That Crazy Cult: Five Misconceptions About Those "Weirdo Mormons"
- added April 16, 2008
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A lot of people hear bad things about the Mormon religions. They get misinformation. I just wanted to make a few things a bit clearer. Hope you enjoy. Love feedback and opinions.
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That's great. Thanks for the heads up.
I was in Salt Lake City late last year and was thoroughly impressed how neat and clean the city was. Very nice. I must say - it was much nicer and cleaner than any of the Texas towns I stopped in a few years back - ironically. -
Another perspective on the Mormon religion - besides the media spin dog one - and I'm not Mormon so it's not about me, I've no dog in this fight (so to speak) - but fairness.
Check out this post.-
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very good article. I'm glad that I actually read it because I was also guilty of believing all the information the media show about the fundamentalists were consistent with the entire Mormon church.
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wow, i'd never even heard of some of those myths =P
their culture is interesting if only because they've had such an interesting past too I guess ;D -
The only thing I gathered from this piece is that the Mormon religion is just like most other religions in that they have a belief in supernatural beings and/or forces.
The idea that anyone who considers themselves religious would judge another is just straight up retarded.
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ooo that's unexpectedly high-minded of you Neghie. I'm impressed.
and yet secularists (I'd call secularism ubiquitous enough a world view by today's standards) judge all the time pretentiously speaking well above the "religious"; often times vulgarly regarding them as backwards having absolutely no relevance or anything significant to offer society whatsoever, despite simple differences of opinion.
and how "retarded" would that make them I wonder????
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Love the sarcasm. At the very least, there is a true difference between a Secularist's views and those of religious faiths. When I was "religious" I found it seriously disconcerting how judgmental people of faith tended to be. I never judge those who believe in any religion. However, I will become that Ubiquitous Secularist who pretentiously and vulgarly talks down to anyone who presumes that because I do not believe, I am lost, which is the general consensus. If that makes me retarded, then so be it.
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and what? focused on differences, you'll find "true" differences *everywhere* you go, and though you choose it, you don't really need any general "religious consensus" as a crutch for that; so while you pretend to appreciate sarcasm, I find it's that petulant irony you afford yourself even disavowed (as 'Master of all retarding religions') that more sincerely keeps me smiling... =D so as you say it yourself...yes, then so it already is, so be it, and seemingly, to the utter disrespect of what should be more honest and understood differences among people, so shall you continue to be.
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'Master of all retarding religions'????!
My point still remains that no one of religious faith should be judging another because fundamentally, they all believe in some higher power.
"I find it's that petulant irony you afford yourself even disavowed (as 'Master of all retarding religions') that more sincerely keeps me smiling"
Dude seriously. I don't take myself that seriously. I used to think I was above everyone when I thought some supernatural being cared about the number of hairs on my head. You can rest assured that I am the "Master" of nothing but my own destiny. I don't look down on anyone who believes. I have a problem only with those who look down on me for not believing. You can believe in space ships for all I care. Just don't go judging others for believing in something else. I apologize if that makes me petulant.
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lol =D I thought you might find that phrase "interesting" hehe but...fun aside...to merely assume that all religions are so "lumply" fundamentally "the same" is just a severe oversimplification I'm sure that personally suits you (and that's fine), but rather too conveniently presupposes a tad bit "overly" much for me, as others I'm sure =D (hence my slight hehe); it seems as well it also underscores for me the better utility of respecting more 'honest differences'...even clearly religious ones.
Unfortunately, many religious people are practically considered and regarded to be 2nd class "retarded" or "judgmental" citizens when they simply hold a different set of values. Perhaps you might agree that although no one holds exactly the same world view, some are still certainly belittled in the free express of their views. (I mean some people even go so far as to complain that the 10 commandments "offend" them in a court room for some reason too, y'know? in stark contrast to the absence of a legitimate respect for the contribution even religious values make in society, I think *that's* so absolutely retarded.)
and... =D that could very well be part of the misconceptions and myths "problems" Moromons are having here too, distancing themselves and dispelling some "crazier" ideas about what they *really* stand for.
