Russia urges halt to Israeli settlements, supplies armoured vehicles to Palestine

Why do these deals have to go through Israel? There is no third party involved in the weapons deals between the United States and Israel and yet Israel has to agree to the sale of weaponry to Palestine?

I don't understand the logic....

because its apartheid bro..you knnow that! what I hope is that some of the SPARE parts include a few turrents and .50 cals isreal is a cancer on this planet...point blank. and the only reason isreal wants to halt the shippment is so they can inspect them and figure out where they need to shoot them with f15s...isreal need to be attacked by all sides, and hamas and hezbollah..syria, jordan, eqypt...iran...need to put their balls on and wake up. you can only deal with isreal one way...destroy it.! destroy that racist government and give the people back their land. it might be hard to get them all to live together, but thats what needs to happen.

Good for Russia. Yes, why does Israel approve or disapprove deals with the independent state of Palestine?

Oh yes, they aren't independent - they are occupied.

Since the South African people weren't happy with such an occupation, why would anyone expect a nasty, oppressive Israeli occupation to be liked any better?

And they say they don't cause or provoke the hatred!? Rrrrrrrriiiiiiiiihhhhhhhhhggggggggttttt!!!!!!!!

Give back the land with the nice homes to the Palestinians and grow up already.

i mean the us is occupying iraq and it isnt going very well either? the british occupied northern ireland and it didnt go very well, isreal occupied lebanon and it didnt go very well, so really? what makes you think its going to go well? china in tibet? the french in algeria, morrocco and vietnam....didnt go well.

i hope the iraqis start laying the smack down on us troops...i hope the palestinians seriously get their hands on a GOOD device and ge the isrealis out...and the chechens lay the smackdown on the russians.......

serves them all right?

I hope no one gets hurt, but I hope that everyone gets their God given, inalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Any thing else by anyone is an abomination and an offense to whatever God you salute to.

You know, I gave this post a positive response, but the counter recorded it as a negative response. What's up with that?

It's a conspiracy!

hahaha.....damn isrealis!!

Must be. And at the same time as I gave that positive vote, my phone rang but nobody was there, AND a pencil dropped on the floor!

Imagine that?

There's always one anti-semite in the group. Did'nt Jordan, Egypt attept a war in the 60's? Did'nt that war last 6 days? The Western world would'nt let something like that go down, price of oil wpuld shoot too high for them. But I hear the 5th Republic is looking for a few members more as their support is waining. Might want to look into it.

Why is dick ball licker Cheney in Israel.

ever been to Israel or the Middle East for that matter, okinawanmajik?

anti-semite? just because i dont support isreal? i dont support australia either, that make me anti-aussi? or whatever the equivalent?

you people are like the morons that are tripping over the "typical white person" comment. you take what you want and disregard the rest. I said I do not like the ISREALI GOV. their policies towards the palestinians..and to me it warrants their destruction...the GOV! that being GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, IDF, etc...

as for the middle east, yes i have. I went to the most pimped place in region...dubai..fucking awsome son!!

i was going to go to saudi arabia, but my american on my passport prevented me at the last minute. my pops used to do "survaillance" there in the 90's in riyaad, tabuk and jedda.

yes i am aware of egypt attacking during the yom kippur war...thats the only time if i can remember. look...the history of the place is one thing, the actions of its government is another. because of the actions, the murderous actions and separatists and apartheid actions of the isreali gov, is what makes me not care about what happens to gov officials. it makes me cringe to say i dont care if the governmental officials died..im not going to lie, but if the greater good is they die...so more people can live. their killing does one of two things....creates more killing, or puts an end to it. im not against jews...i dig judaism. my faith comes from judaism. im intelligent enough to know that fact actually. i know history enough that the muslim/jewish conflict as it is now is only about 100 years old. prior to that, a few skirmishes between armies here and there, but there was never a religious war. now christians...thats another story.

Paranoid much? When did I call an anti-semite?

Jews were getting murdered in Muslim countries much further back than 100 years. How could there be "skirmishes" between armies, when Jews didn't have their own country or army back then??

Ya, ya, ya, ya! The Hatfields and the McCoys!

And all the rest of the world sits back in wonderment at how stupidly self-destructive they are.

You can justify anything - if you try. Doesn't make you right - makes you a fool trying to force "your right" on the world - makes you a murderer killing people in an effort to impose "your right" on the world.

