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Please pardon the parallelism, I'm aware there is no connection between the two plights, but I wonder if the US/UK support, military occupation of the border, and Kosovo's geopolitical advantage makes it a prime candidate for US nation building and dominance in the region. Can anyone else draw parallels with the creation of Israel in 1948 or make a distinct case for the difference?

Should the US even be involved? Russia has already threatened to send military troops to the border to confront the US and NATO forces. Is the US ready to fight for this one? Should the US take a diplomatic neutrality stance instead?

Please make me understand the difference.
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17 responses // Kosovo the new Israel?

  • 1948 vs 2008 is quite a bit difference. And anyway in 1948 the US dragged its feet with Truman wrestling over the decision. It wasn't a jump decision to dominate the area.

    I can't really buy any of this idea of the US out to evilly dominate the area. It's scapegoating at its finest. Other nations might get away with it but Serbia? Please!

    Since the fall of communism, every non-Serbian territory of Yugoslavia wanted to split and be independent as soon as they could. That should tell you something.
    SamuraiDave
  • Just a few points - in 1947, there were only 70,000 Albanian Kosovars, today they are two million. Do the maths...

    For years before the "Kosovo War", the USA was active and complicit with Al Qaeda to help Kosovo Albanians get Serbs out of Kosovo, supplying them with weapons, money, training, and foreign (Al Qaeda) fighters.
    Vierotchka
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  • http://www.privatetourdriveritaly.com/about_map-albania...
    Another point - vast oil and gas reserves have been confirmed to lie in northern Albania and southern Kosovo. Here is one link:

    http://www.newkosovareport.com/20080110426/Region/Vast-...

    But this was known a long time ago. Albanian Kosovars are, for the most part, Albanians that have entered Kosovo from Albania over the last couple of decades. The plan is for Kosovo to join Albania, i.e. for Albania to annex Kosovo and expand its territory. We have been witnessing the theft of a province by people to whom it doesn't belong.

    Here is another link to an article which better explains why the USA is behind all this mess:

    http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forum/forumnew22.HTM
    Vierotchka
  • oh crap.
    jade_azul16
  • You're right, this is exactly like the Israel/Palestine issue. Rightwing Israelis use a simialr argument on the population of Palestinians in 1947 as opposed to today. And the fear of annexation of territory by Syria and/or Jordan.

    There should be a copyright on conspiracy political theories.
    SamuraiDave
  • Excerpt from http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&a...

    Reagan's NSDD 133 (1984) "Secret and Sensitive"

    There is evidence that the US administration in liason with its allies took the decision in the early 1980s to destabilise and dismantle Yugoslavia.

    The decsion to destroy Yugoslavia as a country and carve it up into a number of small proxy states was taken by the Reagan adminstration in the early 1980s.

    A "Secret Sensitive" National Security Decision Directive (NSDD 133) entitled "US Policy towards Yugoslavia." sets the framework for the destabilization of Yugoslavia's model of market socialism and the establishment of a US sphere of influence in Southeastern Europe.

    Yugoslavia was in many regards "an economic success story". In the two decades before 1980, annual gross domestic product (GDP) growth averaged 6.1 percent, medical care was free, the rate of literacy was 91 percent, and life expectancy was 72 years.

    NSDD 133 set in motion a series of covert intelligence operations which consisted in creating and supporting secessionist paramilitary armies. These operations were combined with the destabilization of the Yugoslav economy, which ultimately led to the destruction of its industrial base, the demise of the workers' cooperative and the dramatic impoverishment of its population.

    The record of US-NATO war crimes is important in assessing recent developments in Kosovo.

    From the outset of their respective mandates in June 1999, both NATO and the UN Mission to Kosovo (UNMIK) have actively supported the KLA which from the outset of the NATO occupation has been involved in numerous atrocities. It is important to understand that these atrocities were ordered by the current and former prime ministers of the Kosovo "government".

    Since 1999, State terrorism in Kosovo has become an integral part of NATO's design. The present government of prime minister Hashim Thaci (a former KLA Commander), is an outgrowth of this reign of terror. It is not a government in the common sense of the word. It is remains a terrorist organization linked to organised crime. It is instrument of the foreign occupation.
    Vierotchka
  • Uh, Reagan is dead and the Cold War over. Those secret plans are over 20 years old! These secret plans obviously weren't worthy of attention back then even with the USSR as big of a threat as it was.

    "The record of US-NATO war crimes is important in assessing recent developments in Kosovo."

