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clinton/obama angst-o-rama


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a good comparison and exploration of the inner conflict that many democratic voters are struggling with.


"I understand that while many Super Duper Tuesday voters out there are sure and passionate in their choices -- and I wish I were among you -- I also know that there are many others, male and female, black and white, young and old, who are feeling this same tugging in their bellies and their brains. I'm not the only one who, for the first time in my life, will understand exactly how private (and perhaps profound?) the casting of a ballot can be. All I can say with assuredness is this: Whatever move I make, I bet it's going to hurt."
regina

19 responses // clinton/obama angst-o-rama

  • The writer of this article is going to the polls today undecided and will make a spur of the moment decision whether to vote for Obama or Clinton. The majority of the article discusses her reasons why she is undecided. (Obama's charisma vs. Clinton's gender) These shouldn't be deciding factors. She said she was worried that she wouldnt "be cool" if she voted one way, or would feel guillty not voting for a fellow female. She doesn't discuss their policies at all. Her reasoning makes it sound likes she is voting for someone on American Idol than a candidate for President of the United States.
    jmathew
  • http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18...
    according to npr's issue comparison chart, it seems like most of their policies are identical (although Clinton had a more specific Health Care plan, and Obama had a more specific Iraq pullout strategy). so the question becomes who will keep their word, who exhibits more integrity, who is each beholden to, how would their respective identities and interpersonal skills serve them domestically and internationally?
    regina
  • Hmmmm...Interesting. You know, this woman is making a mistake in simply going with her gut, but I sense that this IS the state of many voters. When I go to the polls today, I go prepared, but how many can really say that? I agree with you mathew in that the writer seems to be making her decisions on trivial factors, but I'd really guess that she represents the bulk of voters. It's sad; tragic actually. I would have voted for Edwards too. So I understand her there... In the back of my mind, I knew there was a likely chance that it was going to be between Obama and Hillary, and I knew I would have to face that. So, in choosing between two candidates I didn't really want, I had to expose myself to as much information, as much policy, as much PROPAGANDA as possible. In the end, I'm not comfortable with either decision, and it's not just about policy. Neither of them truly impress me when it comes to policy and track record. Hillary is utterly ruthless; a wolf in sheep's clothing. I could go on and on about why I won't vote for Hillary, but chances are that you already know why...they're probably your reasons too. I'll be voting for Obama tonight, but I'm not super happy about it. I don't get it. I don't understand why everyone talks about him like he's some kind of amazing speaker. Am I missing something? I feel that he lacks conviction. He seems uncertain to me, like a weeping willow swaying in the wind. Not to say he's a "flip flopper" (i hate that whole concept), but rather, he just doesn't know what he should say or do. Do you think that's why he doesn't show up to vote in the senate? Interesting coincidence. My point is, that even with all the data, the information, and the preparation, we are still left with our guts. We are left to judge the human element, and there's no way around that. Now, to vote for a woman simply because she's a woman, well, that's simply foolish. This is bigger than any one group. This is the president of the United States of America. This is the man or woman who is going to be the deciding factor in life after Bush. It's a big decision, and for many of us, it's a tough one. But, we still need to approach it with high hopes and with pride. I'll be voting for Obama today, and I hope that our support gives him the confidence he needs to truly shine.
    AngelinaH
  • I voted for Hillary this morning! It's time! We're busting that glass ceiling and evening out the wage differences between men and woman. A woman makes 63 cents on the dollar compared to a man doing the exact same job with the exact or even more experience. Women make up 55% of the voters in this country.

    Now let me ask you this? Don't you have the ability to multitask? Do you clean up after your father, husband, brother or boyfriend?