The fact is, billions of people on this planet do not support the provocative occupation, needless killing of Palestinian people as a pretense to steal their land.

The world is changing. The tide is turning. What goes up, comes down. Be nice, play nice. Learn from history - lest you repeat it.

jlaboy - there's always someone in the group who can rationalize murder. Their profile indicates they are a psychopath.

jlaboy - there's always someone in the group who can rationalize inhuman treatment of others. Their profile indicates they are a psychopath.

jlaboy - there's always someone in the group willing to use any desperate tactic against those people who disagree with them. Their profile indicates they are a psychopath.

jlaboy - there are always MANY who abhor violence and have healthy disdain for those who perpetrate it. Their profile indicates they are compassionate for human life.

Who are you j-boy?

Here in predominately Christian United States of America where despite the evils committed by the Busheney organization, we believe in treating others as we want to be treated - the vast majority of the population does not support the oppression, violence and aggression committed against the Palestinians - the bought and paid for traitors in our government do, but it isn't true loyalty - it's loyalty among thieves, and you know what that's worth!

It's never good when Russia and the US get on opposite side of a issue like this. Even thought US seems to support both sides in one way or another.

IF there ever is a WW III it won't be franz ferdinad, but some one from the middle east.

I would not assume the US people would back Israel, especially after the Afghanistan / Iraq deception perpetrated on the American people - designed Wolfowitz.

yelen, there are more than just you here, and if you go back....yes someone said i was anti semetic.

as for your argument of muslims not having skirmishes with jews because they didnt have a nation yet...i didnt say isrealis i said JEWS...jews were around before the .....i dont really have to explain that out do it? as for the issue of the plo. umm why did the plo exist? or abu nidal, or hamas, or hezbolla (which only was created in 82') and islamic jihad...and all of them...why did they exist? because of israel and its aggression. even the un has a laundry list of resolutions against isreal..

http://www.actionforunrenew.ndo.co.uk/pages/isreal_un_r...
(scroll down ...its in the middle of the page....the numbers and reasons. all verified)

and yes if you are jewish and knew your history....you would know that muslims and jews lived rather harmonious for centuries. across the middle east and africa. jews fought with muslims against various tribes and often broke fast together when their fasts coincided. so i want a return to those times...it is possible. but never was there a time..modern or otherwise when muslims as a practice actively corralled jews for the sole purpose of killing and controlling them. now i will admit, when mohammed fought the meccans to establish islam as the dominant faith in that area...when he was kicked out ...his medinans allied with the jews to defeat the meccans! so to the jews, i thank you for your help in the creation of my faith. and one further...the muslims were a people and mohammed (pbuh) after defeating them, called himself and everyone else muslims...but the muslims were originally a different group of people...and those old muslims DID persecute jews..mohammed put an end to that. because he said that it would create permanent enemies. one of his advisers was a jew. hell his highest advisor was an african slave named bilal. of course you know all this..im sorry for educating you about something you know all about...

So you are telling me that the Jews treated as second class citizens in Muslim countries such as Iran, Iraq, Syria, etc, were treated in this way because of Israel??
It's absolutely not true, and there was countless violence between Muslims and Jews prior to Israel. There has been violence between other groups as well, obviously, but you are over-simplifying the creation of Israel and its consequences.

It is not simply a conflict of religion...most Israelis are secular. And your kind of reasoning is deterrent to solving the issues at hand. You cannot simply say "if this country did not exist, than....." It's childish and doesn't solve anything.

bro, the issue with me isnt the religions of the two. my issue is with the isrealis not jews. ive said this many times already...if i say jews, then everyone will jump my ass, plus i dont believe that....the isreali secular or otherwise is the evil that needs to be wiped. its the isreali "POSITION" that i have an issue with. in fact, today I wrote to the secretary general of the UN, (im sure he wont get it, but i sent it) isreal commits human rights abuses after human rights abuse. the palestinians although not blame less do more retalitory anger for their subjugation attacks rather than what the isrealis do.....attack, humiliate, and kill because they do not respect the pals and they cant just kill them all. their position is to do that and make it worse and worse so the jordanians and lebanese will take them in leaving them all the land. if you are jewish you know this to be true. i hear all the time...well they can just go there..jordan is 98% palestinian anyways...what do jews have? there is simply no positive position the isrealis have, and since they wont change, i am all for destroying the place. what they are doing to the pals is nothing less than what the germans did to them. its like..hey remember that shit the nazis did to us....yea that shit sucked.....yup, lets do it to them......YAAAAAAH!! its almost mean to say, but to me, isrealis are nazi's and for all we know, the prisons that are full of pals that were never tried...but held for years....are to me like the gas chambers with no gas.

a jewish person probably wont like to hear that...but what their people are doing to the pals....is nothing more than extermination. and brother....its wrong. i hope they get what they have coming....and if iran had some nuts, they'd act!

