The Poland missile crisis
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The missile defense system is to house "interceptor" missiles which America argues is to protect the US from rogue nuclear states such as North Korea and Iran. North Korea have recently agreed to disarm and seemingly have begun to open their borders for trade, whilst the IAEA has recently stated that Iran's nuclear ambitions were abandoned four years ago.
When Russia built a nuclear base in Cuba, the world nearly descended into nuclear war because of the tension the move caused. Whatever the reasoning the US has for wanting a missile base in Europe it seems clear that it will only increase friction in the region and won't help US/Russian relations. Russia are a country who have been very vocal as of late, stating that they will use "pre-emptive nuclear strikes" if they, or their allies, are threatened. This is one to keep an eye on.
Sources:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6655
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4434826.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6717119.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,2192195,00.html
http://current.com/items/88819501_russia_will_use_pre_emptive_nuclear_strikes
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Humdrum
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Thanks for taking the time to write all that information, Axure.
One less transparent monster lurking in the back of my brain. - 4 years ago
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Humdrum
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Axure
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It's nice that you try to keep up with important topics, but you've made a number of mistakes here.
1) You're talking like the topic just came out of the blue, while in fact it's been digested for many months if not years in the Pol-US relations.
2) Russia loves to flex its mussles and threaten countries that not long ago were their lieges. But that talk of preventive strikes is nothing but working the public opinion (especially the Russian one before their elections) and such sentences are usually uttered by some hawkish Russian generals. In actuality, the Russians have put their tone down recently. I especially encourage you to read about the latest meet-up of Russian and Polish foreign ministers - Lavrov and Sikorski. http://www.warsawvoice.pl/view/17105
3) I believe the report that you're referring to was the US's own NIE, and not IAEA's.
4) The main purpose of the Polish interceptors is to protect Europe (and US only in some scenarios.) The location in Poland is justified by the most probable paths of missiles fired from Middle East (esp. Iran), and Poland's location more-or-less in mid-Europe. And the reasons for protecting Europe are two-fold:
a) because US has the obligation to protect other NATO members (and vice versa) - and the MD protects quite a few countries from long-range missile threat, and
b) so that US's enemies won't blackmail States that if they can't hit US, then they'll hit their European friends.5) The interceptors are not armed with warheads, so they make very poor offensive weapons. They use their kinetic energy to destroy enemy missiles with a high-speed collision.
6) There's no possibility that those 10 interceptors could prevent the Russians from launching a nuclear attack, as they have hundreds ,if not thousands, of missiles.
[Although there's one logical argument that many miss: if US and Russia were to wage war, then if US hit Russia with an intention to destroy their nuclear arsenal, there's a high probability that a couple of missiles would survive and be launched against US or Europe - then 10 interceptors could make a world (or millions of human beings) of difference.]7) When graemesmith suggests that Russia has the right to be nervous about missiles being installed near their borders, then I would suggest two things:
a) Poland is a sovereign country (unlike before 1989). It has the right to invite US missiles, or Russian, or Chinese or Iranian or whatever it likes for that matter.
b) If Russia can moan about missiles installed close to them, then Poland has the same right and hereby as a Polish citizen I demand that all Russian missiles are moved out of 1000 mile range from Warsaw.8) Iran might have withheld their nuclear program, but they keep developing long-range missiles and they're not secretive about it. Why do you need a long range ballistic missile if not to deliver a high-profile load (eg. nuclear)? Would you shoot 3000 miles away with a 500lbs worth of TNT? To do what? Hope for destructing a building? These weapons aren't that precise, these are not cruise missiles. That means - Iran is not nuclear now, but they're keeping their options open and some think we should prepare for the worse.
9) And I wouldn't agree that it's a missile crisis. Russians can shout as they will, but neither can they do terribly much, nor does anyone pay that much attention. Yes, US Govt figures meet with Russians every now and then to show good will, but keep in mind that Russia is not half as powerful as it was.
And things are actually sorting out recently. Sikorski and Rice have now agreed on principles, PM Tusk will visit US soon and bring the deal even closer. And Russians will eventually say "we're not happy with what happened, but so be it."If you wish to discuss this topic further, mail me at axure (at) wp.pl 'cuz I don't think I'm gonna visit this site very often, I just got here by accident (a Google search, to be precise.)
Cheers.
- 4 years ago
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Axure
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graemesmith
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I wonder how the US would feel if the Russians placed something that rendered their ability to launch missiles in say Mexico or Canda or hmmm Cuba and as such rendered their nuclear deterrant useless? I dont think they would be best pleased.They certainly weren't in 1963. Considering that Russia is not likely to launch strikes agains the US anymore you have to question whether or not this missile defense shield is simply a very expensive toy that arrives 30 years too late. The biggest threat the US faces is not from the Russians. Its the positioning of this defense shield kit in former Warsaw pact countries that were part of the Soviet backyard that is more than a little insensitive. If they were in Western Europe instead then perhaps it wouldnt be quite such an issue for the Russians. Love the idea of pointing missiles at Europe too!! Im sure the difference between pointing these missiles at Europe and another part of the world is probably a case of typing in some different co-ordinates but it sounds threatening so why not announce it when you're cornered and need to look hawkish?
- 4 years ago
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graemesmith
