow is the old cliche that informs us of the scientific principle; for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Freedom comes when we learn the moral codes, test them out, and then live them because we want to and not because we have to. We do it because we make the choice to do it not because we are under threat of punishment or pain. This is why I said that truth is something that cannot be taught, it must be experienced.

Zeitgeist is, to me, a tool to form paranoia. Whether or not all of it is true, it's good to suspect conspiracy. Just moderate it. Doubt it all.
I'm sorry; stopnoise, jubal, I'd offer my two cents, but for the life of me, I can't concentrate enought to read it all! I'm sure it's profound, for what it's worth. Maybe later.

Stopnoise & jubal...I must say it is a treat 2 hear boths perspective view points...I agree w/ some of each...but Jubal you stated things that I say often such as:
"anything you do to others you actually do to yourself, because we are all things and all things are us, because ultimately there exists one singularity that we are all interconnected and not separate. We are all one. We learn that the universe already has a built in feedback loop. We reap what we sow is the old cliche that informs us of the scientific principle; for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Freedom comes when we learn the moral codes, test them out, and then live them because we want to and not because we have to. We do it because we make the choice to do it not because we are under threat of punishment or pain. This is why I said that truth is something that cannot be taught, it must be experienced".........Good 2 know I'm not the only one who can c this...And Stopnoise I agree w/ this: "Religion by itself is not it(all that's needed) and I can agree with many on that but I personally believe that Religion can aid one individual to find himself and to empower oneself through his life. I do not need to defend GOD here because GOD does not need my defense but I feel that many people miss the boat when comes to understand Who, or What is GOD or the role of Religion in their lives. However we can not deny that many took Religion and GOD in a wrong way and used it to Control the mass population for their own gains."...You both c truth...And I thank you very much 4 helping me c further in2 perspectives....I hope 2 hear more...*Pure TRUTH*True PEACE*Total LOVE/UNDERSTANDING*

I'm glad you posted this, Angelique...I actually find myself thinking about this film and its implications a lot. Aside from what was already said about religion and what Angelique summarized above, I'd be interested to hear what people think about the technique of the film.

First, I will say understanding all perspectives is the most important thing we can do as world citizens. And while I do in fact believe that this film does contain some amount of truth, I find it incredibly discomforting when I come across people who accept it completely as is (I don't believe anybody on this board has done so...but I've come across it on foot).

Regardless, one of the things that bothers me about this film is how propagandic it is in nature. Does anybody think about that? For example, it begins with it's trance-like meditation and goes to warfare prior to discussing how we've been lied to by religion. Who is the audience? It can't be the world because it's affirming one person's perspective against another's
. I'm all for conspiracy theories; I think this film is important in that despite the fact we can't always prove everything, it's important to see things outside the box in hopes of uncovering the truth or recognizing trends in order to stop false truths in the future.

I digress...simply put, there is a lulling and meditative voice, warping/dramatic music and one-sided imagery focused against the Western world but mostly America. To top it all off, it solely attacks Christianity as if it were the only religion in the world and only breaks it down with ancient religions. In it's conversation of light and dark, it didn't bring up Zoroastrianism (eastern) which, if memory serves me, predates all documented religions in it's discussion of light/dark, good/evil.

Unfortunately, I find the film more polarizing than revealing. One only has to look up at the message board to see that the conversation focuses more on religion than what the film should be about...control. This is nobody's fault but the producers who have used tried and true methods to convince people one way or another (or simply confuse the viewer). 96thdayofrage...it's about institutions and control. Unfortunately, the one-sidedness of the sequences and their subsequent juxtaposition destroys the message. Christianity is not America's fault, and this film should have examined all of world history rather than one religion and one country. Why is this a study in Christianity and not other religions? Why doesn't the website provide subtitles for all countries of the world...why just Western countries?

Zeitgeist means spirit of the time/generation...nothing in this film is new...this has been happening throughout the history of mankind in every country in every age of greatness. Unfortunately, we can't trust to know all the truths through "books" like Stopnoise suggested as those have been screened by institutions since the advent of the institution: the dawn of man, power, religion...so on and so forth.