For argument's sake, let's put the politics aside. If you are advocating for the human rights of one group...how can you in the same sentence advocate for the destruction of Israel by Iran?
You do realize that Israel also has the same innocent civilians, children, elderly, women, etc? If you are saying that it's the government you disagree with, then why advocate violence towards an entire nation?!

okinawanmajik and voyagerfilms, i recognize that the actions of the Israeli government as of late have been both stupid and at times hypocritical. Despite this fact, these actions neither merits nor require any nation, government, or person to be killed.

As YelenLoud said, you can't advocate human rights for one group and ask for the others to be killed. Getting into a game fo finger pointing and "they started it first" wont solve anything because both sides, Palestinians and Israelis, have killed many 'innocent' and 'guilty'. The difference is in the methods used in trying to accomplish ones goals. Strapping bombs to your chest and running into a crowed resturant is no way to have requests met, just as shooting machine guns at kids throwing rocks is no way to quell riots and stop attacks.

The truth is that both sides are guilty and both sides need to stop trying to kill each other and learn to co-exist peacefully.

Note: It is very difficult for government/group 1 to negotiate with government/group 2 if gov/group 2 calls for the total obliteration of gov/group 1.

Yes, if you are against the aussie's you would be considered anti aussie, if you are against arabs, you would be anti arab. Is that simple enough for you to comprehend, or should I dumb it down some more?

anti-Semites are those that bring up the faults of Israel and the Jewish people out of proportion to the rest of the world. If you are going to bring up Israel as a supposed violator of human rights, you better be bringing up radical Islamic groups as well. Otherwise you are singling out one nation for your own reasons.

Boom, Yelen has said it better than I. If you advocate war, and the deaths of innocent civillians, that is exacly what I would call you. As far as who jlaboy is, he does not advocate the murder of innocent people. If that's your cup uf tea voyager, by all means drink it. I hope you as a christian goes to Palistine and enlists in a jihad. See how long you last once you croos the boarder. Also, sweat story about the old man who did " survaillance" I will sleep better at night now

Govt never cares for the feelings of their nation, people like you will never be heard...

All of you want peace and harmony on the planet but wait that'll hit the Weapon's Industry :o and who'll pay trillions of dollars in Taxes to the Govt.?

listen, i understand that it is pretty dumb to with a people killed...thats not entirely or exactly what im saying...it might look or read that way, but its not...

this is my point.....and ill use an analogy on race..only good one i have.

white people are in charge...and hate black people because they are not white, treat them bad because they can, discriminate against them, and sometimes if given the opportunity..lynch a few. beat them up often..sick dogs on them and make their lives hell. blacks did nothing to provoke this aside from being black..they were born cursed in the eyes of the white people.

black people are minorities and hate whites. not because they are white, but because of the BS that whites did to them. they are discriminated against and often refused work, housing and decent wages all because they are black. they are stereotyped harrassed and often beat up. so for protection like minded people that are fed up decide to not only protect themselves in numbers, but fight back to prevent the whites from attacking them (making the point, if you dont like it, then how do you think we feel)

now the whites think that the area or country is theirs..just because. and no one else has any claim to it. blacks just wanna live without being fucked with. if white could have it their way, they would rather not have blacks around at all so they decide to round them up and put them in the everglades. the whites determine whether or not they get food, water, electricity and medicine because if the blacks had any sense of self determination, they would realize that they deserved better..so they have to live dependent upon the whites in the everglades, and it sucks there..cant leave, no citizenship..no jobs..and the only work they can do is to be servants or laborers of the whites. some blacks are so pissed off for being moved onto this shit ass swamp that they launch rockets out of the everglades and it hits a few brand new houses that were built on the site of the blacks old houses. the whites are like "OHH HELL NAW!!" and go into the everglades with pontoon boats with gun turrants and many troops. we wanna get those guys that are terrorizing us whites. (never mind that everyday when the blacks go to a check point in homestead, they get humiliated and arrested because they "fit the discription" or just for fun by the whites.
finally the blacks have had enough and pick the roughest toughest group to lead them out of the everglades so they can (not get their own country or anything) GET THEIR HOMES BACK! the whites knowing full well who this group is, steps up their attacks and mean behavior. and for the next 60 years its tit for tat..
the whites argue that they are defending their land..and the blacks just want 1. to get the whites to stop fucking with them, and 2. to get their houses back.

