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Whoa... I didn't see this coming... I thought Bloomberg was going to run before Nader again.

UPDATE--
Nader defends his run and here are the details:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/25/nader/index.html
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69 responses // Nader to run for President

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    Hey, he can run if he wants to... Democracy right? And anyway, if the Democrats have a strong platform, it shouldn't matter.

    JanforGore
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    The Republicans will be the losers this time. I can't see any Democrat switching over to Ralph. Only reluctant McCain voters.

    Marilynn_Murray
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    I have always admired Ralph Nader as an original American Icon. I have never believe this stuff put out by the Democrats that he took votes away from
    Al. Gore in 2000. I did not see Mr. Nader on our ballot in 2000, so I picked the next best choice and voted for George W. Bush.

    Kenrick
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    Kenrick: so how has that vote been working out for you lately?

    JanforGore
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    Good for you. Now you will get to choose between Nader and McCain. It will be a tough choice between two old fools.

    Marilynn_Murray
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    Nader unfairly became a scapegoat for frustrated democrats after the 2000 election and I think Al Gore would admit that he made many mistakes or "what ifs" during his 2000 campaign that just as significantly cost him the election (and technically, he won). And I know what Nader's response is to the idea that Nader "stole" votes from Gore in 2000. He has said:

    "So we have to get over it, and liberals especially have got to get over their easy abdication of least-worst voting for the Democrats, where they don’t put any pressure or they don’t make any demands on the Democrats, because they fear that the Republicans are worse. That sets up a system where the corporations are pulling 24/7 the Democrats in their direction to become corporate Democrats, like the corporate Republicans, and no one is pulling the other way. Why? Because they’re all freaked out by the Republicans, and they’re going for least-worst voting. All the bargaining power of progressives and liberals atrophy with that attitude."

    Considering Obama's huge campaign fund raising, I think Nader has a good point. Check it out at the democracynow.com link.

    hillad
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    Ralph Nader may be the most honest man in America and John McCain was a fighter pilot in Viet Nam, he was shot down, held as a prisoner by the Communists and subjected to physical and mental torture which would make waterboarding seem like a mild irritation. Old fools they are not.

    Kenrick
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    kenrick: So why in your judgement then would McCain want to keep other troops in a war that subjects them to such mental torture? All of those I know who knew such horrors of war would never do such a thing to their brothers. And again, how is that vote for Bush working out for you now? He certainly wasn't the next best choice as time has proven.

    JanforGore
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    I agree with Kenrick and hillad 100%. Right now I support John McCain. I would vote for Ralph Nader, I think he is a good choice with strong leadership skills. Taking Ralph Nader or John McCain too lightly as candidates would be a big mistake. I usually vote GOP and I would never vote Democrat. I am not at all knocking anyone who votes differently than I do. I believe the more views and policy issues that we Americans get to decide on, the better. I hear so many people say that they vote for the Democrat party because they are against Bush. Why not vote for a candidate because you believe in what his campaign and political platform stands for? Ralph Nader entering into the 2008 Race is a positive event for the United States democracy because more people and issues will now have a voice that was before silenced by the Democrat and Republican parties.

    mjsmith11
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    mjsmith; I don't agree with you at all about McCain, but I do believe we need more voices, so on that we can agree. And really, while I believe in Democratic princiiples and basically have supported Democratic candidates, it was because of their stances not because they were Democrats. I would have voted for Al Gore regardless of his party. He is just that good.;-).

    JanforGore
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    Ralph Nader is a person in you Neighborhood.
    If somethings wrong he makes a fuss,
    He's an advocate for all of us!

    devo64
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    I support Ralph Nader and everything he stands for whole heartedly. I only wish the Democratic Party would do the same.

    spoon
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    Fear not Ralph Nader. We would do best to fear and fight these Criminal Corporations who are stealing America from us by sending manufacturing and service jobs to Mexico and other offshore countries. They are only doing this for one reason "greed", they care not for this Country or the people who live and try to work in it
    It will probably be too late when our government wakes up and tries to put a stop to these modern day robber barons.

    Kenrick
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    FEAR Ralph? Ralph would prevent hundreds of thousands of innocent (involuntary) Americans from dieing easily preventable deaths while Obama, Clinton and the Republicans fiddle around offering nothing but more "smoke and mirror" non-solutions on health care. How ironic that we should "fear" Ralph when he is the only candidate offering any protection at all. What we shoud fear are Tweedle Dee and Dum candidates running of, by and for corporate welfare at "we the people's" expense. The responsibilty should be with the Democrats for refusing to offer real leadership on life and death issues of national importance, not on Ralph for offering us the only honest choice available.

    spoon
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    this guy embodies disgruntlement.... no doubt will gain a sizeable chunk of older, petulant, grumbling, cranky middleclass voters. I've always admired his ideas, but his anger and general negativity make him unfit to lead any nation. such a whiner...oh gawd...here we go... Oh yeh, and he's 74 years old....74.

