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Now, I didn't find an article that Hillary Clinton supporters were doing this because she is a woman, but if anyone has one feel free to post it in this thread so we can then see how dirty all of them are playing this campaign. I think it is despicable to intimidate and threaten superdelegates to vote for a candidate simply based on race or gender. I think if this is indeed going on that Obama should condemn his supporters for it. However, if in the end it winds up that people in this believe that superdelegates should go with their constituency, I would then expect Ted Kennedy and John Kerry to switch to Clinton since the constituents of Massachusetts voted for her, not Obama. We will see however if it even gets down to this. I would think that considering that Obama is supposedly so close to clinching it that it shouldn't.The fact however that it is still so close between them says something different than what we are hearing from the media. However, bullying superdelegates or telling them that if they don't go to a certain candidate just because he is black that their next election will be in jeopardy is just plain unethical. This is why I say, let the people vote.
JanforGore

10 responses // Black Delegates Under Pressure To Switch To Obama

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    Obama has given over 600,000 dollars to superdelegates' campaigns through his PAC, and Clinton over 200,000 through hers. Supporting candidates, or buying votes? Obama may not be taking lobbyist money this time, but he sure did a good job at "lobbying" so perhaps that is why he doesn't have to.

    JanforGore
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    of course ALL the delegates are under tremendous pressure to support a candidate. This is the first election in a long time where delegates might actually have to choose the nominee.

    re:"Obama should condemn it"
    ..no
    Prez candidates cannot be accountable for the actions of their supporters....nor should they address whichever political spin CNN writers decide to to dump onto their viewers that day.

    re: "Ted Kennedy and John Kerry to switch to Clinton since the constituents of Massachusetts voted for her"
    agreed....if the DNC rules were "fair"
    then representatives would be forced to vote w/ constituencies.

    But the current rules do not obligate any delegates (super & non-super)....its too late to change the game this time..,,, most analysts say that super delegates are Clinton's only hope for gaining the nom.

    re:"Obama has given over 600,000 dollars to superdelegates...Supporting candidates, or buying votes"

    PACs don't work that way. They are not directed by candidates.

    If placing "blame" on someone is important, look to Howard Dean and the DNC for a murky, flawed primary system and delegate structure.

    The GOP's system is more simple and decisive...and has afforded the Republican party a clear nominee to start rallying behind, a head start, and a leg up on the race.

    the funniest part is that democrats are in such disarray and r so busy fighting amongst each other, that they will never be able to get their act together in time for the general election.

    http://current.com/items/88852645_man_stabs_brother_in_law_over_clinton_obama_argument

    What's So Great About the Super Delegates:

    smorrisey
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    Well, of course, it's always "too late to change the game." And if you can't see how intimidating and threatening people like this is wrong regardless of who does it, then you really are too biased towards Obama to discuss this reasonably.

    JanforGore
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    Obama is not coercing Super Delegates. That would be their voting constituents who do not support the Clintons' Political Machine. These Super Delegates owe their scepters to the voting mob who could turn on these career politicians during the next election cycle. Nothing is stopping them from supporting Hillary. It's just that, for too many of them, that would be political suicide since their supporters like Obama. These conflicted Delegates are simply faced with the voters' cry for change beginning with them next election cycle, when their constituents vote someone else into their offices, recalling this business.

    The only thing Obama has done was sell his political wares more effectively than Hillary did. This is officially chess, not checkers.

    96thdayofrage
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    I didn't say HE was.

    JanforGore
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    No, you said, " I think if this is indeed going on that Obama should condemn his supporters for it." I'm saying that there is no reason why Obama should condemn the Super Delegates for the dilemma with which they are faced. It is not his fault that their constituents have made clear that supporting Hillary will cost the Delegates constituents support later. They knew the job was hard when they signed on. What they obviously did not know was that Obama was more popular in their districts than the Clintons. Had these supporters been Clintonistas, no such apology or renunciation would ever be demanded. But they aren't. These voters support Obama, and hail from a growing young demographic that will be around a lot longer than the politicians who too early promised Hillary their support as Super Delegates.

    96thdayofrage
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    If this is true, it is unethical, sexist, and the best example of reverse-racism in America today.
    Either way, look at the cloud surrounding Obama.
    He did this to himself.

    Vote Hillary!!!

    walesjames
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    Jan, with the respect you deserve from me, and using your own words : you really are too biased AGAINST Obama to discuss this reasonably.

    jade_azul16
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    No, I'm not. I already stated in the original entry here that if anyone can supply an article showing that Clinton supporters are intimidating and threatening superdelegates to go with her because she is a woman to put it here.This is an article that was posted on CNN, and actual representatives have claimed that they are being intimidated and threatened by Obama supporters to go with him because he is black.That's not my accusation and I didn't make it up. I can absolutely discuss this topic in relation to it being wrong in PRINCIPLE regardless of who does it but it is obvious some cannot. So with all due respect to you, if you have anything to share about any other candidate currently doing this or have something to show that this report is false, please post it here so it can be discussed.

    JanforGore
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    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8762.html

    Matter of fact, I put "clinton threatening superdelegates" into a search engine, and all I got were articles about black delegates stating they are being intimidated, harrassed, and being called "Uncle Toms" for not switching to Obama.
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    Black backers steadfast for Clinton

    By: Josephine Hearn
    Feb 28, 2008 06:38 PM EST
    Updated: February 29, 2008 05:56 PM EST
    African-American superdelegates said Thursday that they’ll stand up against threats, intimidation and “Uncle Tom” smears rather than switch their support from Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton to Sen. Barack Obama.

    “African-American superdelegates are being targeted, harassed and threatened,” said Rep. Emanuel Cleaver II (D-Mo.), a superdelegate who has supported Clinton since August. Cleaver said black superdelegates are receiving “nasty letters, phone calls, threats they’ll get an opponent, being called an Uncle Tom.

    “This is the politics of the 1950s,” he complained. “A lot of members are experiencing a lot of ugly stuff. They’re not going to talk about it, but it’s happening.”

    After civil rights icon Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.) switched his support from Clinton to Obama earlier this week, other black superdelegates have come under renewed pressure to do a similar about-face. A handful have bowed to the entreaties in recent weeks, including Georgia Rep. David Scott, but many say they are steadfast in their support for Clinton and resent strong-arm tactics to make them change.

    Rep. Diane E. Watson (D-Calif.), a black lawmaker and Clinton backer, said the intense lobbying for Obama would not alter her vote.

    “I’ve gotten threatening mail,” Watson said. “They say, ‘Your district went 61-29 Obama and you need to change.’ But I don’t intimidate. I can hold the ground. … I would lose my seat over my principles.”

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    Are they lying?

    JanforGore

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