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Are Hillary and McCain actually proving Obama's point - Re: Jaded/bitter voters?


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Campaign organizers asked Obama what to expect when they volunteered to help him in Pennsylvania -- he said it would be difficult to get his message out because, basically, the citizens of Pennsylvania are out of work and bitter (read: jaded) about politicians making political promises when it comes to jobs and the economy. For decades Bush the First and Slick Willy, er, Bill Clinton all swore on Bibles that they'd bring jobs back and they never did. That's why those voters ignore economic promises and focus more on wedge issues like teaching Intelligent Design in schools (religion), worrying the UN will take away all our guns and enslave us (guns) and worrying about whether or not gays can marry (the evil "them" that is causing all their problems). All in all a rather innocuous common sense statement. Except he said "bitter" instead of "jaded."

And thus the media shit storm began.

One can almost see the near-dead Hillary burst out laughing, clap her hand triumphantly together and shout, "Finally! Now we can crush this little piss ant that dares to take my crown!"

And then came the images we're all familiar with by now. A sober, solemn Hillary speaking softly in the microphone about how (sniff) "disappointed" she was the Obama said that all poor people are evil, racists and stupid and deserve to die. She paused a moment to compose herself -- obviously still shaken to the core about Obama's rant against the commoners -- only to press on and explain that SHE doesn't want to murder all poor people like Obama does. Oh no! Just the opposite. She wants to help them!

And then she went on to explain that she knows how horrible NAFTA is and even though she spent a solid decade praising its accomplishments, secretly she was trying to dismantle it. "I might have been cheerleading NAFTA in the media and said shipping all your jobs to Mexico was a good thing in public, but in private I fought for you! Honest!"

A double talk so blatant that it almost comes off as a unfunny SNL skit.

But the bitter/jaded voters of Penn. are used to politicians like Hillary saying ANYTHING to get elected.

Hillary then went on explain that while Obama wants to ban all firearms and imprison the entire United States and form a one world government -- SHE however loves guns! Loves'em! In fact, she goes out hunting every Sunday. Owns at least 15 different rifles! Yup, yup!

Riiiigth. More double talk, but the voters of Penn. are used to politicians saying anything they have to.

Hillary and McCain then made one of the most ironic comments in this whole donnybrook. Essentially they both feigned indignation that Obama would say these things in "San Fransisco!" They clucked their tongues and dramatically rolled their eyes and said, "Obama claims small town America is intolerant and close-minded? Ha! Well, of course he'd say that to those (wink, wink) light in the loafer millionaires in San Fransisco! Everyone knows no one San Fransisco is a 'real' American!"

Hmmm. Kinda of an odd observation to make, isn't it? How of course "those people" in snooty and queer San Fransisco just don't understand "real" Americans that live in Pennsylvania.

Obama makes an observation that small town Americans in the Rust Belt are jaded and bitter when it comes to political promises.

Both McCain and Hillary then proceed to say anything and promise everything to capitalize on what they view as a potential Obama misstep (not on par with dodging nonexistent sniper fire, but a misstep).

They then both go on to explain that Obama doesn't "get it" if he think small town America is close minded and dislikes outsiders -- but then proceed to explain that "those people" in San Fransisco Obama spoke to are not real Americans because they aren't poor, talk funny and live in a big city.

Aren't these two jackasses (pardon my French) just proving Obama's point?
crob80227

27 responses // Are Hillary and McCain actually proving Obama's point - Re: Jaded/bitter voters?

  • People in the crowd in Fort Wayne and Muncie on the day after his comments hit the air certainly didn't think he was out of touch. Those are the type of areas that can certainly understand it. I wouldn't say they were bitter, more like apathetic completely disbelieving of any help coming from washington, but at the same time expectant of it. I don't think its a preferable state people want to believe help is coming. But in the rustbelt, and in apalachia help has been promised for a long long time. My great aunt is still working at the age of seventy. She drives more than three hours a day for a minimum wage job despite thirty years experience as a seamstress. Believe me as far as government is concerned she's bitter. She lost her job to NAFTA, the factory relocated and a small town of 1,200 lost 200 jobs. One in six people were laid off jsut like that and she felt the government was responsible. How should she feel? I think Obama's phrasing was poor but the comment is true and two free trade supporters are now his detractors. I think that does prove his comments a bit.
    ocanada
  • Crob80227 - ya know, about what you said, it's like, well, gee dude, that was really kinda - well, on the mark.
    VoyagerFilms
  • It took me a while to digest your post. I had to read it twice.

    I wonder if trusting in either McCain or Clinton is wise considering that they have been living under blankets of millions of dollars in personal earnings, while the Obamas have been earning in the mere hundreds of thousands of dollars. Sounds to me like they are more in touch with the working class; at least recently, than either of the other two.

