Senior Obama adviser: Obama will "take Fox on" in appearance this Sunday
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A senior Obama adviser vows that he will "take Fox on" when he appears on the network this Sunday, though it's unclear yet just how.
Obama's decision to go on Fox News has prompted a lot of discussion about the Illinois Senator's relationship with Rupert Murdoch and whether Obama is trying to "court" the media mogul in advance of the general election.
It's also been met with some dismay in the blogosphere, where folks had worked hard to push Dems to boycott Fox as a way of snuffing out whatever is left of the network's credibility.
But how do Obama and his advisers view this? What do they have to say about it?
The senior Obama adviser insists that Obama is under no illusions about Fox and what it represents, and that this isn't about courtship at all, and vows a confrontational approach on Sunday.
Obama's decision to go on Fox News has prompted a lot of discussion about the Illinois Senator's relationship with Rupert Murdoch and whether Obama is trying to "court" the media mogul in advance of the general election.
It's also been met with some dismay in the blogosphere, where folks had worked hard to push Dems to boycott Fox as a way of snuffing out whatever is left of the network's credibility.
But how do Obama and his advisers view this? What do they have to say about it?
The senior Obama adviser insists that Obama is under no illusions about Fox and what it represents, and that this isn't about courtship at all, and vows a confrontational approach on Sunday.
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Oh man, I can't wait to see this! If it goes well for him, that'll be huge. And I have a feeling I'm going to like what he has to say.
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- Phonoballoons
- 2 months ago
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I share the concern Rage - depends on who interviews him and I have to believe he wouldn't do it if he didn't intend to come out on top, but Fox doesn't play fair, no doubt about that.
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Good luck, Obama! His supporters need to be ready to protest massively and boycott Fixed News' advertisers if they do not play fair.
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- phoenix_fire999
- 2 months ago
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oh no.
is this the right thing to do?
those fox people....
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- stephenthomson
- 2 months ago
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Well Fox news, at first hasn't reported on things that could have made Obama look bad in the start of the campaign. Why would that be? Now, on the other hand, they pick at any detail they can and it is unthinkable for them to vote Obama. It is widely believed that Obama would win the democratic primaries (of corse the question is still up)
Could it be that the network run by K. Rupert Murdoch would do something the right-wing conservative might want, and play a little game to ensure a Repulican in office? -
Man, my parents are, unfortunately, Fox News watchers... and actually I'm pretty sure thats the only news they get anymore....you can imagine the icey dinner conversations that have gone down at my place!
I'm tellin you this cause in my experience it doesn't matter how well the guest represents themselves on that channel. These people are watching it for a reason and they won't agree with anything Obama says and they'll eat up all the crap that gets shoveled in his direction...
I wish he wouldn't have gone on the channel. I agree that the best thing to do is boycott it to discredit it as a "news" source. However, I believe in him and his decision; he is determined to speak to both sides and "bridge the gap"...
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It might work.
Remember, Obama is the master of exposing bullshit.
After Rev. Wright's comment in a speech were broadcast in a media orgasm, Obama was expected to hang his head in shame, personally punch Rev. Wright in the mouth and then burn down his church to prove he was "sorry" for the comments the Rev. made while Obama was away in Washington being a Senator.
Obama turned that bullshit news story on its ear and his speech made him the candidate that brought substance to the table -- much more so than old-school bullshit artists, er, I mean "seasoned politicians" like Hillary "Reject AND Denounce!" Clinton traditionally have.
Obama's brilliant speech on race relations forged a new middle ground of common sense on that formally taboo subject. It was in many respects a game-changer. (insert picture of Hillary fuming with rage. Grrrr)
Can the cerebral assassin Obama pull off the same trick by exposing the phony "journalism" of Fox News? Could he simply use their own low brow ham-fisted attacks in a new stump speech that will unite America behind him even more? Could Obama actually turn the tables on the media and shift the balance of power?
I suspect he has the brilliant mind necessary to make it happen.
Do the Hillary-supporters think she could pull of the same game-changing maneuver?
What? Say again? Type louder! I can't hear you over the sniper fire!
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LOL, crob! That was funny. ;)
I hope you're right. I hope Obama knows what he's doing going on Fixed News. But he's proven himself to be a game changer. I guess we'll see very shortly what he has planned. -
We forget that we are all one nation of Americans. And a lot of those Americans watch Fox news. If Obama can go on that channel and somehow reach *those* people (naturally, not those of us on Current News, but those who watch Fox News) then maybe he has a shot at winning the hearts and minds of more Americans than McCain. I will cross my fingers and watch the results on YouTube.
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- Julie_Soller
- 2 months ago
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take them on...They love him...HAHA more free publicity from fox news FOR SENATOR OBAMA...
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I hope you're right crob.
I suspect he will make his appearance in a positive friendly manner.
But those fox people are going to try to turn him sour, and they're pretty good at doing that to other people. they've perfected the art of turning promising discussion into oblivious name calling.
I dont believe in the Lord Almighty, but I might just pray for this one.
