Water needed to produce various types of energy
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Hello, All -- Although the cost efficient, energy efficient compact fluorescent light bulb (CFL) has been on the global market for over a decade, the mass of people are unable or unwilling to take what should be an obvious step of saving money by purchasing new technology. This is why state and national governments -- including the USA -- have needed to create extraordinary legislative mandates to phase out or ban the further use of inefficient, wasteful, old technology incandescent lights.
Researchers at Virginia Tech have now provided water-use information tied to old technology and new technology light bulbs that should be of value as a selling point for efficient lighting, particularly in water-short regions like our American Southwest.
A 60-watt incandescent light bulb, burning for 12 hours per day per year, requires between 3,000 and 6,000 gallons of water at the ("conventional") power plant that produces the electricity to power the bulb. Substituting a CFL with the equivalent light output (in this case, a 13-watt CFL) would save 2,000 to 4,000 gallons of water per year.
The researchers conclude that the equivalent of one 60-watt incandescent light bulb burning for 12 hours per day in the approximately 111 million USA homes results in water usage as high as 655 billion gallons of water a year.
The article treats 11 types of energy sources, including coal, fuel ethanol, natural gas, and oil; and five power generating methods, including hydroelectric, fossil fuel thermoelectric, and nuclear methods.
However, the article does not mention wind and solar photovoltaic power arrays that require virtually no water.
The 11 types of energy sources mentioned in the article require significant amounts of water, as well as a water-supply infrastructure. Some sample numbers from other sources show the following:
Nuclear (> 800 gallons), coal (> 750 gallons), biofuels (approx. 750 gallons), and natural gas (> 600 gallons) power plants require about 600 to 800 gallons of water for every megawatt hour of energy produced. IGCC and Combined Cycle power plants require about 200 gallons of water for every megawatt hour of energy produced. Concentrated solar thermal power plants (where solar reflectors heat liquids to run turbines) require about 750 gallons of water per megawatt hour of energy produced. [Note that concentrated solar thermal power is very different from solar photovoltaic power.] The water consumption figures in this paragraph mainly represent cooling water that is evaporated into the atmosphere as steam.
By comparison, solar photovoltaic (PV) and wind power require no water.
The American West is a water-short region where scientists and water managers are already looking at 20 percent reductions in water supply over the 21st century due to the drought impacts of climate change.
-- Bill Brown
Taos, New Mexico
www.nmglobalwarming.org
from TouchArt.net and OneEarthBlog for earth day is everyday.
Researchers at Virginia Tech have now provided water-use information tied to old technology and new technology light bulbs that should be of value as a selling point for efficient lighting, particularly in water-short regions like our American Southwest.
A 60-watt incandescent light bulb, burning for 12 hours per day per year, requires between 3,000 and 6,000 gallons of water at the ("conventional") power plant that produces the electricity to power the bulb. Substituting a CFL with the equivalent light output (in this case, a 13-watt CFL) would save 2,000 to 4,000 gallons of water per year.
The researchers conclude that the equivalent of one 60-watt incandescent light bulb burning for 12 hours per day in the approximately 111 million USA homes results in water usage as high as 655 billion gallons of water a year.
The article treats 11 types of energy sources, including coal, fuel ethanol, natural gas, and oil; and five power generating methods, including hydroelectric, fossil fuel thermoelectric, and nuclear methods.
However, the article does not mention wind and solar photovoltaic power arrays that require virtually no water.
The 11 types of energy sources mentioned in the article require significant amounts of water, as well as a water-supply infrastructure. Some sample numbers from other sources show the following:
Nuclear (> 800 gallons), coal (> 750 gallons), biofuels (approx. 750 gallons), and natural gas (> 600 gallons) power plants require about 600 to 800 gallons of water for every megawatt hour of energy produced. IGCC and Combined Cycle power plants require about 200 gallons of water for every megawatt hour of energy produced. Concentrated solar thermal power plants (where solar reflectors heat liquids to run turbines) require about 750 gallons of water per megawatt hour of energy produced. [Note that concentrated solar thermal power is very different from solar photovoltaic power.] The water consumption figures in this paragraph mainly represent cooling water that is evaporated into the atmosphere as steam.
By comparison, solar photovoltaic (PV) and wind power require no water.
The American West is a water-short region where scientists and water managers are already looking at 20 percent reductions in water supply over the 21st century due to the drought impacts of climate change.
-- Bill Brown
Taos, New Mexico
www.nmglobalwarming.org
from TouchArt.net and OneEarthBlog for earth day is everyday.
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very interesting stuff. You have been providing some great info and links to this website. Thanks and keep up the great work.
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Thanks, twodee. Ditto for you guys.
Love the earthship info and videos you posted like the one about the earthship homes in Taos.
Thank you for your good work.
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The bottle, can and tire walls are beautiful.
What a sustainable way to recycle and
provide housing.
How can we get this solution working in our rural, tribal and urban communities?
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TouchArt, I think you'll appreciate this one too:
http://current.com/items/85280691_this_glass_house-
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- Vierotchka
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The problem isn't the type of lightbulb, it's how it's used. People need to cut down on energy useage. It doesn't matter what type of lightbulb your using if your leaving the light on needlessly. In fact the CFL lightbulbs are far more environmentally damaging if broken. I don't know about you but I occasionally break bulbs, and the thought of poisoning my apartment with mercury vapor isn't appealling. I'm sure there a bunch of corporate friendly reports saying how the vapor isn't dangerous, but there are far too many people saying the opposite. Look at the profit margins on a CFL versus incandescent and you'll see why there's a big push to replace all the lightbulbs in America and beyond.
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I live off grid and make most of my electricty from PV. I use about a gallon of water every two months to top off my batteries but compared to other forms of power generation, PV rocks it!
