McCain Ate Cake While Americans Were Drowning

Life goes on. I am not sure where the connection lies between celebrating his birthday with the President of the United States and a hurricane is. Is there really anything that could be done to prevent a storm from arriving?
Fahgheddaboudit.

Yes, what cares the President and Mr. McCain United Stats' people needs and feelings, have they anything to do with, is that their sense of responsibility?

LIFE GOES ON? And you don't see the connection between leaders of this country knowing this catstrophe is happening yet deciding to continue to eat cake? No wonder this country is in the state it is now in. You should be embarrassed for that response.

Well if you want to put a leader under the microscope, let's not forget the Kennedys were with glorified prostitutes while good American soldiers were dieing in a hopeless war. Nixon was doing the same. Clinton was doing the same in the highest office in our United States. He also ran to Canada while good American boys were dieing in a hopeless war. Senators have been caught sleeping with chore boys. Barack smoked that "white rock-like substance" I once heard refered to as crack cocaine. Point is, we ALL have skeletons in our closets. We have ALWAYS elected officials with big skeletons in their closets. Skeletons are how most people become so powerful. Like I said, he ate cake during a hurricane and life goes on. I just don't see the point of the article when viewed in the light of all things.

think that's what you might call a tautology of sorts (re: epicurus' concession that "we have ALWAYS elected officials...(blah blah blah)" =) he's essentially making the same point JanforGore seems to as particularly applying to McVain/Dumbya, and maybe...doesn't know it?) =D

blinded by the apathy he thinks we should all share perhaps? maybe we should all have the "grip" epicurus has but...who cares? =D lol (especially if he doesn't seem to)

personally I agree with both of 'em...they ALL suck! but some more than others. I've had it up to "here" with Republicans and I really regret that Edwards didn't keep up his race =( ...those are sentiments I do share.

but the cake reminds me of when Bush hung out in that elementary school room for a few minutes to lounge while he'd been apprised 9/11 was actually happening right then and there. wha an egregious bs mfer...he doesn't deserve impeachment, he deserves the way our truer peacemakers have gone in much less honorable fashion. that's the only way we'll have real peace with the likes of these bass-turdz running things. but I guess I better stop and get a "grip" huh? *sigh*

Epicurus://///Yes, that's what some also said about Bush as he sat reading a book about goats as the TwinTowers fell while people were jumping to their deaths on 9/11. Again, if you cannot see it in this case as you claim you saw it in others, then you really are simply just refusing to see the point. Republicans in general do not seem to care for the poor, and yes, this apathy towards the people is something also indicative of Washington politics in general which you just admitted in your attempt to disagree with me by actually agreeing with me. And some of us with hearts and a moral compass do find that to be a big deal, unlike Bush and his cronies who only see $$$$$$$ in every tragedy.

Well I apologize for not making my point clear. You seem to have understood me to be pro republican, but that was not my argument. I have never been so simple minded to say that my point of view happens to be on one side of the 50 yard line ALWAYS. I am independent, and like to look at political issues as they occur. I believe deep down we are all this way. There are many great things about democrats (Like John Kerry) and many great things about republicans (Ronald Reagan) and even some really great things about independents who never get their fair share (Ross Perot!) because of the corruption we have in our government. As for George Bush... he is a bit of an ass. But I will give him this much: We were attacked and he answered it in the only way the terrorists understand. Having dealth with these people, I say that based on training and experience. If it took him a few minutes in the classroom to react, that is fine. That is normal. It is ok to feel human shock and awe. But he didnt fall into some big depression. He stood up and united this entire country at that time in a way we have not seen since World War II. ...Hasn't been united since though I admit.. But remember before we pull the plug in Iraq and Afghanistan and wherever else... AlQuaida are not stupid people. They are patient people. Should we really forget about 9/11? Now I am not saying nothing about or policy should change. I agree that some of it looks like it should, from the viewpoint that we are all allowed to see. But there are hundreds of people who are in charge of that. Behind the silver screen, Bush still needs to let someone know when he needs to use the toilet. And he still needs to review decisions with a lot of people. Again.. I am not for one side or the other, I am just for there are bigger issues than eating cake. On your bithrthday. With the leader of the free world. (Side note, I remember people saying they refuse to leave when the evacuation order came in New Orleans)

epicurus is funny... =D he thinks bush was in "shock and awe" when he got the 9/11 "news." lol he was much as leisurely as when you seem him with McVain's birthday cake (granted epicurus the cake incident may not be as inciteful or egregious as 9/11 but...) *echoz shakes his head thinking about some addage about leading a horse to water...*

not sure anyone really accuses epicurus of being republican but it's ok...i think he's right about them and the poor most definitely.

