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Here's a terrifying video I found on YouTube about the future of the American economy as it goes into it's recession and a dismal future that we as citizens of the world face with in the next decade.

The idea to form the North American Union knitting together Canada, the United States and Mexico into a super-regional political and economic entity was a key agreement resulting from the March 2005 meeting held between President Bush, President Fox and Prime Minister Martin. The Union is envisioned to create a super-regional political authority that could override the sovereignty of the United States on immigration policy and trade issues. And with the sovereignty of America gone so would be the US constitution and any rights we freely enjoy today.

Supposedly, and plainly enough, the Real ID's with its implanted RFID chip will only be the first step to creating a controlled population enslaved to the few ruling leaders.
devo64

19 responses // Amero and the new world order

  • Not to go from conspiracy theories to religious kook but in Revelations, we read about the mark of the beast. A number will be assigned to every person on earth, or at least the global government will try. It may not be a number, but some sort of mark or name. Without it you won't be able to buy anything; you won't be able to sell anything.
    devo64
  • http://current.com/items/86024881_smart_and_sexy
    oh gawd, pulease

    ..not another one

    ..go watch some ann coulter
    smorrisey
  • Everyone, watch Zeitgeist... the full version.

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    Social_Fuzz
  • The Zeitgeist section about Christianity is absolute nonsense. Among scholars of ancient history the debate has been over for a long time: Jesus Christ lived, performed miracles, died, and then his body went missing. The allegations of connections to astrology are completely backwards as to who borrowed from whom.

    As for the other two sections: big thumbs up.
    stealthc
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  • After watching Zeitgeist I'm curious about the first section on Christan religion. Are there any books or articles that you know of that I can check out for an opposing view stealthc?
    devo64
  • "The Case for Christ" is a book by an accomplished Chicago journalist, Lee Strobel. As an atheist with a wife who converted to Christianity, he decided to ask the scholars what the actual evidence was about this Jesus character.

    It's a fascinating little book. He discovered pretty shortly that a lot of the things people say about the Bible and/or Christianity to dismiss it are just not true. The claim that Jesus should/would have been recorded by contemporary historians doesn't fit because he would have looked to them like just another Jewish insurgent the Romans killed.

    The accusations of borrowing from astrology are so wrong as to barely justify response. Christianity today celebrates several holidays which only exist because of the Christianization of pagan cultures over the centuries. None of those things are integral to Christianity. And names that sound alike are compelling evidence if you're a conspiracy nut, but the rest of reality just doesn't back it up. Christianity was fully formed with the theology it still has today, a very short time after Jesus' death. It did not develop gradually out of an amalgam of pagan religions.

    That's just a summary of what you'll find in that book. It satisfied my questions after seeing that movie, so hopefully it can help you too.
    stealthc
  • i think that part of the point in zeitgeist was religious control. if not the whole point.

    if you look into the history books about early Pauline (apostle paul) Christianity you find that his version of christianity was at least slightly anti-Semitic and unpopular with all of the other apostles (there were dozens of sects fighting for solidarity). paul's version sat well with the powers that be in the Roman world (they maybe devised a power sharing deal?) and they helped effectively crush other forms of early christianity (ex. gnostic).
    with the combo of political help (judiasm became outlawed) and taking pagan celebrations (solstice- christmas and equinox- easter) and showing the similarities to christianity, paul and his followers converted many people. Paul went on to become the first Pope.
    Catholicism has been a rich, powerful and oppressive regime ever since (see the crusades).

    that may have been the point of part 1. at least for me it was.
    conspiracy research often leads to a door, the other side of that door, often holds truth.
    sorry steallthc.
    phillyphil
  • phillyphil:

    I'd see to your writing etiquette (capitalization, punctuation and grammar) before presuming to educate anyone here. Others are likely to not take you seriously if you don't bother to write carefully.

    I'm curious to know what source told you Paul, a Jew, was anti-semitic.