Anyways, I enjoyed reading everybody's responses. Thanks for the opportunity to discuss, Angelique.

I couldn't agree more on the nature of the film, Chris. There's something suspect about the lack of citations. Several people I know have taken up the movie as the sort of dogmatic absolute that it opposes. It definitely is propaganda, but sometimes that can be good. I've never taken to hitching up to conspiracy theories. It always seems like the people presenting them are lunatics, you know? It always comes off as unfounded nonsense. Like the 9/11 conspiracy guy who always hangs out downtown. Zeitgeist was definitely more concrete than him, though. I have reason to believe it, if no more than resent for the current administration, and the sensible rationale. Zeitgeist takes a very legal method; it proves to the best of its ability. It does seem, though, to overwhelm with little secrets that could easily be coincidental, but altogether, it is massively convincing. I'm sold on the majority of the conspiracies.I was equally baffled that it left out the Zoroastrians. The religion section was one of the most intriguing. I'm reasonably versed in it from reading Dawkins, Harris, and others, but Zeitgeist presented it in a very new media. I accept that there is somewhat of a time limitation, but it deserved more coverage. The issues in that section, though baffle me even more. This is less hidden than the latter two sections. The info on religion is right under our noses. How people ignore it is beside me. The polarity, as you so eloquently said, is an unfortunate tool. I find that much of my appreciation for the film stems from my ideology. I am an American liberal/independent atheist . This film seems to be just for me. I wish it were more objective, definitely. The producers, etc. were blinded by their own sway. It comes off as quite close-minded. It is absolutely western. It focuses on Christianity as an American institution, when it should focus more on religion as a world institution. It also fails to provide a comparison between the Abrahamic religion it covers, and the contemplative religions. It seems to endorse the idea that religion is one big lie. Clarification is in order. Of course, I had the same interpretation as you. I viewed it not for the subtle intricacies, but for the overall message of opposition to the blanket of control. Religion is under close wraps from those who created it. Same for our government. This film advocates removing the elite of the self-proclaimed authority they hold. I hate how these things have been revealed, yet our government continues to withhold so much. It is vastly reminiscent of King George III. George II is imposing taxes, regulations, limitations, and restrictions in the same vein. The difference is that with the colonies, people were ready to rebel. Now our stale resent of the government hinders us from doing anything. It is far easier to sit on our asses and remain ignorant of the oppression that has befallen us. I continue to agree with you Chris, until the end. The bit about books. I can see where you're coming from, but you are a little off (in my opinion). Yes, the majority of literature has been closely monitored to remove radical messages, but dig deep. A surprising amount is unearthed when you search. From the enlightenment philosophers and their societal bouts, to the classical Greek & Roman Historians and their political commentary. Rebellion is in the hearts and minds of everyone, but it is also in books. When my mother was a child, she asked my grandfather this question: "Why are all these books on the Catholic index?" His response: "I guess you'll have to read them and find out!"

I keep learning so much...thank you for your perspective words...they give me understanding and wisdom of TRUTH....I hope that I hear more...'cause I am so curious as 2 what all perspectives are....

Then seemly like everyone here is going back to my first posting when I said:
"You see I am compelled to tell you more, but I am just going to leave you with a friendly warning for you to be very, very careful to jump into this interpretation."

This movie is in my views an attempt to destroy values of our Civilization without really know first the true meaning of these values. It could even being produced by "terrorists," some "religious group" or even some "academic" group of individuals jealous of the Power of Religion Today. Nothing new really, "Many groups" have successively been trying to blame "Religion" as the source of the problem when in reality could be the other way around.

Chris_Whitman,
I had a few thoughts as I was reading your post. You mention the propagandic nature of the film. I was thinking that perhaps they did that deliberately because they wanted it to spark the interest of the viewer. If the film was made to be all love and roses, perhaps the average viewer would have been bored with it or simply disinterested. Have you noticed how many of the movies and documentaries say on History Channel or Discovery even, they have that sort of serious tone with graphics and sort of propaganda feel. I am thinking about programs that talk about UFO?s or NAZI occult involvement (these are a couple that come to mind).