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It's a high stakes gamble on who can spin it better. Fox has the power of the editorial control and they can make it look just like Stephen Colbert's edit challenge if they want to. It depends on how skillfull they are and packing the message they want to pass on.
But the dangerous gamble is If Obama can expose that packaging to unify the people against Fox and gain sympathy for himself. It dpeends on how effectively he can get that message out.
Obama can speak as eloquently and as thruthfully as he likes but it wouldn't make a difference since Fox wouldn't be interested in that so it comes down to who can play the stratgey game better.
It's all about ratings for Fox and about reaching a wider audience for Obama. I'm not sure who would be better able to get their message out more effectively.
It's pretty much a crapshoot on Obama's part, since Fox is pretty much guarateed to get ratings out of it, but Obama can't be sure that the audience he reaches will believe him. Even gathering support for himself as a victim of Fox's bias is a risky move not certain to work.
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I don't think Obama plans on "looking good" on Fox News. He probably knows he's walking into a rigged game.
In fact, it may even be a part of his strategy!
Considering the calculated moves Obama has made at every stage of the this campaign, I don't believe his appearance on FOX news is a last minute decision. He's in the lead. Hillary can't win. He has absolutely no reason whatsoever to do this. It suggests he has other ideas than just trying to scare up a couple votes from Fox News viewers.
We all know how Fox "interviews" people (and I use that word loosely) and surely Obama must know that as well.
The very fact that we can assume Obama has a plan is why I like this guy so much! Obama isn't just book smart, but street smart. In my view scary smart. (When was the last time we had that?)
Look at Kerry. If it were Sen. Kerry going on Fox News (during his election bid) we'd all be shitting our pants because (eye roll) the guy just didn't get it. Nice guy, yes, but he just didn't get how to work the media or how to reach the people. Fox beat the hell out of Kerry because he didn't get it.
Obama does.
It's kind of like watching Sugar Ray Leonard boxing Mike Tyson. At first it seems really mismatched. Sure the media has the raw, brute power of a young Iron Mike Tyson -- but I think Obama has mastered the sweet science and I think he alone among the 3 Presidential candidates has the footwork, speed and strategy to knock Fox News out.
Or he could just get his ass kicked.
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Do we know what time he'll be coming on? I really dont want to have to watch Fox all day long just to catch the snippet.
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- stephenthomson
- 2 months ago
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keep a knife by the bed and sleep with your enemies...surely FOX won't go too far. They must realize the inherent risk in pissing of someone who stands a very good chance to be our next president.
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Good luck to him, sometimes the Fox people are way too narrow minded
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No publicity is bad publicity.
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It's sure to be both on YouTube and on here so you don't have to watch Fox.
The saying "There is no such thing as bad publicity" doesn't seem to apply so much anymore, just ask Michael Dukasis and Howard Dean. -
What OBAMA should say:
Look, I am smart. Most of the people who still watch fox other than for amusement are partially retarded. Just repeat the same happy horseshit as Hillary. I love everybody. BLA BLAH BLAH.
The fox sheep will be happy. zzzzzzzzzzzz
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- goolkasian
- 2 months ago
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I'm with crob...I have faith in the man. I think he's going to do great. And as far as motivations go, I think this is all part of being the nominee. He's won the nomination even if some people haven't yet come to terms with it. There's nothing he can do about that, so he's moving on with his plan which is to start running for the general. He intends on being the president for ALL Americans (he's said that many times), what better way than to go on a channel that unfortunately many people who haven't heard his message watch (my parents among them). Simple as that.
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I'm glad he's going into the lion's den. At the very least, all of Fox News' misinformed viewers will get to see that he doesn't, in fact, wear a turban or carry a copy of the Qur'an.
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"There will be blood."
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Its a BAD MOVE. No matter how much he takes it to them, they're the ones who have the last word and get to replay everything he says out of context, and edited to thier convinience. Obama is committing hara-kiri. Why does he have to take them on, his blacking them out strategy was working fine. I had hoped he'd become president and not allow them in the white house pressroom. THAT'S the way to do this.
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well after a little retrospect...if the stats are anywhere near accurate about the FOX viewership, Senator Obama's appearance won't really change their way of thinking unless O'Reilly say it should. The sheep will follow whatever FOX says because they think it's the truth. BUT, the good news is they are not the base or even near the base of the Senator's constituency. Nothing to lose here. These FOX viewership was never going to vote dem. He can win or piss them off, but he really doesn't have any vote to lose in that crowd, does he?
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This is far from "intresting" when it is in the news every single day for a year now. I wish 'em all luck.
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Jehansam.... at first I thought that too. but now I think it might actually be a brilliant move. What better a way to unite all Democrats than to slay - or attempt to slay - the beast that is Fox. Whether he comes out on top or they tear him to shreds, he will win the sympathy of all Dems. maybe?
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Maybe it is his payment to Rupert Murdoch's daughter since she gave him a fundraiser to raise lots of money for him. Too bad he didnt say anything about FOX when there was going to be a debate on FOX and John Edwards was the only one to say he wouldn't go. Again, pandering to the moment just like all politicians. And of course by his 'advisor' saying this FOX's ratings Sunday will actually go up because all his followers will now watch him. If he wants to stand up to FOX and the media in general then state what he is going to do to end the media monopoly in this country on the whole. And that can be said without going on FOX. But then that wouldn't get nearly as much publicity for him. I'm sure his friend Joe Lieberman approves.