    Did Paul's version of Christianity sit well with the Roman government before or after the Roman government imprisoned and killed him? Where did you find this idea? The Roman government was conducting a campaign of genocide against Christians *and Jews* for centuries, climaxing at the turn of the fourth century under Diocletian, before finally ending under Constantine and the Edict of Milan in 313. At what stage in this history was Christianity, a fully-formed religion throughout that period, a tool of control?

    Who told you Paul was the first pope? I thought Catholics thought Peter was the first. Since I don't find anything in the Bible about popes, I'm not inclined to include the papacy when talking about genuine Christianity.

    I won't deny for a second that organized religion has perennially been co-opted by evil. That's just the way of this world. But I would balk at any claim that Christianity was founded in corruption. The preponderance of ancient documentary evidence -- which is far more complete than the evidence for Julius Caesar's existence -- insists that Christianity sprang fully formed from the testimony of the actual person, Jesus of Nazareth.

    Like G.K. Chesterton, I believe an open mind is like an open mouth. You must close it again on something solid. That is the hardest part about conspiracy research. In the hunt for truth, so few things are solid.
    stealthc
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Christianity
    stealththc

    my writing style is my own. hopefully my thoughts and communication can still be understood...

    you are correct about the original pope being peter. paul was the main organizer behind early christianity and catholism, but not pope. my mistake.

    my web research has backed up the college studies i did surrounding Pauline Christianity. the other apostiles disagreed with paul's views, in particular his step away from tradional judiasm. he proposed new ways for organization of a church and reinterpeted many of jesus's teachings. paul had the least amount of contact with christ in comparison to the leaders of early christiandom.

    from wiki:
    "From a political perspective, Robert Eisenman sees Pauline Christianity as a method of taming a dangerous sect among radical Jews and making it palatable to Roman authorities. Pauline Christianity was essentially based on Rome and made use of the administrative skills which Rome had honed. Its system of organization with a single bishop for each town was, on this view, the means by which it obtained its hegemony."

    philosophers in all ages have looked to paul as having the greatest impact on modern christianity, especially in the US and evangelical sects.

    pauls distancing from judiasm definitly sat well with the romans. as did his highly hierarchal system of relgion.

    i did not mean to attack your belief system personally, only point to what zeitgeist helped me realize with the support of outside research.

    i too think there are wonders and goodness found in christianity, the problem manifests via the structured oppresion and greed.

    in the search through the intangible, intangible insights may be gained...
    phillyphil
  • There are at least two separate debates there, among which we need to distinguish. First there's whether or not Pauline Christianity is true-blue Christianity, and it looks like we've come to different conclusions on that. Second is whether or not what Zeitgeist says about Christianity is true. While Zeitgeist might have an assembly of facts that, when aligned properly, cast a bad light on the whole of Judeo-Christian history, the impressions that the movie gives do not stack up against actual scholarly work. The debate on those points were put down so thoroughly that they're not even points of contention.

    But the nugget of truth at the center of all that confusion is that those in search of power will use religious institutions as levers of control. If you want to see a truly corrupt brainwashing religion, look no further than Scientology. Google Operation Freakout.

    Given the determination of the global collectivists (Illuminati, NWO, whatever you want to call them), we should assume that organized religion is going to have infiltrators. I hear the feds are already telling pastors to instruct their congregations to hand over their weapons to the "authorities" when the time comes.
    stealthc
  • I will ask what bill hicks asked, " what about the dinosaurs?"
    demure2012
  • What *about* the dinosaurs? How are dinosaurs relevant to the topic of the NAU and the Amero?
    stealthc
  • It was more related to your comment, and I qoute," The Zeitgeist section about Christianity is absolute nonsense." How do you explain dinosaurs in your bible? You certainly are the rudest Christian I've ever met. Criticizing Phillyphi about his grammar, what does that matter, at least he has tact and he doesn’t have to go around being a smart ass just to prove a point. He did it in a respectful manner. Would god approve of your behavior! I think not! It goes against moral rules. Some Christian you are, then again it is expected of your kind, to be judgmental and close minded. Hypocrite!
    demure2012
  • "Dinosaurs" is not the trump card you and your comedian friend seem to think it is.