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How are religious people considered 2nd class citizens when they are the majority? Apparently, you've never experienced the stare from a room full of people who can't believe you would even question the existence of God out loud. They back away from you as if you're about get struck by lightening.
I was raised a Seventh-Day Adventist, a religion that is highly misunderstood, and most people haven't heard of. SDA's try to separate themselves in every way from most religions, but at the end of the day, the fundamentals are the same.
I agree as you've said "no one holds exactly the same world view, some are still certainly belittled in the free express of their views." Nothing rings more true for non-believers, so we tend just to be a little more than snippy. -
hmmm... and you've never heard of religious discrimination in the United States???
the propensity for it was thought to be a good reason to include a clause or two in the very First Amendment to the American U.S. Constitution... =D you've heard of that I'm sure, well; despite how badly our gov't tramples it every chance they get.
arguably the U.S. practices more of a "stick up ur a$$/freedom from religion" doctrine in public life, so there are at least a few issues where the religious are marginalized as much as humanly (or inhumanly) possible, merely discounted as being "religiously motivated" which isn't always true. how many threads do you read here where even Christians, once thought to be commonly accepted in America, are derided for their faith because some idiot wants to pretend he knows more about the faith than the one who more honestly and earnestly practices it? I see it all the time, even in matters where Christians may just be asking for a little propriety and honest consideration. Even that's hard to come by for many people. There's enough prejudice to go around I think most people will realize despite your apparent "incredulity."
and *sigh* to continue to assert that "the fundamentals" of all religions are all the relatively same is another post modernism piece of shite... again, it's just grossly oversimplified. Consider potential "outliers" from the range perhaps like Hinduism and Satanism if you have to go quite that far just to see more obvious differences... =D Or how about Jeffs' LDS vs Jesus' Christianity. =D It's like, just because you hold the idea that most motorized vehicles run on the same principles of gas combustion, doesn't mean every vehicle performs or even operates the same, or requires the same fuel; nor does it mean any or every mechanic will know what the hell to do any or every motor he encounters. Take mine...it's rotary, and there's probably little chance your mechanic may know what to even do with it...no matter how "snippy" he gets =D
I'm merely attempting to point out what I think should be obvious in that there are many highly idiosyncratic aspects to many things, even religion, and even the way any one person approaches it, that don't permit such a "simplistic" view for the sake of convenience, ignorance or whathaveyou... -
"Joseph Smith was a bloody looney. I should know."
- John, the Baptist.
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Dammit I wanted to hear about the good stuff. Those myths are really not all that interesting. A rational person could of figured all that stuff out. I want to know the good stuff.
Do morons really believe John Smith is a prophet?
Do Morons believe the serer stone story is true?
Do Morons believe that the American Indians are the decedents of Jews?
Do Morons believe that Utah is the holy land?
I think those are some of the things that are the real reason Morons catch so much flack, not their distain for cigarettes and coffee. Jehovah Witness already have that market on lock. What a let down. -
*yawn* ...well, case in point...this self-appointed
"moron crusader" Ricky84. Look at the total and obvious in-your-face disrespect. wow. Ricky participates like religious-bashing is a community sport...oh he's really "let down," and I bet there's some chance he carries his sorry a$$ attitude with him everywhere he goes as some needy confidence to himself...and presumptuously, stupidly, as if that was all there was to these people, or that faith. iono...It just seems there's no denying it's as "personal" to Ricky as Mormonism probably is to Mormons. Well, he better be right because if he's not, Ricky's in real danger for an identity crisis you'd think by the way he acts.
and I might believe huntre except that he quotes John the Baptist like he just heard from him yesterday...right before he cut off his head. huntre might have made a pretty good radical islamic, no? =) hehe (One day you may happen to notice that even your own prejudice for values is just as tolerated...even amongst your own family and friends. Don't fret, they really do accept you...just not as much as you think, and that's why you live in your OWN house =D uh...it is true you don't live with your parents, rrrright??? hehe)
of course they have the right to disagree with Mormonism but the comedic utter disdain =D is so self-righteous, I fear it smacks of the kind of prostletizing that would make even the most "religious" cringe. Such self-appointed entitlement! And I'm fairly confident there are things about each one of these guys we could all find personally pretty "g'dam" stupid, irritable and just rather "phuktop" even on much lesser ideas; but perhaps we shouldn't be too hasty to write them off as complete a$$z though they seem to invite it; and perhaps it shouldn't singularly define who they are if we're but willing to more objectively consider who they are *in whole*, or merely apart from that with which we rather specifically disagree.
