Northern Illinois killer named after 6 dead

holy shit not again!! dang man... why? why?
this is totally efed up.

It's sad what happens in our society.
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This is so scary...it really proves that these things can happen anytime, anywhere. I really hope everyone is OK.

I meet my daughter's ex in DeKalb to pick up my granddaughter on occassional weekends. It's a rural town with a big college. So hard to believe that this has happened there. So, so sad.

Some people want to hurt the world, and then there are others that want to burn it up. My condolences to the families and friends of the victims of this tragedy!

It is a sad thing but it seems that all the public institutions are going to have to have security screening for weapons at all school campuses across the country, just because it can happen anytime and anywhere.

I am not ready to surrender my right to privacy because there are nut-jobs with guns.

The reports of these incidences would appear to be fanning the flames.

We've been discussing the issues on this thread: http://current.com/items/88841977_15_year_old_killed_by_classmate_in_california

Seems kind of redundant to say these things all over again.

I will add, that I attended a film school for a short time in Santa Monica. My experience was this: when discussing my coming to the school and student loans and so forth, I made it clear I would attend if I could obtain loans to cover cost of living. After being approved, I thought, I quite school where I had just began attending a semester, moved 400 miles south to Santa Monica, initially into student housing.

After a about a week, I was informed that due to the type of loan I received, I was not eligible for cost of living disbursements. Great! Now, I'm stuck in student housing. Although, during the application process I had filled out a questionnaire regarding my sleeping habits and cleanliness and so forth, I was put in a dump of an apartment with kids who stayed up every night until 2-3:00 in the morning.

Eventually, I was transfered to a better apartment with a quite fellow student. Everything was great until... even though the school had an accelerated program, semesters were actually only quarters, the school brought into the apartment what were claimed to be 1/2 quarter students. News to me. One of them was very considerate, the other an aggressive alcoholic with serious issues with authority figures.

Eventually, looking to relieve his own stress, he provoked a situation threatening physical violence - naturally evoking a self-defensive response.

The first problem: is the admissions representative lied (or mislead me) about receiving cost of living disbursements. The result? I had already quite school in my home town, moved to LA and committed to attending that quarter. I was forced to use money I'd borrowed which was allocated for dental work.

Second problem: gross incompetence on the part of the housing coordinator. Gross Incompetence!!!! The result? The lack of sleep while living in the dump with night owls affected my ability to get the most from my expensive schooling.

Third problem: the school would let anyone attend. The troubled student who was placed in my apartment mid quarter never should have been there. Result? disrupted my studies and made me realize that any school with such a grossly incompetent housing coordinator didn't deserve my money or time, and that I wasn't waiting around to see what horrors waited me with the next apartment or roommate.

The program I was on was to cost me over $100,000.00 for three years. You'd think for that kind of money, the school could, would take better care of it's students.

Why do I go on about this? Because, at every turn this school demonstrated that what was most important was maximizing it's profits. Not students.

I'm in no way a violent person, never did a thought of committing a violent act cross my mind, but I can understand based on my experiences why some, those on the edge commit such atrocities.

To conclude with my terrible experience: I talked with a few people at the school who took a defensive, adversarial position. Now, how is that going to help anything? Are these college grads or just some idiots that came they hired from nowhere? Eventually, I spoke to the President of the school who conducted herself professionally - thank God someone did.

As it ended up, I was still to pay a portion of the tuition, not all as I left early - enough was enough.

Latest report stated that the gunman was not a student there.

ban guns!

It's not the guns. It's unhappy people. Why is the issue of guns more important than the problems of these people?

People talk about guns as though they go walking around looking for opportunities to kill people. Ah, doesn't work that way.

The problem with these kids needs to be addressed, not the symptoms if you want it to stop. Don't the schools these anti-gun advocates go to teach about cause and effect?

Maybe you could get the guns into treatment, maybe even some medication for them. Let's make happy guns out these killer guns with some drugs. How about a little electro-shock therapy? Or, if they are really bad, waterboarding! Whhhoooo'ssss yyyooouuuurrrrr lllleeeaaaaddddeeeerrrrr? Issss iittt tthhheeeeee nnniiiiiinnnnneee mmmmmiiilllliiiiiimmmmmmeeeettttteeeeerrrrrr? Tell me now!!!, or I'll step on your bullets!

I hate guns as much as the next person, but a ban on guns will just move them to the black market. Black markets never turn out well.

there is unhappy people everywhere, but the fact they can too easily have gun is part of the problem.