I don?t know if you are aware that the creators of the film challenge the viewer on the website not to take the film as truth like it were a blueprint or a script with the truth listed like 10 commandments, they say that the film should be used as a tool to increase awareness and understanding. They stress that truth cannot be taught it must be experienced.

As for the why only Christianity and not other religions, I think that they are focusing on what would be considered the offspring of the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, essentially to try to make the point that even though we now call our Western World by names such as Great Britain, The European Union, and United States of America, essentially these forms of government and their underlying religious beliefs are predominantly Roman and Christian. The fact that the person who was Jesus and his teachings have been coopted, interpreted and even changed such that what is practiced and taught today has very little correlation to the original words or intent of the original Jesus is practically lost.

One other thing you should look into is the Christians United for Israel and their agenda, there are some interesting links on this site to interviews with a Rabbi and a Christian Minister who discuss these people actively trying to bring on their interpretation of the bible Armageddon. These people are often referred to as Dominionists; which is a name they hate. However, they are reconstructionists and they follow the theology established by Darby (founder of the 7th day Adventists) when he created the concept of the Rapture that is followed by many evangelical groups today.

Many of these fanatical evangelicals that are actively trying to bring on the Armageddon are now in the halls of our government and that is the absolute scary part of this film; its that they actually believe the world is 12000 years old and that there is going to be a new earth and they are going to be in charge of it. They don?t care about this world because their religion tells them that this one is going to pass away, so who cares about ecology and the environment.

Just stuff to think about and some areas of additional research; please accept my thanks for presenting a critical point of view and challenging the ideas in the film We all need to have more critical minds to deal with the continuing Zeitgeist.

Stopnoise,
I respectfully disagree with you.

Judeo-Christian-Muslim trinity is the biggest problem our world faces. This is a family fued that goes back to the beginning of recorded history; at least the bible as recorded history with Abraham.

Did you know that the in the Judeo-Christian perspective, Abraham was going to sacrifice Isaac, while in the Muslim perspective, Abraham was going to sacrifice Ishmael.

Each takes the stories and spins them in their direction. All three are doing this.

You should look into the organization called "Christians United for Israel" read up on them. They are the most radical and dangerous faction of Christianity today. They want to bring about another war, the Armaggeddon War, so "Jesus can come back sooner".

Check it out sometime. Search for Bill Moyers on Current.

I'm so glad you brought up the History channel. As if to prove your point, I saw Zeitgeist on it awhile ago. The pseudoscience that has parasitically invaded the History channel has made it undeserving of its name. It seems all they do these days is gather a bunch of semi-credible, semi-professional semi-scholars of some inane pseudoscience to talk about it. Nostradamus, Bible codes, cryptozoology, etc. In tandom with Discovery's ufo and ghost hunter shows, it really is quite worthless. I do feel that Zeitgeist is a little more solid than those. It presents a legitimate argument. Few outrageous claims are made, and it generally has the feel of plausability. About the wager on the page, I agree that the film increases awareness and understanding, but it does so through conspiracy and paranoia. The major part where the film lost me was when the narrator connects the word "sun" to "son." Language has changed, and this is preposterous. In other cases, Zeitgeist assumes for the general continuity of history, and it is not so. On the matter of the dominionists, I am astounded at what some people believe. Particularly the Mormons. They believe that, come end times, Zion city (or new Jereusalem) will be in Minnesota. It makes no sense to me, but people will fervently believe anything if there is a superior there to endorse it.

SWEET...Nice work Jubal.- :D

I have to put my two cents in as well. I've watched this "movie" (which it is more of a documentary then anything) several times now and I have one thing to say to those "detractors" of it. Do your own research. The facts are out there and they do back up what is being put forth in here. If there is one thing that I am for it's truth and understanding and I can tell you right off the top that the "church" (which was the catholic church back in the day starting things out) has been and always will be about control. I'm sorry if you do not feel that way but, it's the truth and it's factual. Anyway, that's enough. Just wanted to chime in a bit.

patriot

Thanks Jubal for doing that research. Much appreciated.

patriot