    McCain may not have been living under millions of dollars in personal wealth as much as Clinton, but he also has that "Good Ol Boy" Republican image to either uphold or contend with; depending on which side of the political divide you are on.
    jubal
  • jubal, McCain's wife is filthy rich. Obama seems to be the only one that has actually lived like the multitudes. I trust he is young enough not to have forgotten.
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    Marilynn_Murray
  • "Aren't these two ........ just proving Obama's point?"

    I certainly hope so. HC might have gotten more mileage out of this if she had just ignored it. The talking heads are Keeping this ball in the air without her help.
    seeker561
  • Obviously neither McCain nor Hillary really think Obama dislikes the working class of the Midwest.

    So why are they all over the media saying that, yeah, they really do think that Obama has a real hatred for the working class?

    Because their acting like typical old-school politicans who will say anything to win. If the only way to win is by tearing Obama down and saying they believe things about him that they actually don't believe -- then they will do it.

    After a few decades of that kind of cyncial political maneuvering, Clintonian triangulation and game playing, yeah, most small town voters are jaded, bitter and disillusioned about any and all of the political promises politicans make during a campaign season.

    It seems like McCain and his running mate Hillary's attempt to capitalize on Obama's poor phrasing is just a cynical attempt by them to pander to the crowd to win votes -- even though everyone knows neither McCain nor his VP really believe Obama "hates" the working class.

    It just so typical.
    crob80227
  • M, that is very interesting to know. McCains wife has millions....so he has been a lap dog too.


    I think I am starting to like Obama more because he was poorer and closer to myself; economically.


    I used to fault him for being a Harvard Grad as if everybody that came from their were indoctrinated into some secret society. I guess not everybody that goes through that institution has the worst intentions for the working class.
    jubal
  • To answer the title's question...yes.
    huntre
  • Barack Obama's the people's choice. The beginning of the 21st century Poor People's Campaign has begun. Yes , American's have become bitter and if you dont agree chances are you are part of the "elite".
    amirct3
  • With the mentality displayed by both McFane and Hillbillary, I'd think they both were Republicans.

    Here's the trick of a criminal mind: accuse the innocent of your own sin, before it is exposed in themselves.

    You know this kind of person, they are the bully in elementary school who shoves a nice kid who shoves back, then the bully goes to the teacher and tells on the nice kid.

    You've experienced this sort of person as an adult also. This is the sort that is breaking the law, but like the school bully, to cover their tracks, accuses an innocent who usually pays the price - because of a general lack of intelligence and selfish desire to appear to be "tough on crime" on the part of prosecutors in the hopes of promotion then unleashes the wrath of our tax dollars and their ability to play on the ignorance and susceptibility of "a jury of our peers".

    Ya, Hill-bill-ary and McWarring, take a hike you selfish pigs. No doubt, you've got a nice air conditioned office waiting for you in Dubai next to Cheney's.

    Does it sound like I'm bitter or jaded?

    VoyagerFilms
  • I say bring it on. They're not only proving his point, they're conditioning him for the long run. They keep slinging the mud and it keeps sliding off. I think time and time again, in situations like these, you can truly see a candidate's true character.
    Neghie
  • Once again... who cares?? Lets stick to the issues and vote accordingly instead of trying to dissect a person's entire political make up from one statement. We are looking for ways to divide ourselves, once again, instead of keeping focus on what matters... which is getting these GOP fools out of the House.
    AreOh
  • Disclaimer: I don't particularly like Obama. This isn't fanboy drivel.

    I feel like Obama's comments are only lost on outsiders. I grew up in a small Pennsylvania town that was hit hard as Bethlehem Steel closed, and the cement market slowed. I know these people, and they are bitter, and they know it.

    Unfortunately many people the comment wasn't directed at are interpreting it as an offense. To them it seems as if he is discounting religion or jumping on the gun-hate bandwagon. And that can hurt him in the general election. I think most of PA gets his point and he will have swayed many voters to his side, but outside the communities he was discussing I fear he may be having a Biden-esque moment.
    jpoRS
  • jpoRS, Not me, I think I understand what you are saying, and I agree.
    Marilynn_Murray
  • I'm not worried about Obama's ability to run circles around McCain in a general debate.

    Obama has distinguished himself as a master orator -- McCain can barely stay awake long enough to mutter a half-hearted rebuttal!

    The broader point this situation is making has to do with how Obama is different than Hillary in terms of politics.

    That McCain cynically tried to use Obama's comments to create the illusion that the GOP love the working class isn't surprising to anyone.