in all this, people who arent actively in the fight get killed...on both sides. who's fault is it? who is in the right? who is the aggressor? who is the defender? are the blacks that grouped up to defend themselves and sometimes acted offensively in the wrong? are the whites who are defending their homes in the right? are the blacks terrorists? are the whites?

im only using white and black for this example...not making a race issue at all...necessarily

also, the whites can only sustain their aggression against the blacks from weapons supplied by the mexicans.

do the mexicans share in the repression against the blacks?

That analogy is all well and good, except your entire premise is wrong. You are stating right off the bat that whites hate blacks and vice versa...even before the issues with the land. This is not the case in Israel. There was no ingrained hatred towards the Arabs by the Jews.

One fact all of you have failed to recognize; Israel has in the past traded land when a true partner for peace is involved. ...See my above link. The Sinai is Huge piece of land that Israel left in order to make a deal with Egypt. BTW there were many settlements there and they were removed.

When Israel left Gaza most of what they left behind was looted and demolished, and now used to launch Rockets into Israel.

If only Hamas wanted peace, there would already be Israel and Palestine right now. Also keep in mind Hamas murdered their own people because they were Fatah!... nice group of people allot of you seem to support!

I am not saying Israel is perfect but the Israeli leadership will not celebrate in the streets when Palestinian civilians are killed.

I will remind all of you Gandhi freed India with "Passive Resistance"... I hope both sides of this conflict find their Gandhi, ....and I suggest allot of you read some of his teachings, hopefully you can find some inner peace.

bro, to say that isrealis dont dance in the streets when pals are killed would be wrong. and you know it. when isreal and egypt made their deal to give egypt back the sinai, egypt had to do acknowledge isreals existance...and accept it. same for jordan. which was whatever it was, basically isreal wants all those people to grovel at their feet. hell shit is what it is. but the issue at this point..because rehashing is pointless, is what to do with the palestinians. pro isreal people will constantly say, well they had deals on the table and the pals did nothing ....and thats true. at that dime the pals basically wanted their HOMES back...not land per se but their actual homes. isreal said, we dont want you here, its ours to build our country now. The only reason the pals are on the west bank is by design. so they would be pushed more and more into jordan....and there is an isreali position that basically wants to jordan to assimilate the palestinians into jordan. probably isreal is more willing to give alittle land..the land that has not been used for settlements and say we will give jordan this land and all the pals and we keep this for us. and egypt the gaza strip back, to assimilate the pals there. its all by design to get them off where isreal wants to finally settle.

as for my analogy, its not scientific. i know there are holes, but thats all i could use, but the issue of the whites hating blacks off the back isnt supposed to be real world application, i was using that in place of religion. i didnt want to use exact specifics.. all the contingencies were metephorically substituted. now if you go back and re read it knowing that, maybe you will see my point and the logic behind it.

overall, i dont think it should be split up myself (isreal). and all this can be faulted by the zionists from the 1800's. but like s africa, although there are differences, if isreal wanted to look like the greater of the two, they should say you know what? screw this, lets make one nation, with everyone a citizen, and not only will we include the W bank and gaza, but we will help build up the refugee camp areas into fully functioning cities and towns. create representative local governments, and dissolve the current government, and include palestinian representatives. allow right of return of those with legitimate claims, and all those without, create a system to allow them to build homes. if hamas and other groups still bitch and whine, THEN you have an action against them. at that point you have a criminal group vs true inclusive coalition gov. the thing is, JEWS WONT DO THIS. thats the only time i will say that, but that is a fact. moreso than the pals. i think given the right of return...and true inclusion...the palestinians will go along with it...right wing settlers which equals ALL SETTLERS will say isreal was promised to jews only. and fight it because they dont want to share.