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- JanforGore
- 2 months ago
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No double standard here, right?
And is it just a coincidence that this fundraiser is the day after he is appearing on FOX? I think not. So does the amount of $$$$$$$$$$$$ raised at this fundraiser by Murdoch's daughter depend on how much he beats up on her daddy tomorrow? And please, don't go on to me about Hillary Clinton and Murdoch. I know it all too well and don't like it either, but surely think there is a double standard when it comes to others going on FOX. They are all 'warriors" and she is a Republican plant. I say any Democrat who goes on FOX to raise their ratings especially if it is to raise money for themselves is nothing more than a political player feeding into the rhetoric.-
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- JanforGore
- 2 months ago
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There is only one slight flaw in that analysis Jan (he said putting on his Sherlock Holmes hat).
You say Obama is only going on Fox News as some sort of quid pro quo for a fund raiser -- in other words Fox basically helped him raise money for his campaign and in exchange he agreed to appear on Fox to boost their ratings.
The only problem with that theory is that Obama's campaign had more money than God prior to that fundrasier! It's like give Bill Gates an extra $50 bucks -- doubtful that it would have much impact.
Now had this been the Hillary campaign (which is in debt and starved for money) then, yes, that would seem like a clear motive. She is desperate for money and willing to make a deal with Fox in order to get cash. Or even McCain who is also starved for cash -- that would also be a good motive.
But Obama has more money then either Hillary or McCain put together.
Obama is the defacto nominee at this moment. He is so far ahead that HIllary basically can't catch up. He has a ton of good media publicity (you yourself would admit that). He's got the lead, he's got the good press and he's got so much money he can't even spend it all.
So why go on Fox? What's the motive?
I still say that it has to be a apart of a broader strategy -- since it isn't about money or trying to scare up a couple of extra votes, it must be about something else.
Somehow or another we're going to see Obama use whatever happens to him on Fox (good or bad) as apart of a new stump speech and a new angle on his campaign. How exactly he'll use that appearance as part of a broader campaign strategy remains to be seen (but I can't wait to see it!) I may be wrong, but I just cannot believe that Obama is going on Fox News as a part of a last minute whim or because his campaign is so starved for money that he had to make a deal with the devil. No, there's something else going on here. -
Of course he has more money than 'God.' He's just a typical politician playing the game. He may as you say not be starved for money because he is just as into this political process as McCain or Clinton, but of course, wielding favor with the daughter of Murdoch who may inherit his empire is tempting, no? It sure isn't because he had an attack of conscience. He was going to debate on FOX until it was cancelled because John Edwards said he wasn't going. So to assign some sort of noble reason for this is to me disingenuous. But that's politics.
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- JanforGore
- 2 months ago
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Obama is going on fox because.....he is Obama. He said from the start that he would meet with the enemy. And all of his opponents said they would have to "pre-qualify" the meetings with the enemy to make sure the credibility of America wouldn't be damaged by the talks. But Obama said that you always get a dialog going with the enemy, regardless of the risk.
I don't know how he got to be that way, but Obama is apparently, fearless! And.....I am finding out that the other candidates are apparently very fearful. And I don't have to tell you who needs to be the commander in chief. Its the fearless one! -
I think giving any credibility to FOX News is a bad thing. They are flat out a propaganda network.
Brave New Films is going out with this video today. -
pandering a political player feeding into the rhetoric. just a typical politician playing the game. he is just as into this political process, wielding favor, disingenuous. But that's politics. Oh gosh what do I do now? There is no one good enough to vote for.
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- Marilynn_Murray
- 2 months ago
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Jan, I think that may be a bit of a stretch.
If Obama went on Fox wearing a flannel shirt, driving a monster truck (with a Toby Keith CD blaring on the stereo) and sporting a shotgun over his shoulder -- all in a cynical attempt to appeal to Fox and their viewers -- I would agree with you that such a stunt would be typical politics.
But I don't think he'll do that.
Fox News is a major player (like Iran in the Middle East) and ignoring them fully isn't a sound strategy. If he can somehow use Fox to his advantage, that's a good thing.
Pres. Bush has decided that he is too "good" to sully his hands speaking with the pagans in Iran -- and that is continuing to hurt us and slowing our ability to withdraw from Iraq. At some point Iran is going to play a role in our Iraq endgame whether we like it or not. We can either help guide the process or simply give them the cold shoulder until it's too late and we're in a weaker position to negotiate terms.
The same could be said of Fox News. Like it or not they will play some role in the upcoming campaign and it might be wise to start engaging the enemy now (to test their abilities if nothing else) then wait until it's too late.
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Slowdive - maybe this isn't giving credibility to Fox but refusing to ignore what they stand for. Ignoring them is one tact, facing them in opposition is another. When I really think about it, it makes me angry that I'm conditioned by O'Reilly types to "fear" what might happen by going up against a hateful, Enquirer type right wing network.