just...a simple, better, given, "mustered" hehe respect for differences, in more favorably accepting world view disagreement. isn't that the kind of melting pot *diversity* that's "American" after all??? And well, after all, it used to be the United States was lauded for religious tolerance that just wasn't found in other parts of the world. tsk...but what do I know. =P -
Self righteous. Wow I’m far from self righteous. Echoz this is a discussion about the misconceptions people have about the Mormon faith. Exalted said he wanted feedback so I’m giving him feedback. The problem with the article is exactly the same as I stated before. Abstaining from caffeine, tobacco and liquor is a non issue there are plenty of people who are not Mormons who practice the same things. Polygamy, the issue of the bible and the secret working of people inside their temple, these are all things that a nonjudgmental person could figure out on their own. So therefore I posed the questions which like minded people and I really have for practicing Mormons.
If anyone is self righteous its You Echoz. You keep putting me in these fabricated situations and then blab on and on and on about how I’m so wrong and how I’m going to have an identify crisis. When did I disagree with the Mormon faith? When did I say that MY questions were the only thing that separated Mormons from the other denominations? Where did I say, “All you Mormons are idiots cause I hear that you guys think American Indians(which I am) are descendants of Jews?” Where do you find this stuff. Are you reading my mind, or…YOU’RE READING MY FUTURE Oh my god it’s so simple. You’re my personal John Smith! You figured out my angle without me having to say or do anything! Praise the lord! Jesus in his infinite wisdom has taken up a preemptive strike against my sins, and not only has he revealed my error through the majesty of your broken miss-spelled writing but he has erased it altogether from my immortal soul. I got to get out of here right now to go spread the word of Echoz. Chapter 1 verse 1 of the book of idiot......z -
LOL Ricky84. I had to stop even indulging the matter. But brace yourself. He'll come for you.
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When did you disagree with Mormons? Is that ALL you can do? hmm I'm not sure exactly. "So therefore I posed the questions...I really have for practicing Mormons." or was that "Morons"? I can't tell where you honest considerations lie...either in the a$$, or the whole.....z did you get that? =D
Good.
be sure and write that down in your book, and since you're so kind, make sure Neghie gets a copy =D
and then, yea...likewise, who gives a ph'k what you think. Thank god it's a 'free' country, right? ;) How "intolerable" I am, huh? =D you might think I was Mormon or something lol -
Damn I nailed that one didn't I? Again there you go making stuff up in your head. I never called Mormons intolerable. Did you say I said Mormons are intolerable? You’re so discombobulated that you’re not making sense. So no I didn’t get that. Go follow your own advice and leave me the hell alone. Next time you force me to waste my time I’m going to track you down, come to your house, jiggle sparkly keys in front your face and then throw them out in the middle of traffic. This isn‘t funny anymore.
“But it wasn’t Ricky who was laughing at Echoz, IT WAS GOD! Chapter 1 Verse 2 of the book of idiot………z -
If Joseph Smith lied and it was actually John Smith who started this mess in Jamestown...whoo-boy!
There's American religious history rewritten!
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Oh crap I have been saying John smith. Darn there goes my whole argument. Anyway still waiting on you Exhiled .
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Do morons really believe John Smith is a prophet?
Its Joseph Smith, but yes
Do Morons believe the serer stone story is true?
Seer stone, and yes.
Do Morons believe that the American Indians are the decedents of Jews?
Yes
Do Morons believe that Utah is the holy land?
No, Nauvoo Illinois is considered the holy land
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..interesting views! kinda skipped over the other stuff..but just wanted to answer the other questions..as mposs did..
buuuuuuut the last one
*do mormons believe that utah is the holy land?*
that would be a NO..nauvoo is not the holy land either..
we do know that the Holyland is Jeruselem..
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