    meet the press:
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23319781/

    here's what the democratic candidates had to say about it:

    Obama:“Ralph Nader deserves enormous credit for the work he did as a consumer advocate,”“But his function as a perennial candidate is not putting food on the table of workers.”“He seems to have a pretty high opinion of his own work,”

    Clinton: “I don’t know what to say,” she said, when a reporter asked for comment. “Wow, that’s really unfortunate. I remember when he did this before. It’s not good for anybody, especially our country.”
    “Well, you know his being on the Green Party prevented Al Gore from being the greenest president we’ve ever had,” Mrs. Clinton said. “And I think that’s really unfortunate.”

    smorrisey
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    JanforGore: (sorry about that). Yes I am good with my two votes for GWB. I will say that the period after the 2000 vote in Florida was probably the best drama that I ever saw on T.V., the political maneuvering and the courtroom drama was riveting. I even saw one fool gulp down a handful of chad when he was questioned about it. Great stuff. The only real issue that I have with President Bush is the invasion and occupation of Iraq. I saw no reason for it, we could have carpet bombed them with B-52s and turn the whole country into dust with little or no loss of American life.

    Kenrick
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    Where you see a hero I see a blooming idiot. Responsible for the Iraq war as much as anyone.

    Marilynn_Murray
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    Kenrick: Sure, nuke them all and let God sort them out. Fuck the 26+ million civilians living there. Families like your or mine who didn't want this war thrust upon then but live with it every day of their lives. It's that kind of mentality that is destroying our nation and makes us look like nothing more then a bunch of bullies.

    devo64
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    I'm convinced Obama would have voted with Hillary in favor of the Invasion of Iraq (despite what they both claim now) because he voted repeatedly to fund the continued occupation. Hillary wants to fix health care wrong (that'll really fix it alright) while Obama and McCain would not fix it at all. The problem is hundreds of thousands of innocent and involuntary Americans will die easily preventable deaths because of this leadership void. What kind of choice is that?

    spoon
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    Oh, So now you can read minds? Obama spoke out publicly against the war. Dump your vote in the toilet if you must but don't attribute things to Obama that just aren't true.

    Marilynn_Murray
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    So does Hillary (say she opposes the war in Iraq)...now. Why did Obama continually vote to keep funding the Invasion of Iraq if he's so "against" it? Why did he say "now that we're there we can't just leave"? I'm not reading any minds or reporting anything but facts here. Plus I watched him gut real health care reform here in Illinois with Democrats in full control, so I'm not holding my breath on that front either. I've watched him say one thing and do another too many times here in his home state where he's not so "new". I wish I could believe in him, but what he says and what he does so far have not exactly matched up. Good luck with wasting your vote on really slick smoke and mirrors. I was genuinely hopeful once too (when Democrats first gained full control here seven years ago) but found out I was SO naive. Go Ralph. At least Nader honestly means what he says and vice verse....and won't sell us out (unlike Obama and Clinton who already have).

    spoon
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    Spoon "I'm convinced Obama would have voted with Hillary in favor of the Invasion of Iraq" You Didn't? Sorry it just didn't look like facts to me. So Obama gutted the health care there all by himself? Man if we can just get that kind of superman on our team we have it made. What did Nader get last go round? Something like two percent? Just enough to screw things up. Know this the Senate and Congress are in control of the legislation that gets passed. You want something go there. Just make sure you haven't put McCain in the White House to veto it.

    Marilynn_Murray
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    If anyone running (except Ralph) wins I'm probably dead collateral damage along with several hundred thousand other Americans either way. It doesn't really matter to a dead person who is President. One reason I said I thought Obama would have voted to support the Invasion (besides his repeated votes to fund it every chance he had) is because I worked hard and long to try to garner Obama's voice of support (not lift a finger but just give us "the word") for an anti-Iraqi Invasion, pro Single Payer Democratic candidate... when being against the invasion was not considered by either party as a "politically wise" thing to do....and Obama absolutely refused (because our guy was "too progressive"). Obama was instrumental in our state Senate when he and Emil Jones gutted the Health Care Justice Act (so that it would pass a Democratically-controlled Senate after having passed the House as written). They changed the word "shall" to "may". Our candidate here for U.S House that Obama refused to support was smart as a whip, worked harder than anyone I've ever seen, was honest as the day is long, and is an Emergency Room doctor who was very electable... if only the Democratic Party weren't so Republican and would have helped him at all. Sigh. You may not remember but Obama toned down his anti-Iraq rhetoric to dead silence for quite some time when he thought it politically expedient to do so.

    spoon
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    http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=529&Itemid=34

    I am not African American but the people at this site are reading a lot and paying attention.

    spoon
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    Spoon "If anyone running (except Ralph) wins I'm probably dead collateral damage along with several hundred thousand other Americans either way. It doesn't really matter to a dead person who is President" What do you mean?

    Marilynn_Murray
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