Remember, no gun, no shots.

Really, like the student story yesterday, if he hadn't a gun, would he have kill the kid?

Now, yes you can work on the kids upfront, that would be great, all you need is a masive national wake up!
by them, can always ban guns!
who need one anyway?

i'm with alexandrek.

The people who pick up guns to kill other people, whether out of passion, whim, premeditation, WHATEVER - Those guns are happily sold to them by their local gun shop (or at Walmart for that matter). just like cigarettes at every corner store. So go ahead, kill yourself. And take a few with you, too.

It's like Global Warming - man, it would be great if we could all become enlightened overnight. But since that's not going to happen, the laws need to be put in place to cap people's use of carbon-emitting technology.

you can prance around and claim that everyone should be happy and free and that everyone deserves love. but not everyone is happy and free, and not eveyone receives the love they need. Some people have bones to pick. And if they have access to a gun, they can do much more damage. it's so simple it's ridiculous.

you cannot and will not erradicate anger. you can only erradicate the means by which to express that anger in an enormously destructive way.

Why arent we allowed to buy grenades? cause they do a lot of damage. Well, folks, so does a round of bullets.

If humans cant be trusted to refrain from shooting each other up, they need to have their guns taken away.

I ask again, why must we have guns made available to us? the 2nd amendment doesnt apply anymore. If there were going to be a people's revolution it would have already happened. No one hunts for their food anymore, and hunting for sport is unethical. Guns serve ONE PURPOSE in post modernity - to kill.

as long as guns are legal and available to the citizenry, you will see stories like this, year after year after year after year.

stephenthomson - who are you to decide what Constitutional rights I or anyone else will be deprived? The Constitution, considered by much of the world to be the greatest document ever written - that would include the bible, was written by men of far greater wisdom and insight than yourself - no offense intended.

By far, you haven't lived on this planet long enough to understand the complexity or the simplicity of what you are suggesting.

I'd suggest you research world history and see for yourself the results of governments banning the populace from possessing weapons.

Furthermore, people being shot is only the tip of the iceberg. What makes it okay to neglect children to the point they mistakenly believe their only recourse is to strike out on someone or the world? What's wrong with you that you would ignore the problem, and focus on the symptom - the gun didn't do it all by it's lonesome!

Based on you approach, angry kids will increasingly strike out (as you fail to address the cause), so if guns aren't available, what's the next weapon of choice? Knifes? So you ban knives but you still haven't addressed the cause, so what's the next weapon of choice? Maybe it's their own hands and anything they can hold in them. What do you do? Ban people's hands?

Look where you're approach leads - it leads nowhere!

Bad guns, neglected kids okay?

Voyager -

you clearly havent read all i wrote in the previous thread. It's a holistic approach that will solve the problem, as I mentioned before.

of course we need to learn how to love our children and teach them to love others. of course. why would I deny that? I dont write extensively about that because that's something we all agree on.

we need to ban guns.

Just as I am not allowed to buy a bazooka or a grenade, or dynamite, I should not be allowed to buy a semi automatic or automatic rifle.

The Constitution needs to be reconsidered.

Just as the Bible must be reinterpreted to have any relevance in the post modern world where evolution is not only accepted, it's the foundation of all science; so the Constitution's details (not the overarching wisdom of it) need to be tweaked to fit a society that does not in the least resemble that which existed at the time the Constitution was written.

voyageur,
Constitution the greatest doc after bible!! in US yes and only, in the world is just one more constitution doc!! Switzerland did theirs in 1291! what about the Human rights chart, the Red Cross dedication letter etc etc...
Man, need to know the world is bigger than USA, time to travel a bit Mr voyageur.....

Just out of curiosity, how many school related shootings is that within our country in the last decade?

i have to point out the idiocy of a no gun policy:
1) black market, no shit they will still get guns
2) this kid could have killed alot more by doing the same thing but with a molotov cocktail or other improvised explosive.

banning guns will do NOTHING except piss off gun activists, paranoid people, and supporters of their view of the us constitution.

however, i do think guns need stricter regulations such as: age restrictions, mental health examinations before you can purchase one (hey if summer camps can require a physical exam then guns NEED a mental one) and if you have any violent crimes in your past, then you cannot buy one.

but hey whatever you can rant for banning all guns, but in a few years you will see school bombings, angry kids who get no help do horrific things... so unless you are going to ban every caustic/explosive material, then this kind of stuff will STILL happen.

The thoughts and prayers of VT are with them.