Should Obama Drop Out of the Race?

Obama is raising twice as much money as Clinton. He is more articulate, perhaps even smarter. Obama has every right to fight until the end.

I agree with this story to an extent. The problem is that we can't have both as president and the democrats are shooting themselves in the foot right now. Obama can't win without superdelagates either. So it is not a valid argument to tell hillary to drop out when the two canidates are more or less tied. When I look at the numbers a large amount of clinton voters say they will vote for mccain if obama is the nominee and vice versa. So with either canidate the democrats are in trouble. The numbers don't look good for either side. So it is not logical to say that either should drop out. It is more logical to have a Obama-Clinton ticket or a Clinton-Obama ticket.

Yep, and judging from the look on his face he didn't like your question gaffer.

Here's an interesting quote from the article: "The party I knew loved a good fight, loved debating the issues, recognized the value of a high-profile, hard-fought primary battle -- and believed in giving everyone a fair shot. Today, the Democratic Party's turned into a bunch of weak-willed weenies."

The problem is that Hillary isn't debating the issues -- she's attacking Obama personally.

Here's a couple of interesting points:

1) The Clinton Political Machine is one of the most powerful in history. Bill Clinton is our most recent and most popular President. He has access to an insane amount of cash from donors and has political capital and political connections that are undreamed of by mere mortals. Hillary, a rather undistinguished one-term Senator from New York has access to all that power.

2) Obama entered this race as basically an unknown. People who saw Hillary Clinton's name on the ballot instantly knew who she was and associated good feelings toward Hillary because they had such overwhelming love for Bill. During the beginning months of the Primary anyone who didn't watch the debates (and even those that did) would vote for Hillary AUTOMATICALLY simply because they had absolutely no idea who that guy with crazy sounding Muslim name was.

And despite all her power, money and political connections Obama is beating her!

This feat can't be brushed off. The fact that this unknown who began this race without even a fraction of Clinton's money, power, connections and, heck, even pledged delegates is an upset so historic that we'll be reading about it 100 years from now.

For Obama to beat the all-powerful Clinton Political Machine is a testament to the power of his policies, personality and message.

Some people want to rewrite history and make it seem as though Hillary's STAGGERING loses to the unknown Senator with the funny Muslim sounding name doesn't mean anything. Think of Woody Allen punching Mike Tyson and knocking him out. Yeah, it's that shocking a upset.

It tells me that Hillary isn't nearly as beloved as what her (few remaining) supporters insist. Anyone with that much political advantage from day one losing to a relative unknown must say alot about how "iffy" we all were about supporting Mrs. Bill Clinton to begin with.

And another thing....people claim, "Why are you guys afraid of a debate?"

We're not. But Hillary isn't debating. She doesn't attack Obama on policy issues -- she attacks him on Rev. Wright, a personal issue. Obama, it must be noted, is polite enough not to question Hillary's judgement regarding Bill's many, many extramarital indiscretions.

Hillary gave up debating her healthcare plan long ago and instead makes ads insisting that we'll all be putting our lives in danger if Obama is elected because he doesn't have the critical and necessary 8 years of experience being First Lady that Hillary has.

If all Hillary can do now is snipe from the sidelines, yeah, she does need to pack up what's left of her sputtering Political Machine and go home. She got knocked out by an unknown and now all she's doing is giving McCain ammunition for the General out of spite.

More or less tied isn't tied.

One candidate is leading. One is trailing with very little mathematical chance to catch up in any of the measures. I think Clinton should make up her own mind when to get out of the race. Nobody can make that decision for her. But...we shouldn't we get all bent out of shape when people express their opinion about what effects her decision will have. It's a free country.

I agree with Press on some of his points but his introduction of electoral votes as a measure in the primaries is ridiculous. I expect he knows that.

Bill Press is out of touch with reality.

The race is over. Clinton's chances of winning are slimmer than Kate Moss on a diet and instead of running a positive campaign (like her republican counterpart Huckabee), Hillary's only hurting the democratic party by tearing down its inevitable nominee.

I find myself in an almost constant state of disagreement with sfgaffer. But I have to say...gaffer is funny. And almost always good natured.

I'd like to applaud that.

Peace Brother!

Clinton/Obama anyone???

indeed, krag2112... and I could only wish I were the great Artis himself!

Burningbush,sfgaffer, and ArtisGilmoreHOF, I think you have not looked at the polls close enough. I said that large amount of Clinton voters would vote for McCain instead of Obama, if Obama wins the nomination. Also recent polls show that if hillary gets the nomination Obama supporters just will not vote or they will vote for McCain. I agree that this primary fight is tearing the democratic party apart, however, I think if Hillary drops out Obama won't win because Hillary's voters will turn to McCain. This is because the competition between the two canidates is so heated that if EITHER canidate is selected there will be so much animosity between the Hillary voters and the Obama voters that NEITHER will be able to win. That is why I say we need a Obama-Clinton ticket or vice versa. I like Obama I just don't think the party can choose between these two great canidates and win. They are tearing the party apart because they are both too good.