    Yeah, right! Like Serbia has any right throwing the term war crimes around except at itself.
    SamuraiDave
  • SamuraiDave - you can't understand a present situation without knowing its historical context and what led to it. So yes, the USA's foreign policies over the past thirty years are indeed a major causal factor in today's situation. Did you bother to click on the link to read the whole article? It doesn't seem so. Or, if you did, it seems you didn't understand it and the implications and effects.
    Vierotchka
  • There are many differences. One is that the US wasn't a major financial backer or weapons provider for Israel until after 1967.
    Jaron
  • jaron, thanks for pointing that out. i just looked at two other sources and they both say not until 1962(?) in fact, the US joined an embargo against weapons sales to Israel in 1949 (1949 Tripartite Agreement).

    whoa! i just found a link:

    http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1991to_now_israel_us_s...

    could anyone verify if the info is repeated in other sources?
    pressrecord
  • dave is right...
    how can political history have ANY bearing on what happens today? Those people should be adopting the 15min attention span that we have embraced damnit...
    How dare they? They just think they are soooo smart by comparing it to Israel. Tryin to get the lefties to support that notion. Our "third world" war should be welcomed in every country around the world for what it truly is...
    a global humanitarian relief operation to spread liberty, freedom, and prosperity to the poor under-privileged of the world. For we are political Gods that know the best course of action for every country in the world. It isn't our foreign policy that causes people to act this way...they just hate us because we are smart, rich, and free! Why would history have any bearing at all? To suggest that is simply lefty...or socialist...or terrorist...or conspiracy theory mumbo jumbo. They don't fight because of history...they fight because some crazy conspiracy theorist spread propaganda to trick their feeble minds which are simply incapable of free-thought or political righteousness. How could those uneducated foreigners possibly know any better than our prestiges leadership?
    ablindeye
  • I'd say only due to the other country being sour, the people gained independance never ment for the disaster.

    How ever, America, Britain and the now bitter Russia are already into it, look away, only to become worse, especially with Russia and Britain already havind many mishaps this year.

    Like Afgahnistan, the same dragged in, with three more in this war.

    The two wars combined, a near sure World War Three.
    steadward
  • hmm the new isreal? first of all, kosovar people are muslim. do you think really that the us will ever lift a finger to just out of nowhere help a muslim nation? please!!

    second, you are spitting in the faces of the palestinian people by equating their plight with the kosovar. Yea they were persecuted in a way, but the palestinians are not at all even given an opportunity to legally fight back. The us always talks about one day the people will rise up and how thats the american way and all...but when a democratically elected government in Hamas (no matter how you or I feel about them) is power, the world decides to not listen because the US said they wil stop doing business with them if they dont?! THAT IS BS!! thats why they attack us, and they need to step it up to be honest....america deserves it (well the government that is.)

    kosova (and it is kosova not kosovo) has its distince issues with serbia. and i am all about their independance and all..because serbia was a NAZI loving nation. but dont for a sec equate it to isreal without looking at all the situations involved. im sure you didnt mean that when you said it, but by not looking at the palestinian genocide, you demean the issue.
    okinawanmajik
  • "first of all, kosovar people are muslim. do you think really that the us will ever lift a finger to just out of nowhere help a muslim nation? please!!"

    That's exactly what the US has done, supplying the Albanians who invaded Kosovo (and NOT Kosova - the original Serbian name of their heartland province is Kosovo) over the decades with reams of money, weapons, training, and brought ten thousand Al Qaeda Mujahedins into Kosovo to help the illegal occupants chase the Serbs out.

    Furthermore, Serbia was NOT a Nazi-loving nation, Croatia was. The Serbs fought very bravely against the Nazis.

    Moreover, we are not comparing the Muslim Albanians in Kosovo with the Palestinians, we are comparing the Serb victims of the Albanians in Kosovo with the Palestinians.
    Vierotchka
  • Incase these types of people look here that I've heard of, I'll just tell those this:

    You belive Nazis are coming into this? Only in Russian and unrelated Polish wars (the riots in Poland, racist beatings in Russia) NOT into this war I'd say though. To those people, you NEVER suspect American Neo Nazis (the first NOT to be from the Third Reich during the cold war)

    does'nt make much sense? No it does'nt! Exactly, Nazis have nothing to do with THIS one, so quit those steriotypes!

    Sorry to those already here, not you. I just meet real big idiots at times in person. Just to save some typing on the key boards. I'm sick of paronoid people always blaming Nazis.

    ...NOT that I am one! Did'nt mean it like that!

    ...I'll be off now...
    steadward
  • Vierotchka said: "Just a few points - in 1947, there were only 70,000 Albanian Kosovars, today they are two million. Do the maths... "

    This claim that is made by Serbians quiet frequently is absoultley false. The only reason why 70 000 Albanians are claimed to have been in Kosovo in 1947 is because the Serbian government hid information. Im sure everyone is aware of what a CENSUS is.

    When a census was conducted Albanians living in Kosovo were forced to register such censuses with false Serbian last names (therefore the Serbian government counted Albanians as "Serbs"). This can be proved by looking at the name databases either in Belgrade or Prishtina as it will show Albanian first names with altered serbian last names.

    The government of serbia worked to achieve the 1999 goal of ethnic cleansing Albanians for a long time.
    PeYonka

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