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Polygamist children to have state care, DNA tests

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Hundreds of children who were removed from a polygamist ranch by Texas child welfare authorities will remain in state custody, a judge ruled Friday night. Judge Barbara Walther also ordered court DNA testing for all 416 children taken from the ranch to determine their biological parents.
Scott_Bromley

25 responses // Polygamist children to have state care, DNA tests

  • I hardly believe that living in a 'society' like this one is the normal, happy situation these people are claiming it is. Historically polygamists marry multiple girls - not women. I say girls because when they are married off - like nothing more then livestock - they are very young, often raped and that is just NOT a happy life and 100% NOT normal. I honestly hope that as a society we will protect these children. One option might be to return children to mothers who will divorce their spouse (if the marriage was ever legal) and move away with the children. I don't believe that the father should have any rights here, and the children should still be monitored by family services until adulthood. This would keep the foster care system from being flooded, and allow the children a start at a REAL normal childhood (as single parents are normal now). I'm not sure how many of these brainwashed women will have the strength of mind to make such a important decision for their children, but I would hope it would be most of them.
    Neurozool
  • This is so sad, and this is all happening in the "land of the free".

    I hope these kids get a better chance at life than returning to an endless cycle of incest and abuse.
    furryjenn
  • I'm glad the government steps in to save kids from this kind of situation. I've read about what happens in places like this. Polygamy is against the law for good reason (not just taxes).
    Karmacowboy
  • These poor children and young teens have not known much other than this life that they had. How traumatic it must be for them. Hopefully there is a process in place that has already started to deal with their grief and anger and fear.
    cibalin
  • Out of the fire and into the frying pan.

    Why leave the fathers out in the cold with this. Believe it or not, I'm sure many of them love their children and wives also.

    To have this happen must surely be a very traumatic experience - for the kids, the mothers and the fathers. This is the community they know.

    In my opinion, the best thing for society to do with them is not to break families apart completely - unless there is rape or something of that nature, but to draw them into the rest of society.

    I don't see foster homes and governmental bureaucracies as a better alternative - again, unless of course there was rape or something of that nature.

    Healing and transition will be fastest if there isn't unnecessary trauma - like having your family torn apart. I'd give them a time period and psychiatric counsel.

    You've got to wonder about the timing of this though; a nice way to distract Americans from the real issues which affect not just a few hundred people, but hundreds of millions of people - all of us.
    VoyagerFilms
  • VoyagerFilms - for these people, family consists of one man with many wives. Not "tearing their families apart" means accepting and condoning polygamy and forced marriages for girls as young as 12. Physical abuse of the children in this cult is systematic and meted out by both the fathers and the mothers, as the many traces of broken bones uncovered by medical examination of these children have shown.
    Vierotchka
  • this is very strang indeed....from the angle of the children who are being forced to live in a strange place without the albeit strange family structure that they are used to a sort of prison...living in a high school gymnasium...no parents to love them or protect them....i read that alot of the kids are getting sick from this and they have only each other to console one another.....the other thing that strikes me as sad is the fact that that type of lifestyle is all that they know...what happens to these kids in six months from now...do they get placed in an already over used foster care system...adopted....this will end badly no matter what...on another note it seems that the case against this chapter of the FLDS is not very strong...referring back to article the only evidence they have is a phone call from "sarah" and a list found in a safe during the search(which they would not have found)
    cheakywillie
  • Vierotchka - I don't want to condone child marriages either, but we don't have to inflict any more trauma or pain on these people than necessary.

    The marriages aren't valid as the law only allows one right? And, those marriages with the children not valid either I suspect. So, the issue is how to most therapeutically convert (if you will) the situation into a healthier one?

    But I must say, not knowing much about the situation, I haven't seen or read anything that suggests mass abuse or even broken bones but for what you've written yet, I am reluctant to condemn them wholesale as you are.
    VoyagerFilms
  • Cheakyville, according to what I read, there are dozens of women from their community with the children - they are there to look after them and console them.