    What is surprising and revealing is that Hillary did the exact same thing.

    Watching a Republican trying to splice someone's words to create class warfare in a hamfisted manner isn't shocking to anyone -- that Hillary would do the exact same thing in a last ditch desperate attempt to damage Obama speaks volumes about what a Hillary Presidency would be like.

    And it ain't pretty.
    crob80227
  • As long as the 'talking heads' control the spin, it doesn't matter who runs circles around who, they will spin the circle the way they want.

    The 'talking heads' are responsible for the situtation we are in today. Had they not done what they did in the 2000 election, we would have had 8 years of Al Gore.

    Al Gore would not have led us down the path to war. Al Gore would not have ruined our economy for his cronie friends to get rich at our expense. He may have spent our tax dollars, but it would have been to research alternative energy and things that would have benefited us, not possibly destroy us.
    Conniepae
  • Good point Conniepae.
    crob80227
  • Honestly, the only point that was proven by all of this is that All politicians will lie when their butts are on the line. Even Obama will lie when he needs to.

    The real issues are only being addressed in ways that are patronizing to the rest of us, by people who don't really care about anything other than what's in their own little world but are willing to don the shit eating grin while they make stories up to appease the public point of views in whatever demographic they happen to be standing in at the moment. It's really sad that there isn't ANYONE worth voting for this time around. We're all screwed no matter what we do, it seems.

    What a terrible shame that it's come to this.
    Mithras234
  • Image...
    I find it sadly ironic that Hillary has been blaming Obama as being Elitist while Hillary has a deep and long history of "elite" aristocrat images such as the one here (taken from footage of the Democratic National Convention in 2004).

    Speak of 2004 -- Howard Dean originally bought up the disenfranchised members of society and how the Democratic Party needs to reach out to them... He too was tarred adn feathered for his statement. Odd that the point still stands - there is a bitter contingent of Americans out there that have seen nothing from the Bush or Clinton economic expansions. The government failed them in the 1980's and no one has won them back besides catering to their fears.
    jpfdeuce
  • I totally agree with AreOh, this is just another "lets divide the democrats" crap happening again.
    jubal
  • Where's JanForGore?
    LaWingman
  • I must bow to you crob80227 this is some of your best yet, you have rasied the bar and you will undoubtedly incur the wrath of blazeboy. That person will blaze you out. I really have little faith when it comes to all the candidates(some less than others)and even less in the partys that the media has decided to focus on. We can only hope that when the time comes the candidate wins and not the party I know ! That sounds crazy, some of you are saying! WHHAAAT? . Why is it called a party anyway?Libertarian party! Democratic party! Repulican party! Does it mean it's our turn now and you guys get to clean up when we are done? Can any of them remember what they said to get into office?,will that person do what they said they would? I really hate crap shoots. I want hear some real #'s from all the runners. Someone told me politics are hardball, and a big ego is needed, well politics have become a mudslinging brawl that clouds our minds and people make poor desicions with cloudy minds.
    ohplease
  • Leave it to an elitist to try and keep a brother down. Perhaps I am already too jaded, realizing that a vote for Hillary or John is a vote for Prescott Bush's Contunity Plan for World Domination.
    lifestudentno83
  • Yeah. That stuff about Hillary and guns really gets to me, too, because she's been so anti-guns her whole career. I just have to call her a bitch. Sorry.
    lapedro
  • well said, crob. well said. I wish that oh-so-true write-up could be put on every major news station for the next week. enough of this piddly shit. let's talk issues for the love of apple pie! Obama was completely right. people hate the Government. everyone in this entire country uses complaints about the gov't/taxes/gas prices as small talk! we're all just bitter assholes, partly apathetic because we believe the system is too powerful to change and partly pissed all the time because we're constantly taking it in the tailpipe. and we deserve better! we're Americans, we've got revolution in our blood! it's time to topple the system.
    thedismembermentplan
  • I'm with you, dismembermentplan. Now we just need the the other 300 billion other bitter Americans to storm Washington D.C. with us.
    lifestudentno83
  • "think I am starting to like Obama more because he was poorer and closer to myself; economically."

    What makes you believe this fantasy?

    What do we really know about Obama's youth?

    Living in Hawaii, grade school in Indonesia? Sounds real blue-collar.

    What do any of you know about Hillary Clinton's childhood? Her grandfather, like mine, worked in the textile mills. She married a son of a single mother who wasn't from privilege either.

    All this hatred and name-calling of Hillary Clinton and anyone else who doesn't despise her by Obama supporters is disturbing.

    If Obama is the right candidate, why do he and his supporters have to resort to name-calling, lies and personal attacks?
    TouchArt

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