    You know for years I worked at a "man's" job and saw that I could do it better and faster. My mother told me I should make "him" look good. My mother told me I should always make him think it was his idea. Why I was growing up boys were favored and got to do so much more. Hey, it's time to even out the playing field!
    mzzim
  • jmathew, your response is so accurate and insightful.
    Pfestler
  • This is my post from a previous submission:

    In my opinion, voting for someone based on a superficial trait such as sex, race, religion, title, etc. is a huge insult to one's own intelligence. If you asked me, I would tell you to vote for the person who most closely represents your stance on the issues. If this means crossing parties then do it. Our political system has been a circus for the past 16 years. We need to stop voting on feelings and start taking responsibility for who [whom?] we vote for. We don't need another ring leader to continue us down this carnival road Bill Clinton and George W. Bush have drove us down. Please, I know a female president would deliver a serious blow to the white, male power that is the current status quo. But honestly, Hillary is NOT the woman to do this. I ask you not to vote for Hillary, she knows the current system much too well to act honestly with the power she'd have. If you're going to vote democrat, vote Obama. Alternatively, if you feel that neither Hillary or Obama do not represent you on the issues then please cross the road and check out Ron Paul. His ideas on the issues really stand out and are constitutionally legitimate.
    Pfestler
  • Yes, we are ready for a woman president! I've suffered long enough listened to these one sided male war monger oil filled brains. Give me someone that makes sense. Obama speaks yet says nothing..he only
    repeats what Hillary says, or Ted Kennedy (so much for "fresh") says!

    I want Hilary to win this! It is time for a woman president.
    Woman makeup 55% of the voting populations. Why don't women stick together like men do? Why do women fight their own? Aren't you tired of fighting the glass ceiling. Why do you think less of yourself ? Why do you settle to make 63% of HIS every dollar!
    mzzim
  • Whoa, mzzim, I understand your frustration but putting someone such as Hillary in the White House just because she's a woman is not making an intelligent decision about your vote. If you want change as we all do please, vote intelligently. Your words convey an assumption that you only have 2 choices for president. Try reading up on Ron Paul a little and see where he stands on issues that concern you.

    I wouldn't recommend McCain, Romney, or Huckabee but Ron Paul is constitutionally legitimate. Check him out.
    Pfestler
  • Putting Hillary in is not an instant guarantee of improvement of women's rights. Let's be realistic here. Remember that Hillary is a pandering PRO, and she's going to work hard for that second term, if she gets a chance. Do you really think she's going to stop playing politics once she's in office? Ha Ha ha! That'll be the day! Hillary's strength is in working the system, and working people. She knows how to stand in the middle of the road. She has her own agenda, and that's Victory... Achievement... Domination... Please do not be so foolish as to think that YOUR rights are her primary concern. If you are interested in civil rights and equality, perhaps Obama, the civil rights lawyer, might be a better choice. It is truly wonderful to have such a diverse group running, but to reach our potential, we need to look past our own private allegiances in order to choose the best president. I would happily elect a female...just not Hillary. If she gets the nomination, I may have to start looking elsewhere...
    AngelinaH
  • mzzim, I agree, it is time for a female president. That doesn't mean Clinton should be the first one. Don't vote, based on race or gender. Use your head and vote for the one you believe to be the best choice for our country.


    A couple of trivia bites:

    Victoria Woodhull ran in 1884 and 1888 (she also would have been the first to have a black vice-president)

    Sen. Margaret Chase Smith was nominated at the 1964 Republican National Convention.

    Rep. Shirley Chisholm ran for President in the 1972 Democratic primaries.
    YoungKREW
  • I voted for Hillary Clinton this morning...our next president. Why? She is passionate clearly spoken and she can multi task as most women can. It's time for a woman president. All my life women were told they "can't" for one reason or another, only because men wanted to be in the limelight women were put on the back burner, or no burner at all. I've seen it all. As a woman I was taught to make a man look good. I was taught to lose so he can win! No more! And please women today..never take the back seat. This is why we need to unite. But that aside, I firmly believe Hillary is the better choice.

    I watched the Nevada debates and it was clear that Obama did not have a handle on the senate voting process. He voted present because he didn't like something in a bill, when he should have voted yes or no on the bill. Then later it was revealed that Hillary and Edwards voted yes on a charge card interest ceilling of 30% where Obama voted no because it was too high. Then Edwards explained well you just gave the credit card companies the green light to charge even higher than 30% already. And that evening too. Obama listed his weakness as not be able to find papers on his desk. He is clearly not presidential material in my opinion.