    If I'm the rudest "Christian" you've ever met, you haven't encountered very many.
    stealthc
  • My family is Christian and my husband’s side of the family, as well as friends of mine and their family, I’ve met plenty of good Christians to know that they do not carry themselves they way you do. So if it’s not the "trump card", then how do you explain it! You argue that it’s nothing, that it doesn’t have any significant. So then tell me, why aren’t they included in the bible? We know they existed, so what's your explanation? You can’t argue with me that it does not omit your “theory” and give no proof. Didn’t they teach you about that in church school!?!
    demure2012
  • thanks for the support demure!

    in the spirit of debate it is fun to take these threads anywhere.

    but, i think that you fell asleep during your Intelligent Design classes!!! :0

    it is clear that there area only a limited number of generations that have come since adam and eve ( a few thousand years?). in that short time, we have had species develop, plates shift, ancient civilizations thrive and yet dinosaurs are only a trick played by GOD to test our faith..... ummm

    on a similar note: heaven must be full already cause that 144,000 number has to have been reached long ago.

    in my personal opinion, jesus (or the story of him) was awesome. he was a true model of transcending the physical reality and basing his life on compassion and love. he has many lessons to teach us. somewhere along the way though (in my opinion, from the start of paul) the message as been altered to fit and form beliefs of others. this is where control comes in and is why the Vatican is the largest land owning corporation in the world. the beauty of jesus's life has be twisted to serve the purposes of those that wish to seek control in order to fulfill their greedy hearts.
    such assertions do not make the morals and community that christians have developed a total farce, but it does skew the true intent of institutionalized christianity on the whole.

    this is where i am coming from on the zeitgeist issue. it is not personal, it is institutional.
    phillyphil
  • I'm not responding to the "dinosaur" canard because of the staggering unimportance of the current.com website to me right now. If the replies didn't get forwarded to my inbox i wouldn't even know you were here ranting at me.

    This is the Internet. If you really wanted an answer to your question, you would go out and find it. Since you're only using this thread as a platform to tell me I'm wrong and rude and a hypocrite, I really don't see the point in giving this "debate" more than a few seconds of my time. At least phillyphil was nice enough not to make accusations about me.

    It's not *my* job to change your mind. Only you can do that.
    stealthc
  • "Phillyphil" questioning the existence of dinosaurs would mean nothing other than arrogance. After all believing they walked this earth does not mean they expect you to convert into it like some sort of religionist proof of mans ability to search for truth. To use the one tool and gift to look beyond the fairy-tales they teach in bible study. To the obvious evidence of the fossils, to tell me I lack intelligence (intelligent design) is to say the same for you. We are only human trying to fulfill our own infinite potentials. It was Plato who gave man the ability to reason with everything. Question everything. Denying that would mean you deny allot of historical artifacts such as sculptures, painting, and architecture. Can all of that be questionable as to intelligent design as well? Come on now… we all know that in all it signifies our own personal history. It was our way of manipulation to carry on in remembrance of our personal value.
    We are able to preserve certain species for the sake of proof. This is the purpose of museums.
    Where I believe you'll find certain flocks of dodos :0
    As for you stealthc…to victimize yourself could not make it more obvious that you’re a Christian.
    I did not mean for you to take it as an accusation. Please understand if that were the case… I would be accusing you of actually doing something. I was calling you a hypocrite because you were not being rational with me to begin with. I believe Jesus did serve a purpose beyond him being a martyr. I believe it’s your duty to spread the word of belief and not such much of defenselessness. All of us sometimes tend to forget the purpose of this film. We got a little off reservation. This film was exposed not for us to argue with each other only to question the Government. It was never my intention to borate you as a human being. It’s the ability to question your purpose and communication to the world… as if it were our audience. What exactly are you intentions to help mankind? Certainly it isn’t by questioning our ways of sources. It’s to spread the knowledge and do it well. Undermine the fact of who you choose to worship…and start worshiping yourself…give credit to yourself for wanting to still learn and having open discussions. “Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth.” –Baz Lurhmann
    So trust me…My intentions for our civilization is only for the greater good.
    demure2012

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