I'd kindly suggest to epicurus or others to view this online movie "Zeitgest The Movie" The link's below here (the religious part is more or less generally bogus as there are several sites that effectively and rather definitely refute the broad sweeping assertions made in the movie, although I'm sure some of the ignorant will fall through the cracks without questioning anyway but...the rest is entirely relevant to the topic here of our bs government subjugating us to whatever the hell they want at any cost basically...even our own lives.) Wake up America. it's time to rage against the machine... it's high time...not "miller time" you fools. =D

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

there are three parts in which is discussed religion as I've mentioned (see my notes below) the federal reserve and how our "government of thugs" treasonously white-washes the public while washing one hand with the other to leave us wallowing in widespread ignorance.

(again the religious part, which is the first part, is somewhat interesting but don't get carried away with it... read up for the real truth:
http://www.infowarsforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=2952 and among others...
http://www.thedevineevidence.com/jesus_similarities.html )

...when your eyes are opened, there's no where to hide. no indecision or "neutrality" in continuing ignorance that can afford or spare you. the demand for justice just might however... at least...there's a chance, save bloody revolution.

"I'd rather die on my feet, than continue living on my knees." --Zapata

Epicurus: Many couldn't leave.They didn't have cars. They were poor.They didn't have a way to get out. Buses were not picking them up. Bush did not even include those poor counties in his alert which came out during an investigation which also discovered that the shape of those levees were also known well ahead of this hurricane but yet funding was CUT for fixing them. And, people in the Superdome if you were watching waited DAYS for water and food to the point where people were dying of diabetiic shock. It was a national disgrace and the people of New Orleans are STILL being left high and dry by this government.They couldn't even give them trailers that weren't poisonous, as well as them being ripped off by their insurance companies. There is no excuse for what happened. And they knew this hurricane was going to hit for a few days before it did. So their "eating cake" while people were drowning I think is relevant symbolically in making the point that they just didn't and don't give a damn, and therefore, John McCain as president is a wrong choice for America.

That's your choice when you are in the voter box. I think the most important part is that we are making choices, and we are voting. Whichever of the three we hire in November, I am sure Jon Stuart will not have too much difficulty finding four years worth of material...

Well, on your last sentence I can wholeheartedly agree.

wtf..."at least we're voting"??? Jan isn't making a "choice" as much as stating the dam facts. mcCain freakn SUX... the fool has openly promised more wars and less jobs. but that's a reasonable "choice" eh? feigning honesty and passing it off somehow for integrity??? that's what I call bs. it's intelligent *informed* decisions that make the *best* difference in voting booth, not just any apathetic "whatever, whoever" bs vote based on less than what we *know* to be the truth... I'm more convinced now than ever some people are just insolently determined to be *dumber* than others. imhpov there's no excuse for that, unless of course, you're just wantonly able to disregard what a travesty Katrina was/is. then, probably nothing freakn moves you, eh?? how freakn disgusting

Silly and hateful . . . really.

And Jan . . . sorry to say, but you've got a lot of your facts wrong.

wtf??? should we be impressed? heh are we "supposed" to??? lol (this should be good) "And jawny'"...maybe you should be more importantly working on some resolve for that receding hairline, maybe parting it even a little MORE to the right, if that were even possible.. cuz, "sadly" it looks like it's getting a bit deep at the corners there, eh? been fighting that for some time jawny have you?

...cuz If she's "wrong" about ANYthing it's just as dam TRIVIAL and as inconsequential compared to what she's got COMpletely phukn RIGHT about this a$$hole president, his phuktop character, and everyone he represents (including this kissa$$ McCain) in lieu of the real Americans and servicemen continually suffering the brunt of his greed and outright LIES, even unto their deaths, while you think to take that "cheap" liberty to point out jan might have little more than a spot of running mascara for all the crying... If I'm to be impressed, my impression is you're petty as phuk.

Could be I'm wrong, but I notice you don't even care to mention what facts are supposedly more true. You know, you might better spend what little time you have left saving that hair on saving that hair cuz, wasting it on worthless petty points of view is gonna lose you valuable time! ;)

A receding hairline blast . . . is that the best you can do?

As for the phukt up President and McCain . . . yeah, so what? That's the problem with people like you. There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of both of them, yet you are willing to stoop to silly shit like this. It makes you look petty and weak. Unlike you, I'd rather focus on the real problems in Louisiana (my home state) than worry about what McCain and Bush were doing three hours after Katrina made landfall.

As for what facts she has wrong . . .

1) The evacuation of New Orleans should have been handled by the Governor of Louisiana and the City of New Orleans. They were COMPLETELY derelict.