    Hillary has her stuff together. Her weakness was impatience. She wants to get in there and clean up this mess. She wants to make your life better. She wants to rise up the middle class back to where they can afford to live again on their salaries and be able to save money.
    mzzim
  • i dont think that hillary is prosiming all those things
    i dont think we need her. and i dont even think shes going to bring the troops home shes full of lies.and shes way to nice to run our country.
    shes not going to make america better by
    bringing home the troops i mean its a great
    idea dont get me wrong but i actually dont
    think she will do it. i find it very funny that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are going
    head to head to get more votes but their
    the same partys why not just say pick any of
    us. i think they are getting the most votes
    because shes a female and he is a african
    amercian. i dont think we should judge people
    base on that i think we should judge them
    about how better our country is going to run.
    stephyshine
  • I WANT TO SUPPORT HILLARY CLINTON. OTHER PEOPLE CAN SAY WHAT THEY WANT ABOUT HER. MY MOM AND LIKE HER TO BE OUR NEXT LEADER.
    THE REASON WE LIKE HER SHE WILL DO WHAT NESSARY TO BE DONE FOR OUR COUNTRY. BUSH HAS CREATIVE WAR, THAT SOME OF US DO NOT LIKE. SO I HOPEFUL THAT HILLARY CAN WIN. WE NEED HER. THAT ALL I WANT TO SAY RIGHT NOW. I WILL BE BACK TO WRITE SOME MORE INFORMATION.
    JULIANN
  • I WILL SAY HILLARY WILL BE THE BEST PRESIDENT . I HOPE YOU OTHER PEOPLE HAVN'T FORGOT THAT OUR USA SOLDERS ARE STILL OUT THERE FIGHTING THERE LIFES WITH THOSE CRAZY PEOPLE THAT CAN'T LEAVE US ALONE. WE NEED OUR SOLDERS BE BROUGHT BACK HOME TO THERE FAMILY'S AND FRIENDS. I THINK BUSH IS A DONKEY. SO I AM REALLY HOPING THAT HILLARY WILL WIN THIS ELECTION. WE DO NEED TO SUPPORT HILLARY AS MUCH AS WE CAN, FROM JULIE SALE
    JULIANN
  • Bush is an elephant, not a donkey...
    Pfestler
  • DEAR TO PFESTIER, YOU SENT ME AN EMAIL.
    TELLING ME THAT BUSH IS A ELEPHANT,NOT A DONKEY! WELL LET JUST SAY HE IS BOTH. THANKS FOR SENDING ME YOUR MESSAGE TO ME . FROM JULIE
    JULIANN
  • Um, I didn't send you an email. I just posted a response here.

    Current.com sent you the email telling you that someone else posted something on the same comment list as you did.
    Pfestler
  • Poor article. There was no comparison. Just a bad explanation of her inner conflict. I certaintly hope this isn't the way most americans decide how they'll vote.
    whyphilosophy
  • I WANT TO LET YOU OTHER PEOPLE TO KNOW WE ALL HAVE THE RIGHT WHO WE WANT TO VOTE FOR AS OUR NEW PRESIDENT. AND THE REST OF YAL DON'T LIKE WHAT I SAY. THEN TOO BAD!. IF YAL THINK I AM WRITING BAD ARTICLE, SO I AM READING SOME OF YAL ARTICLES. THERE IS SOME INFORMATION I DIDN'T LIKE. SOME OF YAL ARE SUPPORTED HILLARY. IF YAL DON'T LIKE THE WAY II CALL BUSH THE DONKEY ,BECAUSE HE IS. HE HAS RIP OUR COUNTRY APART, FOR SOME WAR HE GOT STARTING ON. AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME OF YAL THAT AGREE WITH ME OR NOT.
    JULIANN

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