    VoyagerFilms, it is not by allowing them all back to their community compound and environment that one will protect them - that very environment which has already traumatized them. Since bigamy (let alone polygamy) is against the law, the adults should be prosecuted for that. Also, it is not by allowing them all back that one has the slightest chance of "therapeutically convert" the women, either. Once they are all back in their territory, they will revert to their usual patterns of behaviour, it cannot be otherwise.
    Vierotchka
  • watch this comment being used here, here, here, here, here, and here
    VoyagerFIlms These people refused all but basic contact with the outside world, they homeschooled their children, didn't shop locally and isolated themselves. I hardly think they would accept any sort of "psychiatric counsel." I think their actions indicate how they feel about participating in society at large.

    Pulling a family apart is never easy. Having participated in the process, it is heart wrenching. These mothers and fathers will have their say in court, and a judge will make a decision, based on the best interest of the child. It is a well thought out process, and, when everyone participates as they should, reconciliation is often the result.

    Once the courts get involved, simply stamping your feet and saying "they're my children, I'm, their mother (or father) and I know what's best" goes nowhere. Just ask Britney.
    pattik
  • This type of life style as been around for so long, the metal brainwashing that has been done to these poor woman and children will take a long time to overcome. Getting those who are metal sheltered out of that type of mentality is going to be a tough one. Besides, whatever goes down through investigation, they are going to try and deny as much as they can. Do to fear.

    It’s horrible yet, at the same time I wonder what it is that we as a society are doing. Are we really helping the situation at all? Only now, when abuse and rap are being found are we opening our eyes.
    colorfulme
  • The children are what we should be thinking of first. Removing them from their mothers and fathers and putting them in state run homes or institutions is Not the answer. The way this is being done, treating these people like they are criminals does not set well with me. They are not criminals. They may be brainwashed into thinking what they are doing is normal.
    Most women I know have been raped. Starting as early as 12 years old, and 15 years old is more common. This problem needs to change world wide, not just in this cult. Men need to understand it is not sane to have sex with children. Dateline has brought to light the ways of men seeking youngsters for sex. It is not just in this cult.
    SNJ
    • SNJ
    • 4 months ago
  • An excerpt:

    A Houston child psychiatrist testified today in the custody hearing for 416 children from a polygamist sect that the group's sheltered environment makes members more immature than children in the outside world.

    Dr. Bruce Perry said the adherence by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to underage marriage and underage sex puts all children at risk.

    "I think that young girls — 14, 15, 16 (years) — are not mature enough to consent to a marriage," Perry said, testifying for the state of Texas.

    Raised in a highly authoritarian culture, girls grew up believing that marrying early and having multiple children was their only option, Perry said. Boys grew up to perpetuate the abuse. Perry said he found even adults to be much less mature and less capable of making their own decisions.

    "We found these children grow up to be 10, but they have the thinking patterns of a much younger child," he said.
    Vierotchka
  • Wow, that’s so sad. It's amazing how are minds are capable of doing so much yet so easily manipulated.

    I hope this ends well.

    -Thanks Vierotchka
    colorfulme
  • I think we should lock em all up in their "COMPOUND" and then burn it down with banned chemical weapon cs-gas, and shoot anyone that runs out the back. Oh wait, we already did that-and with about the same evidence of a crime.

    Okay Brawndo drinkers, WHAT EVIDENCE EXISTS OF RAPE OR CHILD ABUSE????????????

    Officials still haven't found original caller "sarah" but did arrest someone in colorado for false reporting!!!!
    DBCOOPER
  • These mothers don't look particularly devastated, upset, or unhappy, don't you think?
    Vierotchka
  • Excerpt:

    Several mothers were called by their attorneys to the witness stand late Friday and told the judge they would not let their daughters get married before the age of 18. The state contends that girls as young as 13 or 14 have been forced into marrying older men at the compound owned by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

    “I want to protect her,” said Merilyn Jeffs, 29.

    She testified that she has two sisters on the ranch who are 18 and 19 and are married with children around 1 or 2. She said she did not know how old they were when they married.