2) The deteriorating condition of the levees in New Orleans began LONG BEFORE Bush was ever in the White House. Certainly that does not excuse the fact that we should have been doing more to strengthen that levee system, but I can promise you that whatever funding would have been sent to Louisiana for those levees in the 4 years Bush was in office would not have been enough to rectify DECADES of neglect and corruption. In fact, there is ample evidence that what measures were being taken may have contributed to the failure of those levees. The whole damn system needs to be re-engineered, if not the whole notion of human habitation of those lands.

3) I don't know what "poor counties" (they're parishes, by the way) she's talking about that were not included in the alert. Pretty much all of Southern Louisiana was declared a relief area and ALL of the parishes that were in the path of that storm were under evacuation orders. If Jan has knowledge otherwise, I welcome her to post something that says so. I have family throughout the region and I know they were all under evacuation orders and are all covered by federal relief plans.

4) As for the FEMA trailers. Yes . . . that is an absolute disaster, but the federal government didn't build the damn things. If you go and buy a travel trailer on the open market today, it will be giving off formaldehyde just like the ones that FEMA provided. To be sure, they are responsible for their response to the problem, but to say that FEMA caused the problem is ridiculous.

gee, thanks jawny. I feel so much better "stooping" to your level. =D

Jan is calling the CHARACTER of these idiots in question, not the obvious "engineering" aspects of why Katrina was so damaging in the first place.

imho (jan may yet further disagree) the closest you got to the essence of this thread was that "...they are responsible for their response to the problem..." which is close enough, I guess, to what this thread actually addresses. People like McCain and Bush don't really give a shit. doesn't seem like you're one of them, but I have seen worse...

On YOUR points, which I may had to be "disturbingly" elicited =P hehe:

1) ...one woman writes speaking of the already well-prepared readiness of even fed ogranizations to act:
http://www.namguardianangel.blogspot.com/2005/09/every-one-was-ready-for-katrina...

"
... IT LOOKS LIKE EVERY ONE BUT BUSH & COMPANY WAS READY FOR KATRINA,,THE NAVY, THE COAST GUARD, RED CROSS, WALMART AND THE NEWS CREWS....WHY DIDN'T THESE SHIPS GET THE ORDERS TO GET THE PEOPLE OUT BEFORE THE LEVEES BROKE [they were already well-prepared to do that!] ??? WHY NOT RIGHT AFTER THEY BROKE??? WHY DID IT TAKE DAYS?????" (uh...because bush didn't give 'em, the bass turd)

2) I actually agree with you that "the notion of [continued] human habitation" there may certainly be in question...but following Jan's angle...why isn't Bush levelling with Americans and the victims??? (surely bush has better intelligence but, clue: it's about the lack of CHARACTER jawny')

http://pesn.com/2005/09/23/9600175_Rebuild_Energy_Systems_Not_NewOrleans/

"The President of the United States of America has announced in a theatrically heroic manner that New Orleans will be rebuilt. At first blush, what he has proposed seems like a nice idea.

That is the best that can be said of it.

A wise evaluation of the facts tells us that the horrendously expensive project he has proposed is a fool’s errand....

Emotionally pleasing as it may be, rebuilding New Orleans prophesies an even worse disaster than what we have just seen. Hurricanes are only a small part of the threats destroying the city."

3) ...maybe Jan has a response *shrug* but I think you're the petty one here even IF she's misguided on that particular point.

4) I think you may be a bit naive regarding some of the ACTUAL relief efforts of FEMA. Their HUMANITARIAN (while you cite the engineering bs) "response" was probably not at all close to what it should have been:

http://www.foodnotbombs.net/katrina.html

"PLEASE CONTINUE TO HELP! We are active across the Gulf Region working to rebuild. We have been the only organization providing regular meals. The American Red Cross, state emergency agencies, and ***FEMA**** asked everyone to call our toll free number for food relief. The current crisis is that the people of New Orleans need drinking water. This is an emergency! Since the storm swept through the gulf we have been one of the only hot meals shared on a daily bases in New Orleans. We still need volunteers, tools and food to help the people displaced by Katrina. ..It's been difficult...Help us get food and supplies past FEMA. We need clothes, cooking equipment, food, cooks and money to provide for thousands of hungry homeless people."

Y'know what I think? I think creeps like Bush and McCain used this disaster so some advantage in an exercise of hidden prejudice. That's what I think. I somehow doubt you're not so contemptuous as to disagree with the actual experience but, you never know...

sorry about the hairline blast...you're right that was petty, but it was perhaps indicative of how serious your own points may be taken in light of the insidious CHARACTER of our present leaders.

Sorry, can't read that post. Don't know why they can't figure out how to wrap links.

yeah i know...i posted so dam much i didn't feel like wrapping it myself lol (I sometimes do when that happens) =D

hope you're doing alright jawny...

yep

just figured out that the wrap problem was me . . . well technically it's firefox, but i just switched rendering to ie and no problems.

also started using safari 3.1 today . . . quite by accident ;-)