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- filmcartel
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hey filmcartel, you say "most" of your energy from PV.....do you also have wind turbine for energy? if so, what are you using for that? PV ROCKS!
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Thanks for sharing this video.
It is inspiring.
It is brilliant to recycle bottles for solid, aesthetic homes for the poor.
It is my dream to help get this going here in New Mexico and elsewhere.
How can we get plans and instructions to share this info with our rural, tribal and urban communities?
Let's make it happen.
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Bottle houses have been around for over a hundred years.
Miners in Colorado and elsewhere in the Rockies built bottle walls to use the bottles without washing since water was more costly than gold in the late 1800s in the West.
In the 1950s the beer magnate Alfred Heineken, came up with the idea for Heineken Beer Bottle Bricks when he saw the dire need for safe housing in Jamaica.
It's time we reclaim this technology and set up bottle gathering spots in each community and begin workshops to teach and spread this smart green building technology for the 21st century.
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filmcartel and twodee - please excuse my ignorance, but what on earth is PV?
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- Vierotchka
- 2 months ago
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PV = photovoltaic.
This is the process of extracting electrons from the energy of the sun as apposed to thermal solar which captures heat energy to warm water and buildings.
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- filmcartel
- 2 months ago
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This is a video we made over a year ago about solar PV.
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PV [photovoltaic] aka solar cells...[PV] represents the rebranding of a soon-to-be obselete technology....a fancy word for people who have absolutely zero engineering or scientific understanding of the complexities and shortcomings of solar technology.
water infrastructure is an entirely different issue which needs to be dealt with equally....but convoluting water and energy problems is a PR tactic used to confuse consumers.
Solar energy has its uses ... but running the world isnt one of them. Solar energy has always and will always provide some fraction of the worlds energy budget. By and large, that fraction has been on a steady decline for decades. Because it is neither efficient nor sustainable.
Not one net watthour of conventional silicon pv [photovoltaic, solar panel] energy has ever been generated.
Nor is any EVER likely to be.
When properly full burden accounted on the TOTAL systems level.
The entire PV industry is a scam and a horrific net energy sink.
5 grams of hydrogen produces about 700 thousand
joules of energy..
H it is the most abundant element in the universe.....this and nuclear energy are the only safe solutions that can meet 21st century demands.,,and transform modes of production..
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/research/376034...
http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmView...
the scientists, engineers and the real world is building the foundations for a hydrogen economy...
while the earth ships sail away to LaLa land on their solar sails....LOL -
Thanks - I do know what photovoltaic means, I simply wasn't familiar with the acronym and was searching my brains for two words that fit it. :)
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- Vierotchka
- 2 months ago
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AH...LOL.. along the way we often here the ill-informed rantings of people like smorrisey. That just comes with the growing pains. The good thing is we all know how to get real information now with the handy use of those internets.
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"The entire PV industry is a scam and a horrific net energy sink.
5 grams of hydrogen produces about 700 thousand
joules of energy..
H it is the most abundant element in the universe.....this and nuclear energy are the only safe solutions that can meet 21st century demands.,,and transform modes of production.. "
I find this above comment to be somewhat ridiculous. Hydrogen shows promise but is a long way off from being practical for end users. Nuclear energy was designed, marketed and funded by the Government. It would have never survived past the weapons stage without tremendous subsidies it now receives. The solar industry seems to be growing on its own despite a lack of subsidies that oil, gas and nukes receive. It works on my roof almost everyday thereby reducing my personal burning of fossil fuels. How can that system be a scam? I'm using computers and the internet powered from my "scam energy system" right now!
Open you mind, use less energy and tap into all the resources that exist. The biggest being the free glowing ball in the sky!
Give the Sun a chance before all your other systems block it out and we are no longer able to harvest this endless resource!
I don't need to be an engineer to see that power made locally is always better than destroying other communities raping the earth of dirty coal and polluting the environment.
When I can afford to install a hydrogen system for my house and transport needs, then I'll do it!-
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- filmcartel
- 2 months ago
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Not necessarily so, smorrisey, especially taking into account the Swiss invention - nanocrystalline dye-sensitized solar cells. Applied to glass (window panes), this dye can produce a vast amount of electricity.
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- Vierotchka
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Touche Twodee and filcartel and thanks for the informative discussion and knowledge.
"this and nuclear energy are the only safe solutions that can meet 21st century demands.,,and transform modes of production.. "
This statement is the favorite lie of the nuclear energy industry. NEI - Nuclear Energy Institute is spending big dollars to advertise on major news outlets about how nuclear energy is good for the earth.
Don't believe it.
Hear what uranium mining did to the Navajo people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNkDr-z0a3E
Write your congress people and let them know you don't believe the lies about nuclear energy being safe.
They hear everyday from nuclear energy industry lobbyists.
They need to hear what mothers and fathers think about exposing their children and unborn generations to the dangers of radiation.
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Navajos around uranium mines have birth defect rates 2 - 8 times above the national average.
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thanks for the info! Good stuff! And a welcome inclusion from Touchart.
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- SamuraiDave
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Getting back to compact fluorescents...I am very concerned about the mercury content of those bulbs. Once I realized they contain mercury and need to be disposed of properly (...where?? and will people notice this???) I stopped buying them. I'm recovering from a high mercury level and the associated health effects so would like to see an analysis of mercury added to air/water/earth from electric generating plants for old technology vs improperly disposed of compact fluorescents adding mercury to the air/water/earth.
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Bri_Z, yes it is frustrating. You may want to look into LED bulbs. www.realgoods.com has a $45 light that puts out about as much as a 60 bulb for 3 watts. 60,000 hours of life in the bulb. I could not link to the bulbs on their website but I see them here in the catalogue in front of me.
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