    Maureen Jessop, 25, said she married at 18, which she now believes may have been too young.

    “Sometimes I felt immature at 18,” she said.

    But, a child psychiatrist who worked with children of the Branch Davidian compound in Waco testified earlier that the kids in the polygamist Yearning For Zion Ranch were in danger of growing up with underdeveloped brains that would leave them unprepared for the outside world.

    Dr. Bruce Perry, said that among the risks the ranch children face is an inability to develop healthy relationships or to make their own decisions — resulting in, for example, 15-year-olds with the emotional capacities of six-year-olds.

    “That makes them highly vulnerable to individuals who would exploit this child-like quality,” Dr. Perry said.

    His testimony was intended to support the state’s arguments that the overall environment on the ranch is unhealthy and even dangerous to all the children, not just a few girls who may have been sexually abused

    In many ways, he said, the environment the children live in is healthy, the mothers appear to be loving, the boys are happy, he said, "but there are parts of what they do that are very destructive."
    Vierotchka
  • Oy vey what is it with Texas? They need some fresh air.
    SelmaA
  • Vierotchka
  • Once again, Where is the evidence of rape, abuse, or any crime???????? "The state contends", "Doctor Bruce Perry said", some people in arizona did something. This may be enough evidence for some people to kick down doors and forcibly separate families but not me or the 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments to the united states Constitution.
    Don't get me wrong though, I think people with different beliefs, appearance, skin color ect., don't deserve due process. I've been saying for years the Gingers are up to something.
    DBCOOPER
  • watch this comment being used here and here
    I have not heard of any actual abuse of the children in this group. Perhaps it excaped me but, I have not heard of any. I HAVE heard a lot of allegations by the state of Texas but nothing else. Now it seems that the entire raid was precipitated by an anonymous tip which seems to be a lie.
    Personally I have no problems with a polygamist group. If everyone in the group wants to live that way why should anyone else have a say? The concept of "I don't like so you can't do" is beyond me.
    I noticed that the media is beginning to refer to these people as a "cult". I guess the use of the negatives will make the governments actions seem ok rather than an invasion. The use of APC's, M-16's and full body armor to invade the compound while the people were singing and praying is a little over the top. The compound member probably thought they were going to be made victims just like the Branch Davidians were.
    I don't see where any justice has been done by destroying families and placing children in foster homes. The state of Texas should be ashamed of it's tyrannical behavior. Proof of the Japanese adage that the nail that sticks up gets hammered down. When will we fight back?????
    Paratus
  • OK - first a disclaimer - I know nothing about what goes on with this particular sect/group and whether any abuses have happened but what strikes me is how often the 'right thinking' Christians of America (which includes it's government) break up cults/new religions in America with often the same claims of abuse etc. From my perspective, for the so called 'Land of the Free' where people can follow their own beliefs they seem to have a pretty narrow spectrum on what those beliefs should be. Maybe they should be saying something closer to 'Free to follow your own beliefs/religion as long as it does not look strange to us Christian folk'. Maybe they were right this time to move in and break it up but my experience from the governments past history with dealing with groups that have gone their own way does make me trust them so easilly on this one.
    Merge9
  • Paratus, Could not have said it better myself. Where are the broken bones? Where is the caller? Actually we know who the caller was, it was a black lady named Rozita Swinton. A hoax. Uh, can the Mothers now have their children back? Uh, please. Where is the outrage from the parents across America? Reminds me of when the Germans let Hitler round up the Jews.
    dabne
  • I know that women from this culture does not utilize computers but if they did, it would be nice to read what they have to say.

    So if they find out that the parents age range from 14 (women) and 50 (men). Would they charge the man with statutory rape as we would in our culture.
    cheche_201
  • In cases of polygamy in other situations, there has been evidence of sexual and physical abuse. Girls are "trained" early on to be wives even by their own fathers. I can't support a group that forces girls to breed at an early age and I suspect they'll find evidence of physical abuse as well.
    dbocaz

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