Burningbush,sfgaffer, and ArtisGilmoreHOF, I think you have not looked at the polls close enough. I said that large amount of Clinton voters would vote for McCain instead of Obama, if Obama wins the nomination. Also recent polls show that if hillary gets the nomination Obama supporters just will not vote or they will vote for McCain. I agree that this primary fight is tearing the democratic party apart, however, I think if Hillary drops out Obama won't win because Hillary's voters will turn to McCain. This is because the competition between the two canidates is so heated that if EITHER canidate is selected there will be so much animosity between the Hillary voters and the Obama voters that NEITHER will be able to win. That is why I say we need a Obama-Clinton ticket or vice versa. I like Obama I just don't think the party can choose between these two great canidates and win. They are tearing the party apart because they are both too good.

Theheymn

Understand this. Hillary has lost. The race is past tense. Over. Done. The fat lady has sung. The chicken's in the oven and the goose is cooked (whatever that means).

I suggest you keep tabs on...

The Hillary Deathwatch
http://www.slate.com/id/2188260/

Theheymn,
I respect your opinion on this, but I disagree. Right now, it seems like the rift between Obama and Clinton supporters is an insurmountable chasm. But people have a pretty short attention span these days and there is a long time between now and November. I think once the nomination is won and the loser (I hope Hillary) has endorsed and is campaigning for the winner (I hope Obama) most of the supporters will fall in line. They might not be happy about it, but I think it will happen (even if my hopes don't come true).

In the end, I don't think many democrats, independents and even a fair amount of republicans want to see what would be effectively a third Bush term. No mater how much personal affection people might or might not have for John McCain.

Of course that's one man's opinion.

I do think this war between the democrats could go on too long (say past the first of July) and get to a point where it is doing damage. And I do think that if either democratic candidate is seen as having stolen the nomination we could see some damage in the general. I just don't think we are there yet.

Burning bush do you know nothing?
Did you know that it is impossible for Obama to get the magic 2024 delegates needed to win the nomination before the convention? Yes I mean mathematically impossible.
Neither canidate has won or will win before the convention. Both canidates will need superdelegates in order to win. If Hillary wins Penn big which polls show she will then she will have gained more momentum. Then they will be at the convention and Obama will be leading. They should give Obama the nomination. Right? Wrong, because Hillary and her supporters will say that Florida and Michigan should have counted and she is really in the lead. So after the convention, no matter who wins, the losing side will feel cheated and polls show they will not vote for the winner of the democrats. Krag2112 I like you but you forget McCain attracts independents and moderates so it is true that a good amount of angry democrats will end up voting for him. Remember how all the crazy conservative hosts talk about how McCain is too liberal. Trust me McCain won several states because of independent voters not republicans.

96thdayfrage never say I sound like fox news. Also my point is Obama will not win the amount of delegates needed to win the nomination by the convention either meaning he needs superdelegates also. I am saying that
if this goes to the convention(which it really could it is probable) everybody will be angry. The losers will be so angry they will vote for the moderate republican. McCain attracts independent voters. Don't be so sure that Obama has won. You might be disappointed.

you also forget that conservatives don't like McCain because he is too liberal. All he has to do is say- after the democrats have had their bloodbath of a convention-I am a MODERATE republican and the hurt losers of the democratic party will think he didn't cheat his way to the nomination and he is not a conservative. Don't tell me independents don't vote for McCain.

Also guys I am not being radical. All I am saying is the democratic party needs a Obama-Clinton ticket. Why are you guys so against a winning ticket like that.

Obama-Clinton?

Consider how much raw political power Mrs. Bill Clinton had when she started -- the money, the donors, the political connections. Hell, she was practically best friends with a quarter of the super-delegates!

And she lost -- really, really lost -- to some unknown Senator with a scary Muslim sounding name.

To most people this would be a hint of just how deeply unpopular she is!

We supported her in the beginning because we assumed we had no choice.

The Clinton Political Machine was so overwhelmingly powerful that we all just collectively sighed, held our noses and just went along with what we assumed would be the inevitable coronation ceremony of Bill Clinton's wife.

And then something odd happened.

We voted.

Incredibly, against all odds, we saw a miracle happen. The unknown, the nobody, the skinny guy with the scary Muslim name WON! Again. And again. And again. And....again!

Hillary had more power, more name recognition, more cash, more political connections at the start of a democratic Primary than ANY candidate in history -- and she still lost.

But she didn't lose to Al Gore or some other very well known and connected superstar.

She lost to a unknown BLACK Senator that nobody had ever heard of with a scary sounding Muslim name.

Just how unpopular do you have to be to pull off that kind of a losing streak to a black, unknown Muslim sounding one-term Senator like Obama when you had so much power going for you at the start?

Isn't that proof of just how much Hillary is disliked by the public?

So....why would Obama want such a "winner" as Hillary as VP?

Hey Theheymn,

Does Obama have a scary Muslim name? I don't think you've mentioned that enough. (I think I've counted 4 times in one time)

I don't think an Obama/Clinton ticket is a good idea. It would only hurt Obama's chances of winning in the general. There have been many polls shown that Obama barely beats McCain and McCain barely beats Clinton. I think this is because there are Independents and Republicans that would rather vote for Obama than McCain. But many Republicans have a strong hatred towards Hillary Clinton and would pick McCain over her.

Only if that guy shaves his face. He looks like a wino!